1 gram of cocain equals roughly 150 grams of CO2 emissions due to production and shipping etc, plus the effect wears of very quickly. Cocain Als destroys your nostrils, it’s really, really bad. I would advice amphetamine instead. Can also be taken orally, for instance in the medicinal form of dexamphetamine. Another side effect is that you aren’t hungry anymore so you don’t need the Twix. Just dexamphetamine and you are able to achieve your goals better like becoming a dictator (like Hitler, he got daily shots of amphetamine) or invade France if you want (the German army had amphetamine pills which helped them advance into France day and night. The French assumed they would stop during the night to rest but since they didn’t, the French greatly miscalculated and were completely overrun. Thats why you should use amphetamine kids). It also really helps with ADHD to focus on things and think clearly.
Might not be efficient, but at least it... Uhhh, wait, what good does it provide again?
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TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
yeah i mean ofc if you also put everyone in the world that that datacentre is serving in a human datacentre, I’m sure it’d consume tons of power (in food)
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 4 months ago
“Or so I’ve heard”
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
We use about 20% of our caloric intake (at rest, not doing math) for our bio intelligence. Having superpowers of social organization is expensive and power hungry.
So it’s really no surprise that the computation machines that can run AI require tens of megawatts to think.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world 4 months ago
“Pretend to think” at that lmao.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Yeah, it’s nowhere near thinking. More like arranging things into a pattern.
itisileclerk@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Natural inteligence would not consume Twix and cocaine.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Real Genius runs on cigarettes, coffee, and cheating on your cousin-wife.
How can we know if the AI is intelligence unless we can prove it is horny?
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Isn’t it more like they’re comparing all the hamburgers and everything else you have eating since you were born?
That’s what they’re doing with AI enegry usages isn’t it? I thought it was including the training which is where the greatest costs come from vs just daily running.
lovely_reader@lemmy.world 4 months ago
TomMasz@piefed.social 4 months ago
Valid, but not the first two things that I’d come up with.
rumba@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
it’s really good at writing termination notices without making middle managers feel bad about letting their employees go.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
It’s not artifical intelligence. A Large Language Model is not intelligent.
And yes yes, scientifically, it belongs there and whatnot. But important is, what the people expect.
Capybara_mdp@reddthat.com 4 months ago
Not to be pedantic, but the original use of the word intelligence in this context was “gathered digested information.”
Unfortunately, during the VC funding rounds for this, “intelligence” became the “thinky meat brain” type, and a marketing term associated with personhood, and the intense personalization along with it.
Capybara_mdp@reddthat.com 4 months ago
Not to be pedantic, but the original use of the word intelligence in this context was “gathered digested information.”
Unfortunately, during the VC funding rounds for this, “intelligence” became the “thinky meat brain” type, and a marketing term associated with personhood, and the intense personalization along with it.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
Btw, you got it double-posted.
luciferofastora@feddit.org 4 months ago
That’s the typical discrepancy between “definition of technical term” and “popular expectations evoked by term”. The textbook example used to be “theory”, but I guess AI is set to replace that job too…
Tinidril@midwest.social 4 months ago
I completely agree that LLMs aren’t intelligent. On the other hand, I’m not sure most of what we call intelligence in human behavior is any more intelligent than what LLMs do.
We are certainly capable of a class of intelligence that LLMs can’t even approach, but most of us aren’t using it most of the time. Even much (not all) of our boundary pushing science is just iterating algorithms that made the last discoveries.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 months ago
On the other hand, I’m not sure most of what we call intelligence in human behavior is any more intelligent than what LLMs do.
Human intelligence is analog and predicated on a complex, constantly changing, highly circumstantial manifestation of consciousness rooted in brain chemistry.
Artificial Intelligence (a la LLMs) is digital and predicated on a single massive pre-compiled graph that seeks to approximate existing media from descriptive inputs.
The difference is comparable to the gulf between a body builder’s quad muscle and a piston.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I’d trade cocaine for massive amounts of caffeine!
bampop@lemmy.world 4 months ago
How much have you got? I’ve got about 3kg of coffee.
rumba@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
I have about a gallon of liquid caffiene, comes with a pump so you can add it to home made soda one dose at a time.
I suspect you could do the same with coke…
Drun@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You need a nuclear power plant not for a single AI, but for several million instances of it.
