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I don’t get why something like Mesa even exists. Like, what even is the moment where pulling out your Mensa card is a good idea?
Assuming you are inteligent, you should know that flashing a card from a gatekept “clever people” club will probably not impress many people, just like you should recognize that the test you did doesn’t mean shit and IQ is not a good way how to measure people.
it’d make sense if it was just a club to help people be social, since high IQ and social difficulties tend to come together
but no… they charge you to be part of it…
Well, the original idea behind Mensa was that if you got a bunch of really smart people together, they just might solve all the world’s problems. Didn’t quite work out that way, so I’d agree that it has no real reason to keep existing anymore.
Yeah, no one “flashes a Mensa card” unless they are a jerk. We joined many years ago when we lived in Iowa for the social aspect. The parties are a lot of fun and the people are all fascinating. Not all people you want to spend time with, but fascinating. We let our memberships lapse when we moved back to Colorado.
Nearly universally, Mensans recognized that IQ is only measure of how well you do on an IQ test (which, as you may know, was never intended as a test for the upper end, only to find students who needed intervention) or the other allowed tests.
There were materially successful people and not, socially adept and not. People we learned to avoid and people who became friends. Cringe and connection.
I suppose it is like any other social club where you have something in common with the additional kicker that people were not holding back in conversation. You had the chance to rapidly be humbled in that case if you went on at length about some favorite topic only to find out the person you were talking to was an expert in it.
Plus there were cool speakers and field trips. “Dumb things smart people do” was one of our favorites.
Thank you, that makes perfect sense. It’s easy to fall from the outside into the trap of judging it by the “smarter than you club” label, and forgetting that probably isn’t the point for most members, and the club part is the important one.
Honestly, that sounds like a lot of fun.
Yeah, no one “flashes a Mensa card” unless they are a jerk.
One time I made fun of people who do cross fit and someone at the table said “I do CrossFit.” Then I said, “It’s almost as annoying as people who flex over their AMEX card.” And another guy pulled out his AMEX card.
I regret not bringing up a Mensa Card.
At a guess? Smart people like validation too; and are just as vulnerable to manipulation that uses it. Potentially even more vulnerable, in fact.
As someone who doesn’t need to guess:
It exists as a social club founded in eugenicist thought.
Apparently ultra-high-IQ people like to use comma splices too.
, The, more, commas, you, use, the, better,
Probably a language thing too. In German, for example, comma splices are grammatically correct.
Comma splices are good!
I wish I could remember the story but there was a guy that joined Mensa so he could con people. It worked too which rather seems to suggest that the entry requirements are not all that stringent.
Do you remember how that con was supposed to work?
It was in an article about the real life incidents that influenced Terry Pratchett in the discworld series. So the con itself probably took place in the '80s or '90s, so quite a while ago. I can’t really remember if the article itself went into any details but I ended up looking into it myself because I thought it was funny that people in Mensa had been conned.
I think it was some sort of timeshare scheme. The guy managed to sell timeshares in a property he didn’t in fact own, not a very sophisticated con really. The utter geniuses didn’t demand evidence that he actually owned the property before handing over cash.
Isn’t mensa sort of a con itself?
IQ testing, argualy. Mensa is a social club that wants nerds to fuck nerds and make nerd babies
I think their entry requirements are doing exactly what they’re supposed to.
The problem is that intelligence, even if we could measure it correctly, doesn’t and shouldn’t imply what a person knows, nor their experiences and the wisdom that they carry.
Someone can be learned with a low IQ. Someone can be wise and similarly low IQ. In the same way, someone with a high IQ can be unwise.
The problem with having only one individual metric for a group which believes themselves to compose the smartest people, is that they’re arrogant. I know plenty of people who are so extremely intelligent that I am certain that they could be a part of Mensa; yet, they are not. When they looked into it, they decided it would be unwise to become a member, given the requirements and the attitudes of, and about, the group.
Hell, there’s a decent chance I could get in. I’ve never tried and I don’t care to, for all the same reasons, so I would never know if I could “make it” or not.
