iirc mice donât have the same response to capsaicin as humans - they can taste it, and donât particularly like the taste, but it doesnât cause them pain like it does in humans?
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Warl0k3@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
ummthatguy@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Iâm sure birds are immune as well as Steve-O, canât say for sure of rodents.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
From a tiny amount of reading (and a complete lack of a biology degreeâŠ) itâs that the rodent taste buds just react differently to the capsaicin, so it doesnât hit the sodium channels in the pain receptor âstackâ in the same way as it does in humans.
I think.
proudblond@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
This is interesting. A popular squirrel deterrent for bird feeders is to put spicy stuff on the seed. Iâve been trying that lately and the squirrels have completely left my bird feeder alone. So there must be something rodents donât like â unless squirrels are just built different?
Warl0k3@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Squirrels just need to nut up.
ftbd@feddit.org âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
I thought all mammals responded to capsaicin
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Seeing the videos of goats just casually chomping through the carolina reapers, I would bet there are differences in species.
DampCanary@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
You thought right, at least based on this research:
saltesc@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
I assume so. I have had critters gorging on my ghosts and reapers in the garden. Losing an entire plant overnight was the last straw so I have webbing up now, but they were clearly unaffected.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Lost a plant with peppers on it? I wonder what OG was eating that.
DampCanary@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
By this researcher they do feel the âpainâ from it:
Warl0k3@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Am I just missing where they claim that? From the conclusion:
Altering the palatability of this feed to rodents through the addition of capsaicin may greatly enhance traditional methods of increasing poison bait acceptance on poultry operations
That they avoid taste has nothing to do with the âpainâ experienced as a result of consuming it - in the preceding section they discuss other strategies to increase bait acceptance, including adding rodenticide to preferred bait foods. That rodents do not like the taste isnât really in question, that they have a pain response to consuming it is.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
I never understood sweets with spiciness added. It just ruins the whole experience for me. Spicy on savoury foods is fine but not on primarily sweet ones.
Tattorack@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
I dunno. I like my chili flavoured candy.
Beside, wasnât chocolate traditionally eaten with chili by the natives? Or was it a spicy coco drinkâŠ?
VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Chocolate isnât sweet, itâs bitter. You have to add a lot of sugar to get the sweet chocolate weâre familiar with. The Mayan and Aztec versions of hot chocolate were more like a spicy coffee than the sweet drink we have now.
EchoCranium@lemmy.zip âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Iâll occasionally make up coffee in the morning with chocolate, cinnamon, and a few shakes of cayenne pepper. Coffee shop I went to once did the same thing, called it an Aztec Mocha. Very good.
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Chili flavored? ewww. Cinnamon flavored? Oh yeah! Turn that spicy up!
Tiger666@lemmy.ca âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Itâs amazing how all humans are different.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
A lot of Asian foods are spicy/sweet; it is great.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Yeah but are they spicy sweets/desserts?
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Agree with slight exception: Pineapple, Jalapeno, Pepperoni on pizza. Just the right amount of sweet, spicy, and salty on the savory base. Shit slaps.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
That could work. But it is as I said not primarily meant tobe sweet.
halferect@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Add goat cheese to that and itâs the best pizza
Ifera@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Honestly, thst is very subjective. I love tamarind and pepper candy, vanilla ice cream with spicy chips, and honey plus roasted chillies marinade for pork.
And I say this as someone who is not into spicy food, there are a few combinations out there, where the sweet and spicy mix actually work great for a snack.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Good for you.
I do like spicy food in fact but spicy sweets were always offputing to me.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Iâve tried a few mild chilli chocolates and theyâve been pretty good. Not too sweet though, actual chocolates.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
This variety is for the challenge of it, not the enjoyment of eating it.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Well this one is but many are not.
Neverclear@lemmy.dbzer0.com âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Sweetness increases your tolerance for heat. The Scoville unit basically tells you how much sugar water it takes to mask the spiciness.
Jarix@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
What?
Scoville is exactly how much water it takes to neutralize the capsaicin until you canât detect it.
Which as different people have different tolerance itâs really not a precise method, and prone to mixed results for individuals.