Don’t forget that you can run full OSS ChatGPT on a single Mac Mini, and AI started
mechoman444@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Ya evolution is pretty cool.
And on that note the human physiology sacrifices quite a bit for its intelligence.
For example the reason humans come out as babies is because if they came out with a full sized brains they’d kill the mother!
It’s all about the most proficient use of energy.
Electricd@lemmybefree.net 4 months ago
Compare 1 human to one LLM session, instead of one human to all LLMs on Earth, and you’ll see that we’re way less efficient
exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Does that actually add up, though?
Google released stats recently that the median Gemini prompt consumes about 0.24 watt hours of electricity.
For humans performing knowledge based labor, how many prompts is that worth per hour? Let’s say that the average knowledge worker is about as productive as one good prompt every 5 minutes, so 12 per hour or 96 per 8-hour workday.
Let’s also generously assume that about 25% of the prompts’ output are actually useful, and that the median is actually close to the mean (in real life, I would expect both to be significantly worse for the LLM, but let’s go with those assumptions for now).
So on the one hand, we have a machine doing 384 prompts (75% of which are discarded), for 92 watt hours of energy, which works out to be 80 kilocalories.
On the other hand, we have a human doing 8 hours of knowledge work, probably burning about 500 calories worth of energy during that sedentary shift.
You can probably see that the specific tasks can be worked through so that some classes of workers might be worth many, many LLM prompts, and some people might be worth more or less energy.
But if averages are within an order of magnitude, we should see that plenty of people are still more energy efficient than the computers. And plenty aren’t.
Electricd@lemmybefree.net 4 months ago
You completely forgot that workers only work one time the shift per day. If you account for the total energy required to do a project, and assume that a human would do alone X in 5 days, then wouldn’t it be better to use prompting as well, which would theoretically, in this model, make X feasible in 2.5 days? Sure, the non-work calories consumption of a human is inevitable, but when strictly talking about productivity, you can make an individual be 2x more productive for a lot less than their daily calories consumption
BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Also, one human brain training takes feeding for years before it can do useful things.
maxxadrenaline@lemmy.world 4 months ago
All it really takes is the Limitless pill. The protagonist in the movie Limitless gets so much done after taking the Limitless pill in the movie Limitless. Limitless is a movie about a man who discovers the Limitless pill to help him accomplish almost limitless amount of things. But he learns that there is a limit that the Limitless pill can do if he takes it for too long. Because the Limitless pill isn’t really limitless.
ajoebyanyothername@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I think it was called ‘The Man Whose Brain Couldn’t Slow Down’
echodot@feddit.uk 4 months ago
It gets somewhat retconned in the TV series though where he’s basically just this political genius who secretly runs everything.
The TV show is a lot better than it has any right to be, it’s a shame it only got one season.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Limitless = Adderall
maxxadrenaline@lemmy.world 4 months ago
He learns the hard way that he needs to find a way to limit his dependency on the Limitless pill.
krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
See, the thing is, I watch piss porn. Hear me out. I told my friend that the thing is, to do piss porn, you kind of have to be into it. You could try and fake it, but it wouldn’t be very convincing. So, my contention is, piss porn is more genuine than other types of porn, because the people partaking are statistically more likely to enjoy doing that type of porn. Which is great, I think, because then they really get into it, which is hot. It’s that enjoyment that gets me off. Their enjoyment.
She said, “Krooklochurm, you’re an idiot. Anyone can fake liking getting pissed in the face.”
So I said, “Well, if you’re so adamant, get in the tub and I’ll piss in your mouth, and let’s see if it’s as easy as you claim.”
So she said, “All right. If I can fist you in the ass afterwards.”
Which I felt was a fair deal, so I took it.
My (formal) position was strengthened significantly by the former event. And I can also attest that I could not convincingly fake enjoying being ass-fisted.
What does that have to do with anything, you ask? Genuinity. The real deal. That’s what.
Scubus@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
Plot twist, she really did like getting pissed on, and she knew it ahead of time. She was gaming you for that golden shower.
1984@lemmy.today 4 months ago
Honestly disgusted to read that, but you do you…:)
Drun@lemmy.world 4 months ago
What a good piece of meal, thank you
echodot@feddit.uk 4 months ago
This is nice to be confused with shit porn. Which is just not very good.
