I got into programming on a TRS-80 clone. Everything you needed to know to program it was contained in a little 150 page book that came with it.
To program the Mac, you needed a whole bookshelf of books.
A hypothesis
Submitted 5 months ago by ickplant@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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pr06lefs@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
cv_octavio@piefed.ca 5 months ago
A flawed hypothesis. LOGO and Hypercard > Lotus notes.
ikidd@lemmy.world 5 months ago
“Discluded”?
msfroh@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Thank you! This meme is reposted often, and that non-word always jumps out at me.
Johnny101@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I installed Linux for the first time at 14.
hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
13/14 for me. Thinkpad 600 😎
Johnny101@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Its nice to know im not the only Linux kid. It felt so weird, most of my friends didn’t even know what Android was. It sucks growing up tech savvy when most people call themselves nerds after discovering “air drop”.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
ikidd@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Get out.
Geodad@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Linux didn’t exist when I was 12. 😑
nomorebillboards@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You a dinosaur?
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Same. Didn’t show up until 3 years later.
hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
I was around 13 for my first Linux install. Good times. Think pad 600, what a classic.
If I could have that exact same machine, with modern specs, I’d be hard pressed to use anything else. The nostalgia alone… So good.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 5 months ago
Ibm had fallen off a cliff. I remember having one that had a dock for it’s cd reader and such. Things was God damned bullet proof! I got an IdeaPad recently and aside from the metal shell, it’s pretty much garbage. Like I don’t really know what they’re doing with their bios, but I just installed an m.2 drive with a Linux install and it takes almost the exact same time to boot as it did from the fucking platter hdd!
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
I was 8 when Linus posted on that Minix Usenet group about his hobby that won’t be big at all.
Spikyyn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Spikyyn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
For some reason, Eternity shows this image until I clicked on the post lol
Spikyyn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
[deleted]Brahvim@lemmy.kde.social 5 months ago
Yep! Encountered this bug once before.
wowwoweowza@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Good grief! The word is excluded. Holy shit.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 5 months ago
probably a Windows user
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 5 months ago
Shit was making my eye twitch.
oppy1984@lemdro.id 5 months ago
So I started with a DOS machine that my dad had at work, then my school got a few Apple Macs in the library so I played Oregon Trail on the green screen, them the first computer we had at home that I was able to spend hours on was windows 3.1.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 5 months ago
'98 myself. But I got a vivid memory of being at my aunt’s when her computer guy was there and he hated windows describing it as for the lazy. I was really young att but remember playing some kinda dig dug type game that had cartoonish CPUs as the collection goal. I also remember figuring out how to launch it on a dos system.
hedge_lord@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I think that being forced to learn about WINE at a young age may have been beneficial actually (if extremely unpleasant)
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I remember when Wine was in alpha for twelve years (and then beta for three more). Was surprised to learn that it finally exited that stage, some time ago already.
Manmoth@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
So unpleasant.
hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
There are dozens of us
bremen15@feddit.org 5 months ago
Das wirft natürlich eine sehr interessante wissenschaftliche Forschungsfrage auf, die ich mir erlaubt habe, in der wissenschaftlichen Literatur zu recherchieren:
“Does early exposure to different operating systems (macOS vs. Windows) correlate with differences in technological literacy and general problem-solving abilities among children and adolescents?”
The available research does not provide conclusive evidence that early exposure to different operating systems directly correlates with differences in technological literacy or problem-solving abilities among children and adolescents.
While studies reveal some interesting distinctions, the evidence is limited. Ronaldo Muyu et al., 2022 found Windows is more popular among university students (84.61% vs. 11.38% for macOS), suggesting potential usage differences. Shahid I. Ali et al., 2019 found no significant competency differences between Mac and Windows users in Excel skills. Cem Topcuoglu et al., 2024 noted that users’ perceptions of operating systems are often based on reputation rather than technical understanding.
Interestingly, Bijou Yang et al., 2003 found Mac users had significantly greater computer anxiety, which might indirectly impact technological literacy.
More targeted research is needed to definitively answer this question, particularly studies focusing on children and adolescents.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
I did once have a Mac user describe the Bash terminal as “it looks like breaking things.”
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 5 months ago
Had to ssh into an orange pi I set up with emulation station to transfer some roms. Dude who I thought was tech literate was in awe and even described it as “hacking” a few days later recounting it with another friend.
Also was the hbic at a Dave and Buster’s, had to update the six person halo game, which runs on Linux, people started gathering around with their oooo’s and awe’s, with one kid saying it was like the movies. People by and large are pretty fucking stupid.
Dasus@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I think early exposure to several different OS’s means you’re at least not too poor, and lack of money does correlate a lot with illiteracy of all sorts.
bremen15@feddit.org 5 months ago
I think you misunderstand: the question is not about exposure to different OSes, but about the correlation/causation of a given OS to later cognitive (and other) abilities. Please do apply adequate scientific rigor here!
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 months ago
what operating system was that atari with a keyboard you could plug 2800 carts into
MathiasTCK@lemmy.world 5 months ago
daggermoon@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Atari OS, which could only be used to access the floppy drive. Atari DOS could be booted from a floppy disk. I never used one of these machines, I skimmed the Wikipedia article on Atari 8-bit computers..
wabasso@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
That was also AutistOS
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 5 months ago
First computer in my family’s home was a shitty Macintosh Performa, pretty sure it was running 7.x. Probably the biggest impact that had was growing up a Marathon child, rather than a Doom one. Hexen on the N64, but otherwise didn’t play Doom til later teen years.