It has nothing to do with sugar. Most people find sugar intensifies capsaicin
RattlerSix@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Iâm not eating any food that advertises what it will do to your asshole. Weâre adults here, you can just say itâs hot. You donât have to say âWe are very proud of the way our product will absolutely Sept 11th the hole you shit from.â Itâs not necessary to bring my asshole into this.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
well 9/11 was an inside job
NutWrench@lemmy.ml âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Spezi@feddit.org âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Caused by gut flora
nialv7@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Ok but what about a soothing breeze anus chocolate bar?
zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Citrus kiss
ivanafterall@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Might be more of a Deepwater Horizon situation?
altphoto@lemmy.today âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Thatâs how California fires get started.
Evil_Shrubbery@lemmy.zip âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
JoMiran@lemmy.ml âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
jballs@sh.itjust.works âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Why does that look like Mickey is busting a nut?
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
⊠that might actually be a ⊠rather inhumane, but âeffectiveâ form of pest control for mice.
I⊠did not know that anyone made fucking ghost pepper grade chocolate, but yeah, that would lure in and then potentiall kill, if not seriously injure or at least dissuade mice.
Its like sugar + borax for ants and such, sheesh.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
No one does. It isnât a 2.2 million shu chocolate bar. It just has a very small amount of Carolina reaper pepper as an ingredient in the bar. Most of those hot sauces with goofy names are the same way. âSatanâs lBunghole made with 6,000,000 pepper extractâ Yeah. Made with like a drop of extract so the sauce is more like 200,000 scoville.
iAvicenna@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
dissuade âfuck this shit I am moving from this houseâ
Sprinklelicious@feddit.online âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
One of those things you buy but never to actually eat. I remember my brother bought me a beer that was made using yeast originally cultured from beard hairs belonging to the master Brewmaster (I believe rouge brewery made it). Could never bring myself to drink it. Sat in my shelf for years as more of a keep sake.
frog@feddit.uk âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Yeah⊠this is worse than my sister buying me candy with antsâŠ
Botzo@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Beard beer! Yeah, rogue was definitely playing with things at the time (remember voodoo donut?). Gotta keep in mind this brewer had been brewing in a yeast laden environment for many years.
I feel like I remember reading white labs sampled it and found it was a combo of several of their strains.
Akasazh@feddit.nl âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
And then thereâs the polish beer, made from yeast culture from a couple of models kootchies.
Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Thatâs fucking disgusting. Are they valuable? I pull one of those of my bath drain every couple of years if he ever needs another one.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Those bars are fine to eat, though. Spicy chocolate tastes good and the 2.2 million advertising is BS. They contain a tiny amount of pepper from 2 million+ scoville Carolina reaper peppers. Diluted down as the last ingredient in the chocolate bar makes it way, way, lower.
JokeDeity@sh.itjust.works âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Reminds me of the time I lost an entire day to the fucking One Chip Challenge.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Iâm the âspicy guyâ of my circle of people I know, so I always get brought in the challenge things and hottest x to try. Had the gummies and jerky, and beer, and all sorts of things. The chip has been the only one that Iâd actually say was hot. Mouth was fine, but it made my stomach hurt for like 10 minutes.
Sibbo@sopuli.xyz âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Some products like this should be required to have dangerous chemical signs on them.
Kolanaki@pawb.social âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
I donât think that the mouse would have understood them.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Itâs advertising bs. The chocolate isnât that hot. It isnât 2.2 million scoville. It had a tiny amount of 2.2 million scoville pepper mixed into the chocolate. That pepper is dead last on the ingredients list. Youâd have a harder time eating half a habanero.
JokeDeity@sh.itjust.works âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Dogs and cats canât taste capsaicin, can mice?
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Wait, do mice like chocolate? Can they eat chocolate? Or is this one of those the-dog-will-shit-itself-to-death things?
cannon_annon88@lemmy.today âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Yeah, that mouse is dead.
racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
WTH is this pic?
Who holds a chocolate bar like that?
Who would have such a piece of finger nail?
Chisav@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
The thumb. No person would hold that like that. And look at Nutrition facts.
Chisav@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
ai still has trouble with hands.
ummthatguy@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Much as I love spicy foods/hot sauce, this weapons grade shit is just silly.