NooBoY@lemmy.world 4 months ago
In other words, it is shit.
SoloCritical@lemmy.world 4 months ago
What the fuck did I just read
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
AI poison.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Some lost green text post or the internet comment etiquette guy.
yum@lemmy.eco.br 4 months ago
Fresh lemmy copypasta
wabafee@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I think we’re at a point we’re the hardware right now does not fit with the algorithm being used. Since they take so much power due to our computers being digital. Having a transistor only capable of holding 2 state (0V or 5V usually) is eneffecient. The heat add up as you multiply especially with LLMs. There is a push to go back to analog where a transistor acts more on a range 0 - 5v. Which in theory could store more information or directly represent what LLM runs on (floating point). For more context 1 float tends to be 32bits. 1 bit is 1 transistor so 1 float = 32 transistor. While an analog transistor could be 1 float = 1 analog transistor.
Cypher@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Do you have a link to any research on a push to analog transistors and their properties? I have been reading up on transistors (and vacuum tubes) but haven’t seen any discussion on this.
Also much lower voltages are typical in modern transistors, from 1-1.5v.
wabafee@lemmy.world 4 months ago
My mistake, I made it look like that’s a fact I’ll edit that as my opinion. Though here is one I can find.
www.nature.com/articles/s43588-024-00753-x
Article also spectrum.ieee.org/analog-ai-2669898661
axexrx@lemmy.world 4 months ago
user1234@lemmynsfw.com 4 months ago
Back when I was in college, grad students in physics seemed to live on frozen burritos (thawed and cooked in the microwave), and cherry coke.
Aeao@lemmy.world 4 months ago
They have cherry scented cocaine now? It’s about time!
user1234@lemmynsfw.com 4 months ago
It’s amazing what physicists can make these days.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 months ago
actual intelligence
You have a lot of faith in me.
Siegfried@lemmy.world 4 months ago
At this point, I feel like they actually excel at classifying people by political views and all the red number as covered by spy agencies… call it a conspiracy, but its my shot in the dark
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I think the entire idea of ai and the Internet in general taking up power and water needs to be fleshed out and explained to everyone. Even to me it’s a vague notion, I heard about it a few years back but can’t explain it to someone like my parents who would have no idea the Internet requires water to run
asmoranomar@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It’s not too hard. AI requires a LOT of work. Work requires energy. Some energy is wasted during this and the byproduct is heat. The heat has to be removed for many reasons, and water is very good at doing that.
It’s like sweating, it cools you down. But you need water to sweat.
Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It’s an efficient, if somewhat finicky intelligence. It checks out commander.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Wasn’t there an article posted yesterday about a group trying to create a biological computer that was living cells do to their efficiency of use on less power? (They are far from close, they basically took skin cells, ionized them, and had no idea how they were going to get them to stay alive long term yet.
fonix232@fedia.io 4 months ago
Even that won't be anywhere close to the efficiency of neurons.
And actual neurons are not comparable to transistors at all. For starters the behaviour is completely different, closer to more complex logic gates built from transistors, and they're multi-pathway, AND don't behave as binary as transistors do.
Which is why AI technology needs so much power. We're basically virtualising a badly understood version of our own brains. Think of it like, say, PlayStation 4 emulation - it's kinda working but most details are unknown and therefore don't work well, or at best have a "close enough" approximaion of behaviour, at the cost of more resource usage. And virtualisation will always be costly.
Or, I guess, a better example would be one of the many currently trending translation layers (e.g. SteamOS's Proton or macOS' Rosetta or whatever Microsoft was cooking for Windows for the same purpose, but also kinda FEX and Box86/Box64), versus virtual machines. The latter being an approximation of how AI relates to our brains (and by AI here I mean neural network based AI applications, not just LLMs).
applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
There’s already been some work on direct neural network creation to bypass the whole virtualization issue. Some people are working on basically an analog FPGA style silicon based neural network component you can just put in a SOM and integrate into existing PCB electronics. Rather than being traditional logic gates they directly implement the neural network functions in analog, making them much faster and more efficient. I forget what the technology is called but things like that seem like the future to me.
wander1236@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
For example of course
the_q@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
To be fair a lot of people think they’re intelligent and they really really aren’t.
fartographer@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Why do people keep telling me this?
