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• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨YSK tricks for one of the cheapest meals: beans and rice⁩ ⁨⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩:

  This is untrue. Virtually all plants have all essential amino acids. The only difference is that the main plant-based sources of proteins that people rely on - legumes and grains - have relatively lower levels of one or another amino acid than some other sources. But no studies have found those differences to have any negative impact on people’s health, or even their ability to gain muscle, whether they combine proteins or not.

  Here’s an interview with Christopher Gardner - a specialist who goes into detail on this topic.

  What we really need is for people to worry more about where they’re getting their fiber, than protein.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨YSK tricks for one of the cheapest meals: beans and rice⁩ ⁨⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩:

  That is part of it, but not the complete story. I talked about the same things in a comment elsewhere here, but in a nutshell it’s the combination of fiber and the oligosaccharides in beans. The latter is what leeches out into the bean juice, which is why rinsing beans can go a long way toward reducing gas.

  But for the fiber there is no getting around the need to just eat it everyday to get the microbiome adjusted to it. Where people go wrong is eating a ton of high fiber foods all at once and getting miserable with a ton of gas. It’s better to add those foods more gradually to get used to them.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨YSK tricks for one of the cheapest meals: beans and rice⁩ ⁨⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩:

  Textured Vegetable Protein. It’s basically soy that’s been processed in a way that results in a granular product that’s mostly protein, and has a somewhat similar texture to ground meats.

  Personally I prefer Soy Curls because those are made from whole beans and still have their fiber, but tvp can be a great choice for people with especially high protein needs like strength trainers.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨YSK tricks for one of the cheapest meals: beans and rice⁩ ⁨⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩:

  Some notes about gas: It’s primarily caused by a combination of fiber, and in the case of beans, by the oligosaccharides. The fiber can be handled by gradually increasing intake of high fiber foods. The more you get used to eating them, the less bloated you should feel, and it generally goes down to a normal level of gas that most people experience.

  For the oligosaccharides, soaking and rinsing the dry beans does help remove a lot of it. Rinsing canned beans also helps. Taking Beano (or an equivalent) can help too. There are also claims of various spices being able to help as well.

  It’s also important to note that different types of legumes can cause more bloating, or less. Experiment with different kinds to find what works for you.

  If you’re willing/able to make the effort, sprouting and even fermenting will significantly help with bloating as well.

  As a last resort or easy reprieve, opting for low fiber plant foods like white rice and tofu won’t hurt in the short term, though whole foods should generally be preferred because natural sources of fiber of hugely beneficial.

  On an unrelated note, I have always hated soaking beans, which is why the Instant Pot has been one of the single greatest cooking inventions I have ever used. Supposedly the pressure cooking also breaks down the oligosaccharides and reduces bloating. I just love it because I can toss in a bunch of beans and oat groats, and have enough of that stuff cooked to easily and quickly prepare meals every day for a week with each batch.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨What if reincarnation is real, but you were probably plankton in your last life, so you don’t remember anything anyway?⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  So where’s your rebuttal?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨What if reincarnation is real, but you were probably plankton in your last life, so you don’t remember anything anyway?⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  The burden of proof, when there’s no proof in any direction as to what happens after death? Sure, easier to go around calling everyone else stupid when that appears to be the majority of what you add to conversations. You must be real fun at parties.

  Alright, I’ll bite. For the purposes of this exchange I’m going to define “you” as narrowly as possible to whatever the minimum set of conditions is for a sentient organism to exist, and the bare essentials within that organism that allows it’s subjective experience to be uniquely yours. Memories change, knowledge changes, even personalities change. But at least for one being’s life cycle, there is an anchored continuity of qualia that is only ever theirs, and at least unless we ever invent some sci fi technology, only ever belongs to that one qualia’s body.

  With that in mind the argument is quite simple. “You” were born once. If it can happen at least once, why assume it would happen only once?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Is it really worth the BS for a couple more years?⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  since everyone else is already rightly pointing out the improved quality of life, I’ll emphasize that this includes mental health. When people with poor lifestyle habits quip, “I’m here for a good time, not a long time,” do you think the rest of us hear anything other than a veiled cry for help? You’re obviously not having a good time.