I once signed a waiver to purchase a spicy chicken sandwich and will never do so again.
sheridan@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
I had the same sandwich (Daveâs Hot Chicken reaper sandwich). I assumed it was just a marketing stunt. After one bite I had to go back and get a milkshake so I could sip it between bites to finish the damn sandwich.
garbagebagel@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Oh was it made with Daveâs Hot Sauce? I had a customer bring in his own Ultimate Insanity hot sauce to use in a Prairie Fire shot (tequila+hot sauce). Shit looked ROUGH. He let me keep the hot sauce after though and it became one of my partnerâs favourites.
qyron@sopuli.xyz âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
I find it hard to understand how a potentially hazardous to health food item is even allowed.
What is this obcession with ever increasing level of spice in food, lately?
Because at some point it all the flavour just goes away, replaced by a hefty dose of pain.
ummthatguy@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Spice will give you an approximation of a ârunnerâs highâ without the tedious mucking about of exercise. There is, of course, an upper limit which too many products tip past.
untorquer@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
It can be fun to safely experience sensory extremes. Many people get an endorphin/dopamine rush from it.
Other than some gut irritation itâs not a significant hazard. Like yeah keep it safely stored from sensitive people and poets also itâs probably not the best road trip snack or whatever. Certainly less dangerous than alcohol, fireworks, cigarettes or texting while driving.
treadful@lemmy.zip âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Because itâs fun. Live a little.
shneancy@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
in the past i thought eating spicy food made me look cool and manly, but then i realised iâm missing out on the flavour of foods and understood i was being silly. so now i mostly stick to mild foods, with the occasional spicy food for varityâs sake but only if i can actually taste the flavour of said food through the spice
but thatâs just me
Snowclone@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
self inflicted pain with no scars or prema damage, as long as itâs below pepper spray.
Opisek@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
I realize Iâm a special case, but my nose is essentially non-functionalâI donât smell food. While my sense of taste is more sensitive than your average person, I suspect I still miss out on some kinds of flavour. I believe my impairment is why I am drawn towards strong tastes like cheeses or, indeed, extremely spicy food. Theyâre the âonlyâ flavours that I really experience strongly.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
My mouth is broken and I love really spicy stuff. Like, still havenât met someone in person who likes things as spicy as I like them.
FYI to the Flaming Anus chocolate bar: itâs advertising hype BS. Like most hot sauces yelling out some high scoville number. All that big â2.2 million scovilleâ on the packaging here is actually just referencing that it has Carolina reaper pepper in the chocolate, and that those peppers can be up to 2.2 million scoville.
But the peppers are dead last on the ingredient list. Each bar has very little in it. If I ate a Carolina reaper pepper rated over 2 million even I would hate it and it would burn and Iâd feel like my insides wanted to die. But the chocolate bar here is just a spicy little snack.
Gullible@sh.itjust.works âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
A guy after my own heart. Do you like vinegar based hot sauces? If not, which sauces do you go for? Iâve struggled for years to find decent sauces and have only found Melindaâs and my own sauces to tolerate.
Paradachshund@lemmy.today âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Not the guy you responded to, but I also love hot sauce. I usually stock franks, yellowbirdâs red jalapeño sauce (forget the name), and cholula or Valentina if I donât feel like paying for it. I also had this really awesome green hot sauce from El Pato brand, but I havenât ever seen it again. Hopefully someday!
ummthatguy@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Vinegar tends to be too forward. I go for the stuff youâll find in a Mexican market or âethnicâ aisle of a grocery store. Peppers being an ingredient higher than most others beyond water catch my eye. Melindaâs is alright, though Iâve seen them branch out quite a bit from their more humble beginnings.
insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafe âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
I donât like vinegary too much (or smoke/fermented flavor etc), I like El Yucateco Red*.
Though it is a bit expensive for a tiny bottle. So I made a few big bottles trying my own spin* from garden habaneros (orange) and liked how it turned out.
* I see the key ingredients: distilled white vinegar, citric acid, xantham gum
Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Ah, a fellow Melindaâs enjoyer! I love theyâre Ghost Pepper sauce in particular (though itâs fairly mild for a Ghost Pepper sauce). My only complaint with Melindaâs, is that they consistently use too much carrot in their sauces. But otherwise theyâre really great!