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 months ago
And then the LLMs get trained on those idiots.
Aneb@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I’m not trying to grade on potential but betting on human potential vs AI potential feels like it rewards ourselves for being better vs a machine. Would we have Albert Einstein if we didn’t have Isaac Newton?
applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
That’s kind of a false dichotomy. They may be separate today, but there’s no reason to believe we won’t augment human minds with artificial neural networks in the future. Not in the magical cure all fix all way techbros like to sell it, but for like really boring and mundane things initially. Think replacing a small damaged part of some brain region, like the visual or auditory cortexes, to repair functional deficiencies. Once they get the basic technology worked out to be reliable, repeatable, and not require too much maintenance (cough subscriptions and software licenses), there’s no reason to believe we won’t progress rapidly to other augmentations and improvements. A simple graphical interface for like a heads up display or a simple audio interface for direct communications both come to mind, but I’m sure our imaginations will be comically optimistic about some things and comically pessimistic about others. All that to say that any true AI potential will be human potential in time. We won’t stop at making super intelligent AGI. We will want to BE super intelligent AGI. Since we already know highly efficient and capable intelligence is possible (see yourself) it’s only a matter of time until we make it ourselves, provided we don’t kill ourselves somehow along the way.
Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 4 months ago
Especially if they’ve had cocaine.
0nt0p0fth3w0rld@feddit.org 4 months ago
and some of the most intelligent people are cast out from society because they don’t fit the culture of arrogance.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
R.I.P Alan Turing
fonix232@fedia.io 4 months ago
And some of the most intelligent people ARE arrogant twits, unfortunately.
DonEladio@feddit.org 4 months ago
What’s with all the AI hate? I use it for work and it significantly decreases my workload. I’m getting stuff done in minutes instead of hours. AI slop aside.
wischi@programming.dev 4 months ago
Try to play tic tac toe against ChatGPT for example 🤣 (just ask for “let’s play ASCII tic tac toe”)
Practically loses every game against my 4yo child - if it even manages to play according to the rules.
AI: Trained on the entire internet using billions of dollars. 4yo: Just told her the rules of the game twice.
Currently the best LLMs are certainly very “knowledgeable” (as in, they “know” much more than I - or practically any person - do for most topics) but they are certainly far away from intelligence.
You should only use them of you are able to verify the correctness of the output yourself.
fonix232@fedia.io 4 months ago
"See, no matter how much I'm trying to force this sewing machine to be a racecar, it just can't do it, it's a piece of shit"
Just because there are similarities, if you misuse LLMs, they won't perform well. You have to treat it as a tool, with a specific purpose. In case of LLMs that purpose is to take a bunch of input tokens, analyse them, and output the most likely output tokens that is statistically the "best response". The intelligence is putting that together, not "understanding tic tac toe". Mind you, you can tie in other ML frameworks for specific tasks that are better suited for those -e.g. you can hook up a chess engine (or tic tac toe engine), and that will beat you every single time.
Or an even better example... Instead of asking the LLM to play tic-tac-toe with you, ask it to write a Bash/Python/JavaScript tic-tac-toe game, and try playing against that. You'll be surprised.
over_clox@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Don’t forget the Red Bull and Vodka system coolant…
Una@europe.pub 4 months ago
So, you are saying, I should mix my cocaine with twix bars for maximum efficiency? (Would still be stupid, but now more efficiently)??
maxxadrenaline@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yeah, Adderall sounds terrible. Most medications are terrible. I found the only medication’s that I needed is exercise and having a good friend everything else just makes you numb and the worst thing. Yeah limitless might be Adderall terrible stuff. Probably people get hooked on stuff and now you don’t even know what’s in that stuff anymore but you know the worst thing was going to a psychologist office and he’s asking you what pills you want I guess it hit the doctor. I never went back to a psychologist ever again and everyone wants me to cure myself with my numbing drugs. I tried some. I tried to so many none of them. They ruined my concentration and they make me dull. There’s no love in life on pills. I know a couple people who abuse prescription drugs, just as bad as anything just as bad as alcohol just as bad as anything out there I signed off of weed years ago cause I just saw how devastating it is and it doesn’t even cure cancer. It’s just people using an excuse to escape. I’m tired of escaping and just I just want fresh air exercise, warm heat and my best friend that’s all I need in life.