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The whole "toilet seat up, toilet seat down" gender debate could be solved by everybody putting the seat and lid down.

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Quilotoa@lemmy.ca⁩ to ⁨showerthoughts@lemmy.world⁩

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  • DeepThought42@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    That’s precisely how the debate between myself any my SO was finally ended. The seat stays down now unless in use.

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    • SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Where is the dog supposed to get a drink from?

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      • chisel@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        My dog drinks just fine from the creek on the farm he ran off to when I was 7.

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      • Hawke@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        The toilet, since the seat doesn’t block animal access.

        I’d be worried about drips from the dog though.

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  • SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I e been doing it since I was 8. "Courtesy,"Google it.

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  • oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    This is not a gender thing.

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    • YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It damn well shouldn’t be. But there are dudes who won’t even wipe they own ass cause they’re afraid to catch the gay.

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      • oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Literally everybody is missing the point that’s it’s a sex problem, not gender. So many whooshes in here.

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    • blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      You’re right. It’s a “people who listen” vs “people who don’t listen” thing.

      It just so happens that on average, women are much better at listening than men.

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      • Hupf@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        And they won’t shut up about it⸮

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      • Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        This argument requires you to presume that a certain position is already right, and then commands you to conform to that position. It isn’t an argument, it’s an imposition.

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    • minorkeys@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Or course it is, not exclusively, but largely and often.

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      • oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        You’re missing the point. It’s a back and forth between sexes, not a gender thing.

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  • superweeniehutjrs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yeah, I don’t want splash water getting anywhere else than the bowl. Also, what if I accidentally fumble something and drop it in the water. Even if there weren’t a lid, I’d put the seat down in case of a level 10 emergency

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  • blackn1ght@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I dunno why people care what position the seat & lid are in. It takes like 1 second to put it into the required configuration.

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    • FosterMolasses@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It’s an argument of gender power dynamics, ie. who is the one to be expected to adjust the seat and who gets to enjoy it as is. That’s what these silly sort of things always come down to.

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    • facelessbs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      When you flush the lid should closed so urine and fecal particles don’t become airborne.

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      • FishFace@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        They still become airborne. Someone else has been posting a link to an article which found no significant difference in floor contamination regardless of lid position.

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  • FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It could also be solved by everybody putting the seat and lid up. This will be an eternal debate.

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  • dontsayaword@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Most toilet visits require the seat down
    Lid closed when flushing prevents contamination particles spraying everywhere

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    • jdnewmil@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Easy if you make assertions without citations. The lid appears not to be effective at spreading contamination. www.ajicjournal.org/article/…/fulltext

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      • dontsayaword@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Well dang. Reading this article does provide q couple more details though:
        * Another referenced study DID find that closing the lid reduced contamination
        * It depends on the toilet shape
        * Closing the lid does change the areas that get contaminated in the room:
        https://www.ajicjournal.org/cms/10.1016/j.ajic.2023.11.020/asset/171d40ff-18ca-4d0c-9897-5d94d0282ebd/main.assets/gr3.jpg

        All in all (including my first point that most trips require it down anyway) and as a matter of personal preference (I think its nicer to have the lid closed), I’ll continue to close my lid.

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      • tburkhol@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Are you sure you read that right? They report contamination in log units, so a reduction from 6.23 to 4.81 is a 26x difference. There’s not much difference on the faces of lid & seat that directly face the bowl, but even the seat top had 15x more contaminants with the lid up than down.

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  • rockerface@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Definitely put the lid down before flushing. No need so splash the sharticles all over the toilet

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    • remon@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      So after flushing do you open it again to check or how does this work?

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      • 7uWqKj@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Yes of course

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      • iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        If you need to open your toilet lid to check anything, you’ve got other problems that need solving beyond lid up or down.

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      • rockerface@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Yes. I’m not yet that feeble that the lid is too heavy to lift again.

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  • theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    If you take the toilet seat up or down debate seriously I can only assume you’re a tulpa conjured from the brain of a hack boomer comedian

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  • OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I always close the lid when I’m not using my toilet. So do my wife and kid. It’s weird that people leave theirs open.

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    • Rooster326@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It’s weird that people care so much tbh.

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  • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    the real solution is to always leave it up

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    • Candice_the_elephant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      The patriarchy has spoken!

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    • Trilogy3452@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Or close the lid and then piss

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      • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        just piss on Reagan’s grave like the rest of us

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  • Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    That’s what I do. It’s gross to keep it up in any orientation of up.

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    • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      you must have a difficult life if that causes problems for you

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      • GaMEChld@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Do you consider your life difficult because cleaning your bathroom is part of life?

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      • Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I have diagnosed OCD. So yeah, it does cause problems for me.

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    • fodor@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I think you’re totally wrong. It’s not gross at all. Congratulations to both of us? … Meh.

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      • OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Do you flush it with the lid open? That’s kinda gross man. There’s splashing, even if you can’t see it.

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  • Rhoeri@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Or up.