  Healthy lifestyle habits are the best of both worlds. They feel better, allow you to have more joy, and give you more time to experience more of it, while aging and eventually dying far more gracefully.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨What if reincarnation is real, but you were probably plankton in your last life, so you don’t remember anything anyway?⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  Why would non-existence be more likely?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨What if reincarnation is real, but you were probably plankton in your last life, so you don’t remember anything anyway?⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  No mythology, contrivances, or manipulation are necessary. Even from a completely secular perspective, some form of rebirth is arguably more likely than simply non-existence after death. Things like karma are unnecessary. If rebirth is real, even one driven entirely by naturalistic processes, then the state of the world is enough to make us ask what kind of world we want to be born into next. The more suffering there is in the world, the more likely it is you will be reborn as something that will suffer.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨What if reincarnation is real, but you were probably plankton in your last life, so you don’t remember anything anyway?⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  These odds aren’t promising either.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨What if reincarnation is real, but you were probably plankton in your last life, so you don’t remember anything anyway?⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  I lean in favor of open individualism these days, so yes, I was, am, and will continue to be plankton for as long as plankton continues to exist. And to be extra cliche, I am also you, and you, and you, and you, and I am he, as you are he, as you are me, and we are all together.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Banana⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  Dude, “orthorexia” was a thing that was baselessly made up. It doesn’t exist.

  It’s not hard to just leave bananas out of recipes, at least for me, it doesn’t feel like a loss in the first place. Just more room for better things.

  Spinach is fine, the oxalates bind the spinach’s own nutrients. The only issue there is a higher risk of kidney stones, which is easily avoided by eating a balanced variety of mixed greens regularly instead of any single one.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Great Depression: Part Deux⁩ ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  And which part was untruthful?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Great Depression: Part Deux⁩ ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  It’s weird how quick they tend to accuse vegans and vegetarians of bias, when the former positions objectively have so much evidence and benefits in their favor, and require overcoming generations of traditions and overwhelming societal pressure.

  One of those accusations are an admission things I guess.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Great Depression: Part Deux⁩ ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  Huh, I thought it was common knowledge given the news headlines about it a few years ago. The World Health Organization considers it a Group 1 carcinogen.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Great Depression: Part Deux⁩ ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  Given how strong the link is between cured meats and cancer and how that is quite public knowledge now days, I interpret this as Hamburger Helper telling me to get cancer. “You don’t actually want to live long enough to enjoy retirement, right?”

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Banana⁩ ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  How dare you accuse me of being a weirdo keto person, I am most definitely not one of them. 😑

  The effect is caused by an enzyme in bananas that are part of it’s natural immune response. It breaks down polyphenols.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Banana⁩ ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  I don’t think you understand. By adding the banana, you are canceling out the benefits of all of those other things.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Banana⁩ ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  Bananas are way overrated. Not nearly as much potassium as potatoes. As far as fruits go, they are lower fiber, high sugar (aka the not good kind of carbs).

  And you know how they turn brown quickly after being exposed to air? That process virtually eliminates the absorption of any sources of antioxidants that it might be mixed with. Like adding bananas to your smoothies? If you were hoping for health benefits, you just wasted your money.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Discuss⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  Chocolate bars are just slabs of fat with some drugs in em.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨hows keto working out for you⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  Rocky mt spotted fever generally comes from ticks, right? You’re lucky to be alive. Uhh, I don’t know how to tell you this, but I don’t know what I’m even getting from your comments other than them sounding like a lowkey cry for help. 🫣

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨hows keto working out for you⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  Anecdotes are not evidence. Even from your own description it’s untenable to pin down what your diet even is, other than, “whatever you feel like eating.” In that sense it’s virtually indistinguishable from the standard American diet itself. Here is an actual nutritional expert on keto:

  Should you try the keto diet?

  It’s advertised as a weight-loss wonder, but this eating plan is actually a medical diet that comes with serious risks.

  A ketogenic diet has numerous risks. Top of the list: it’s high in saturated fat. McManus recommends that you keep saturated fats to no more than 7% of your daily calories because of the link to heart disease. And indeed, the keto diet is associated with an increase in “bad” LDL cholesterol, which is also linked to heart disease.

  Other potential keto risks include these:

  Nutrient deficiency. “If you’re not eating a wide variety of vegetables, fruits, and grains, you may be at risk for deficiencies in micronutrients, including selenium, magnesium, phosphorus, and vitamins B and C,” McManus says.

  Liver problems. With so much fat to metabolize, the diet could make any existing liver conditions worse.

  Kidney problems. The kidneys help metabolize protein, and McManus says the keto diet may overload them. (The current recommended intake for protein averages 46 grams per day for women, and 56 grams for men).

  Constipation. The keto diet is low in fibrous foods like grains and legumes.