But I also had extensive time on grand parent’s Windows 98 machine. Monkey Island series, The Sims, Final Fantasy VII, bunch of other games.
I’ve had elementary and middle school classes on both Macs and Windows machines, but didn’t gain any real typing skills until I used a Web TV device to access my first MSN chatrooms. Gained more typing speed in one day in chat than an entire quarter of typing classes.
First distro was Ubuntu 10.04. Had an interest in web design at the time, and had spent most of the years prior on a Windows XP desktop, then a Windows 7 one. Was more of an Unreal Tournament kid, again didn’t try Quake 3 Arena until my twenties but I do prefer the latter now.
Every version of Windows after 7 feels weird and unfamiliar to me. I feel like I have to shower on the rare occasions when I do use a W10 telemetry machine. Have never had enough time to become familiar with any version of OS X, and iOS is so unfamiliar to me that I end up ragequitting those devices within minutes of trying to use them.
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 5 months ago
“discluded”
🤣
Nasan@sopuli.xyz 5 months ago
De-un-cluded even
ickplant@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I thought so too, but turns out it is a word, even if it might be misused here: …stackexchange.com/…/is-disclude-a-word-and-what-…
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 5 months ago
That ain’t a dictionary.
MrEff@lemmy.world 5 months ago
We do not wish to exclude the population because it would preclude comparative analysis, but we wish to disclude them from this study in order to conclude the initial hypothesis.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 months ago
First computer I used was DOS.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Also DOS. Now I’m a digital plumber, keeping the pipes and tubes of the Internet from getting backed up with all the things happening commercially.
Remember, the Internet is not something you can just dump something on, it’s not a big truck.
FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Also DOS, the single button on the Mac mouse was a whole new way of using a computer.
axexrx@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Mine had 3.1 on it, but most of the games had to b3 run through dos prompt
CannedYeet@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I started on a Mac from Apple’s bad days. The school computers were Windows and it felt like all the other kids had Windows computers at home. I think feeling like I was at the disadvantage probably had an effect on me that led me to Linux. Also the second family computer ran Windows ME, so…
RaoulDook@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I started out with old Macs running System 7, and it was great. I had several good games installed from floppy disks and found some great shareware games online when we got our first modem and internet
Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
What about people who started on DOS?
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
They are either database administrators or completely oblivious to modern technology
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Lies and slander.
I am a system administrator and a network administrator. I abhor database management tyvm.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Ummm how do kids turn out if you install Linux Mint on a cheap laptop and give it to them to screw around with? Asking for a friend.
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
My cousin became an IT tech. I set her up with Ubuntu on a cheap desktop when she was about 12.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
One of us.
AldinTheMage@ttrpg.network 5 months ago
My 8 and 9 year old kids use xubuntu on a 2013 macbook air. They use it for writing stories, making a lot of pixel art with Piko Pixel, and some code block style programming with Lego Spike. They are learning about multi-user systems, file management, etc. I’m keeping an eye out for a cheap pc that can run Minecraft (lots of those right now since people are just trashing old win 10 machines) because the older kid wants to learn how to make Minecraft mods.
absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 5 months ago
I’ll let you know in 10 years.
Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
BAAAABE, I WANT A KID.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 5 months ago
It leads the kid to Arch. I hope you prepared to always hear “I use Arch, btw.”
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
At 7yo my family got our first home computer. I had no idea how to use it properly, so I was constantly bricking OS on it which lead my father to constantly call in his friend to fix our computer. I bet constant ass whooping made me quickly learn how to undo my own mess. At 10yo I could reinstall win98 though floppy with NC
tetris11@feddit.uk 5 months ago
*Reads comments in thread*
I started with a pair of matchsticks and a trenchcoat that I got at Galipoli in WW1, using the Phosphorus I found in the Bosphorus to craft makeshift TI calculator based on specs I got via Fax from a Samurai. I ran slackware on my slacks until we defeated the Ottomans, but they unleashed their puppy linuxes on us, and we stood no chance.
carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
honestly i think part of the reason i’m a computer tinkerer now is my formative years were spent trying to run specific minecraft launchers, n64 emulators and other stuff on the family mac
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 5 months ago
What’s with Lemmy and someone jumping into every thread like “LINUX IS MY MASTER!”
I constantly playing whack a mole and blocking all the Linux cultists communities
anomnom@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
I started on Apple 2 then Macs. Then used my graduation money to build a PC with just released Windows 98, Monster Voodoo video card a few months later (off of eBay no less).
Gamed and worked through my design degree on windows before switching back to Mac when it went Intel, and because I was working in web development and l dealing with Linux servers all day, but also needed Photoshop and layer Sketch (a nice vector UI design tool) and later as I ditched Adobe in my own company, Pixelmator (a nice Photoshop replacement).
I know a little Vi, I know a bit about spinning up servers and Ruby on Rails, pretty comfortable with a terminal/cli, have a few RPis around the house, and I grew up on and still use Macs.
1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
used Solaris at 11 Plays factorio
Yeah I might be autistic.
BilSabab@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I don’t get the hype for Apple stuff. Custom built desktops or frankenlaptops look way cooler and it is a lot of fun to finally figure out what kind of gear you need.
Korne127@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I’m studying computer science and while most use Linux, there are definitely more macOS user than Windows… so yeah, I don’t really agree
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
In my region, people who grew up with mac are more likely to finish higher class school than people who grew up using windows.
But not because they use mac but because they tend to have richer parents…