Their arrogance and hubris is their undoing.
Mensa is for people who grew up in gifted programs being told that they will achieve greatness just because of the one test they scored hight on, and then they amounted to nothing, so they need a place where they can tell each other that they are unsuccessful only because they are so much smarter than everyone else around them.
High IQ people who manage to do something with their life usually have more to be proud of than an IQ test they took decades ago.
Or IQ is a useless measure
IQ is absolute nonsense that tells you literally nothing about intelligence or anything of the like.
Or computational intelligence isn’t the same thing as skepticism
And over-identifying woth it is something arrogant shit heads who are easy to con do.
Not me though. I’m better.
As a big booty latino I feel both interested and offended by this.
Also, don’t take our big booty latinas pls. We need them for <reasons>.
I’m still wondering what mensa means… I thought it was a like a flat hill.
I think it means table.
Mesa is a flat hill.
Mensa describes itself as a “High IQ Society”. Essentially, anyone who scores well on an IQ test can join, and they have plaques, membership cards, and such they give out. As far as I know, the whole point of Mensa is to say you’re smart enough to be in Mensa.
mensa actually means dqmb in spanish!
Go find yourself an IQ 300 mensa nerd. They need you
Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.
What’s mensa
Another word for cafeteria in german.
Mensa is “the high IQ society”. Take that how you will, membership is mostly used for bragging rights and/or being pretentious.
It’s like anything if you are of the right social class being members of the right clubs can open certain doors for you. Political parties like to hear that you are in Mensa.
The impression I get is that it was more relevant before the internet. Like, you’d be living in bumfuck Nebraska and take an IQ test in high school to see if you should be a trucker or farmer, and then a couple weeks later you get a letter asking if you wanna be part of a club of smart people who have a magazine and meet every once in a while.
I went to college with a kid who introduced himself to the class as a Mensa member on day 1. it was a logics class.
halfway through the semester I argued my point logically against him in a debate in front of the class and won. he was embarrassed as fuck and as red as a tomato. he was so pissed that he lost against me because he believed I was inferior to him.
my tactic was to get him emotionally flustered on his stance, which he vehemently believed in, and argue logical arguments regardless of their logical context to his stance.
for example if his stance was “all abortions are wrong.” my argument was, “if abortions are wrong and death is wrong then abortions that save life are right because abortions don’t kill people. so if abortions don’t kill people all abortions are right.” cue up a tit for tat back and forth for 15 minutes and I win the debate point for point.
anyway, we didn’t see him for the rest of the semester and he dropped out entirely.
I kinda feel bad a bit because it was clear he was on the spectrum and I used that to my advantage but the dude was a dick.
point is Mensa is a dick stroking competition and you’re better off avoiding it.
This is a fun story but I have to ask, what’s your definition of people if you say abortions don’t kill people? Couldn’t this guy have attacked you easily at that point?
I know nothing about debating or logics, so just wondering.
Glad you made him cry though
Claims “high IQ”, holds right wing views.
God that prickly sounds insufferable.
It’s irrelevant. It’s douche nozzle central.
damn i gouss it’s secret information
i love being left out
It looks good on college applications. But don’t join their clubs
You other brothers can’t deny it
I don’t think there is a correlation in either directed but I’m happy to be proven wrong
No, high iq people like big tiddy latinas.
Thicc latinas
Perfection
I’ll consider this an IQ test and apply for Mensa
A reddit mod for a mensa sub sounds like possible the most insufferable combination imaginable
If you happened to have an unusually high IQ, why you would you choose to join Mensa, or be a moderator on Reddit for that matter?
The smartest thing you can do is obfuscate your level of intelligence, not brag about it. That’s just how you end up doing more work and getting blamed by everyone around you.
Eh, intelligence is fluid and the whole concept of a single IQ score is broken. Someone with a high IQ can be real-world dumb with a speciality,and a bunch of faults or not and someone bad at school math can become a genious engineer. And both can be equally good or bad politicians.