  Fuzzy thinking and mood swings. The brain works best when the energy source is sugar from healthy carbohydrates to function. Low-carb diets may cause confusion and irritability.

  Those risks add up — so make sure that you talk to a doctor and a registered dietitian before ever attempting a ketogenic diet.

  Or better yet, just don’t do it. It’s a dumb fad diet that needs to die.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨hows keto working out for you⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  the presence or absence of carbs has a huge effect on whether or not fat and salt will make you diabetic or fat.

  Prove it, show sources.

  keto works for that reason, and also for the satiation factor; fat is the most satiating macronutrient

  I don’t think feeling sick is the same thing as satiety. And again, please prove that “fat is the most satiating.” I want to see the science.

  … and some of that requires more management on keto …

  At least you admit that people quite often experience deficiencies on keto, saves me the trouble of breaking out the studies. And yeah, regardless of which diet, the more fiber the better.

  your link about keto just links to… this post

  It linked to one of my earlier comments because I didn’t feel like saying all the same stuff over again.

  unfortunately, it would be difficult for me, personally, to follow an entirely plant based diet, partly based on satiety and partly because i’m allergic to soy.

  Yeah soy is a pretty common allergy, and a lot of plant-based proteins are based on it. There are challenges there, but also a myriad of other plant-based protein sources. Getting used to plant-based diets is hard for nearly everyone at first, but it gets easier with practice and frankly starts to feel liberating in a lot of ways when adjusted to. Learning how to make seitan, for instance, opens up a lot of options. And regarding plant carb difficulties, I would suggest studying the Mastering Diabetes program which I linked to in that other comment. The single most important thing for diabetes treatment is weight loss and maintaining a healthy bodyweight. This is why virtually every diet tribe can make claims that their diet “cures” diabetes (type 2 that is), and it’s because virtually any diet can result in weight loss for at least some people.

  satiety is a very important subject when it comes to food health, which we’ve discovered with recent studies and the advent of GLP-1s, and you don’t mention it at all in your post

  Not true, I talked about satiety in my other comment that I linked to. Whole-food plant-based diets are very satiating, and as I also said in that comment, vegans are consistently shown to have the lowest bodyweights of any dietary groups.

  My comment about being a pharmacy tech was never intended to lend any credibility to my claims, it was just a personal anecdote to further highlight the insidious nature of our toxic food environment.

  At any rate, here is another video from that “condescending and sarcastic guy.” It’s about naturally boosting glp-1 through diet. I would suggest not even watching it, and instead looking closely at all the scientific studies he cited.

  And again to drive the point home, you cannot call a diet that increases all-cause mortality healthy.

  “Interpretation: Both high and low percentages of carbohydrate diets were associated with increased mortality, with minimal risk observed at 50-55% carbohydrate intake. Low carbohydrate dietary patterns favouring animal-derived protein and fat sources, from sources such as lamb, beef, pork, and chicken, were associated with higher mortality, whereas those that favoured plant-derived protein and fat intake, from sources such as vegetables, nuts, peanut butter, and whole-grain breads, were associated with lower mortality, suggesting that the source of food notably modifies the association between carbohydrate intake and mortality.”

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨hows keto working out for you⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  My role as a pharmacy tech had nothing to do with the validity of any statements regarding nutrition, nor were they meant to. It was simply an anecdote to emphasize the insidious nature of our toxic food environment. Also, while credentials matter, that’s also a genetic fallacy. The strength of a claim rests solely on the evidence to back it up.

  I can’t speak for protein, but sugars, fats, and salts have all been shown to be addicting. It’s not just sugar. Also, that grape has fiber and phytonutrients, that’s actually a good source of carbs. Literally just a few nights ago I was snacking on grapes and then stopped long before I finished the bag - because I felt full.

  My opinions are mostly inline with the scientific consensus, which holds the overall Mediterranean dietary pattern as the gold standard of health and longevity - of which whole-food plant-based diets are usually inline with. Can you show any valid authority on nutrition who uses keto as the basis of their dietary guidelines?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨hows keto working out for you⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  It would be a lot more accurate if you edited your comment so that every instance of “carbs” was replaced with “calories”. Cave-people had no way of knowing what any of the nutrients were in the foods they ate. Their enemy was starvation. Ours is the opposite, and all sources of calories contribute to weight gain. Sugars, fats, and salt are considered the three main villains in highly processed food addiction, not sugar alone. What you’re describing is known as the toxic food environment.