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    • Psythik@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      People who haven’t seen that video of a toilet flushing under just the right lighting, where you can see the water splattering everywhere.

      It’s the reason why I always hop in the shower and wash my ass with soap after a shit, cause not even a bidet will clean up that mess. Ever wonder why your ass cheeks feel wet after a multi-flusher? Cause they are.

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      • chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Why would you flush before you stand up

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      • ngdev@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        i always shower and wash my ass with soap after a shit

        either you need more fiber in your diet, youre lying, or youre showering multiple times a day which is… wild

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      • untorquer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Ever wonder why your ass cheeks feel wet after a multi-flusher?

        I think you need more fiber in your diet…

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  • BorgDrone@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Leaving it as-is after use is the most efficient (least number of seat movements)

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    • Oka@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Once standing requires lifting and lowering the seat, normalization always incurs the maximum possible movement cost per stander, while leaving the seat as-is incurs at most that cost and often less. Therefore, for any population with at least one stander, leaving the seat as-is is movement-optimal.

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    • Oka@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      They want to normalize the position so its the same for every user. Statistically, people with vaginas sit ~100% of the time, while people with penises sit between ~20% and 100% of the time based on choice or situation. So the logical and most efficient solution is lid up, seat down, after every use.

      Even better if the seat has a gap for urine streams, then you will never have to adjust the seat.

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      • BorgDrone@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        They want to normalize the position so its the same for every user.

        That doesn’t make sense if users aren’t all the same.

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  • bizarroland@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It could also be resolved by everybody agreeing to be responsible for the toilet when they go to use it.

    Don’t get me wrong. When I have female company, I do my best to leave the seat down.

    It’s only ever been chided or the issue once or twice in my life.

    In my opinion it’s on you to make sure the bathroom is ready for you when you go to use it.

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  • TarantulaFudge@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    At home I leave it down, of I’m at a dive bar or something I leave the seat up so the next guy won’t piss all over the seat. That benefits everyone.

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  • SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    For 15 years I lived in an apartment with the bathroom shelves directly above the toilet. It’s a corollary of Murphy’s Law that anything dropped in the bathroom somehow will land in the toilet bowl. Hence, the lid stays closed.

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  • BlackPenguins@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’m a man living alone, with a cat. The seat has been down for 10 years.

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  • BanMe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Do your business on the floor next to the toilet, problem solved. No more flipping seats.

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  • DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    In other words: just pee and crap sitting down

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    • Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      That way you won’t miss too. I get why men pee standing up, but I still don’t understand why women do it standing up.

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      • DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I’m actually non-binary, I prefer gender-neutral and feminine terms, and I’m planning to transition in the future. Seriously!

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  • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The whole debate could be solved by lengthening toilets and everyone sitting. No more seat to lift.

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    • incompetent@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Image

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      • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        i prefer the competitive to the the cooperative
        Image

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    • bss03@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I too prefer the commercial oval/egg bowls to the to residential round bowls.

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      • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        i don’t know why i started calling 'em long boys but they’re long boys

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  • minorkeys@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Men aren’t the ones complaining about seat position.

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    • Warl0k3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yes they are the ones resisting being asked to put it down - hence the compromise position in the OP.

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      • fatalicus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        But they aren’t the one complaining.

        If a man goes to the toilet and the seat is down, they will raise it, do their thing and leave.

        If a woman goes to the toilet and the seat is up, they will lower it, do their thing, then go complain that it wasn’t already down when they wanted to use it.

        That is the classic premise.

        Personally I think anyone who don’t put the lid down before flushing are crazy. Just think of all the particles thrown into the air…

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  • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The real solution is to tape it down with enough duct tape to restrain an African bull elephant. You’re welcome.

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  • mech@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It could also be solved by everyone putting the seat where they want it to be.

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  • ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Have the ceramic only, no seats, and the problem’s solved!

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  • danciestlobster@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I did this since childhood out of spite. Child me was frustrated that I always had to put it down for my sister and she never had to move the toilet seat anywhere. It made no sense. So instead of putting just the seat down I put the whole thing, lid and all, down so that she had to move the toilet lid every time she used it too.

    This spite play became a habit that I now do always everywhere

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  • Thermite@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I think it is solved by having a urinal be standard in a home bathroom. People like having a shower and a separate tub. Same.

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    • Trainguyrom@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I literally never understood the appeal of urinals. Its less sanitary and literally a bathroom fixture that physically can’t be used by many people. Just sit to pee, its nicer and cleaner

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    • sureshot0@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I’ve seen hotels with these, they had a separate bidet in there too.

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  • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Anyone who cares this much about toilet seats isn’t worth associating with

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  • anon_8675309@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The toilet is more tidy when everything is down.

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  • llama@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Lol I did this at my first job thinking that was only fair and then I overheard the female boss go into another coworkers office to ask her if she put the toilet seat all the way down. Apparently men are the only gender who should ever be touching a toilet seat at all.

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