As far as I can tell, most people out there have expectations about high IQ people which are straight out of Hollywood films and wholly unrealistic, so best just leave then with whatever de facto impression of brightness they have about you than mention a number and trigger the “Mental Superman” expectations.
Also going around parading your IQ falls straight into the rule “the more a person brags about some great personal quality, the less strong it is” - if you’re really that bright, brave, strong, beautiful, confident and so on, there is no need to mention it since it’s generally obvious to others.
Obfuscate your intelligence? Being a reddit mod sounds like it’s part of the plan, then.
And yet, their comment was on point. Maybe its like w double negative
It’s all relative. Define big.
The bmi in rich nations is getting way too big.
You can keep the skeletons for yourself
Lol
The answer is yes, we do
- Men who prefer big healthy asses tend to lean left/Democrat/liberal/progressive. Men who prefer big boobs tend to lean right/Republican/conservative/fash.
Is that right?
And personally more perky asses.
whereas conservative almost always look within their own ethnicity first
Funnily enough, I don’t really see that happen. At least in my group of friends, the ones with the Filipino wives (and other wives from far away) are usually very conservative. They are then also very happy to talk badly about her family, her relatives and people from her country in general, but “she’s one of the good ones”.
Maybe it’s due to the fact that they can’t find a local woman who’d accept them, and that way they get a wife with very conservative values who’s also happy to talk badly about her family/relatives/people.
This is 100% anecdote, but one day, I guarantee, the research and science will back me up on this, as soon as someone conducts it.
What’s stopping you? Haven’t you heard that the only difference between science and screwing around is writing things down? Start screwing around and writing down your findings!
Progressive here.
I’m a boobs guy and never have I dated outside my ethnic group
I think of myself as a progressive and I like both. But my country is like 99% white so I don’t get to play outside my group either :(
I’m a boobs guy and never have I dated outside my ethnic group
Yet,
Anecdote disproves unsubstantiated opinion.
Science!
Conclusive
as someone who qualifies for mensa but like, i ain’t paying a subscription fee to be in the smart people club, that sounds really dumb (and also IQ testing is sketchy at best to begin with)
yes, i always appreciate a big booty, on any ethnicity or gender, so latinas are indeed included
I took their online test out of curiosity and it said I was qualified to join. It was interesting to figure out the mechanism of it though.
From what I gathered, it seems what they’re really measuring is your capacity for pattern recognition and association or something along those lines.
I was curious too. I heard that online test didn’t mean shit, so I did an “official” Mensa Test and well, trust me, you don’t want to join.
following is a summary of a real conversation that I witnessed:
A parent sought advice, their child would fake being sick to avoid school within the first 2 weeks of the first school year. After some conversation, the parent expresses 2 opinions, 1. that they think their child gets bullied and 2. That the child couldn’t express themself well enough to communicate what the issue is. So they just assumed that their child gets bullied, because if my child would tell me that their classmates are mean, I would call that express themself quite well for that age. Then in the conversation, they talk about how they thought their child how to write and read. So they are wondering why their child doesn’t want to go to school after their child was forced to sit in a chair for hours, being taught the alphabet for hours that the child already knew. I wonder 🤔 can someone here tell us why the child doesn’t want to sit in a chair for hours, writing down the same letter again and again as practice for something that they are already able to do? Does someone know?
They really couldn’t figure that one out.
Isn’t this what most of IQ tests do? I sometimes take them because it’s fun to solve the pattern tasks but I feel like it’s nearly impossible to test the really interesting things like transfer and problem solving capabilities in a reliable way at least in this kind of way.
IQ testing as many other things, has racist origins and is for all intents and purposes quite useless imo
Haha I always thought that people running mensa are the real geniuses for basically selling self-esteem
Don’t we all?
I wouldn’t believe their supposedly high IQ otherwise.
Doubt you’d find either in a MENSA subreddit.
Yes. Yes we do.
Gotta be dumb af to not like big booty latinas
So, do they?
nectar45@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
The answer is yes
BoosBeau@lemmy.world 8 months ago
nectar gets it