  I worked as a pharmacy tech for a while, in a grocery store. My pharmacist had informed me that pharmacies, at least the ones in grocery stores, generally operate at a loss. So why keep them? I don’t know if there are any tax benefits of kickbacks, but what is known is that the regulars at the pharmacy were spending twice as much on groceries as everyone else. What were the lion’s share of medications in the pharmacy? Various heart disease and high blood pressure meds, stuff for diabetes, and various forms of ozempic-type meds. There were other things too of course, but you can see this pretty clear picture of, as before, a toxic food environment gently manipulating everyone into eating all the hyper-palatable foods that are making them sick, and then needing to get prescriptions for medications in the pharmacy at the same store where they are buying all of the things that are poisoning them into needing those meds in the first place. It’s pretty disgusting right?

  But again, it’s not just carbs. If you look at the various sugar diets - those will actually cause rapid weight loss. They’re terrible diets, don’t do them, but they will result in probably even more short-term weight loss than keto. Neither are sustainable, see my comment here for more on keto. In short, keto is absolutely garbage and should be avoided.

  I do not eat whatever I want, nor am I young. When I was 30, one of my family members had died of a heart attack at the age of 46. I was already working on shifting to a more vegan lifestyle after seeing one of those documentaries that showed what factory farms are like, but seeing a loved one die at such a young age and such a close age to where I was at the time added urgency in learning more about the nutritional side of things, which is what led to my following a generally whole-food plant-based diet. Easily one of the best decisions I have ever made in my entire life.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨hows keto working out for you⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  That’s a pretty absurd amount of bagel to eat. XD

  Here is a really good program for treatment of both type 1 and 2 diabetes. If you follow it you might actually be able to eat a whole bagel.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨hows keto working out for you⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  Yeah those are pretty useful common sense approaches.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨hows keto working out for you⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  And I would take the pasta over the pork chops any day, although they would be whole grain pasta.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨hows keto working out for you⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  Yeah, they really are. The only valid medical reason to ever use the keto diet is if you have severe epilepsy, and that is an intervention that is only supposed to be done short term, and under close medical supervision.

  At best keto as a general diet generally shows to result in rapid weight loss for only about a year at most, before it plateaus. Odds are any results that come from it are only because the person dropped a few high caloric foods. If your plate is usually full of meat and Mac and Cheese, and you replace that with more meat and, I dunno, buttered veggies, then you’re probably eating less calories overall. That would explain the plateau too, because being in a calorie deficit is a state of starvation, and even unconsciously we have a tendency to seek out ways to calm our cravings. That’s why plant-based diets are the most effective and consistent for weight loss, because they are naturally lower in overall calories while also providing foods that are known to be satiating.

  Obesity in and of itself is the primary driver of type 2 diabetes, and overconsumption of fats - especially saturated fats - are drivers of insulin resistance. So while keto might provide short term symptom relief since your body doesn’t have to process sugars, it is about the worst thing you could do for yourself to treat the illness, because you are making the underlying cause worse in the long run, as well as driving progression of cardiovascular disease. Effective, sustainable treatment of type 2 diabetes has to involve, first most chiefly, overall weight loss; but you also need to lower total fat intake, as well as replacing the harmful fats like butter, lard, coconut and palm oils, as well as meat and dairy, with good fats like canola and olive oil, and whole food sources of good fats like nuts and seeds, and avocado.

  You can find a solid, real scientifically backed program for both type 2 and type 1 diabetes treatment here.

  I want it to be understood, I am not interested in internet arguments when it comes to this subject matter. This is not banal identity politics. This is life and death. I have seen too many loved ones die and all from poor lifestyle habits, including type 2 diabetes. It doesn’t need to fucking happen, and I am sick of people flippantly advocating for something that is quite literally the opposite of everything that nutritional science has found to be truly effective. It is grossly irresponsible. Keto is just one more re-branding of a long history of failed anti-carb diets. They never have worked, they never will work, and the only job they need to do is sow enough doubt in people’s minds to get them to keep eating all of the things that are killing them. It is the tobacco industry playbook plain and simple.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨hows keto working out for you⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  I’m aware of the basics of macronutrient digestion and metabolism, and your description is… weird. Would you care to share a source on your claims?

  It also needs to be noted, unless you’re eating nothing but supplements and highly processed powders, no one eats fat, or carbs, or protein. We eat foods, and virtually all foods contain all three macros in varying ratios. In the real world we get all three together every meal, and if you’re not, it means you’re following a diet that you probably shouldn’t.