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Supreme Court to decide whether ISPs must disconnect users accused of piracy
Submitted 9 months ago by tonytins@pawb.social to technology@lemmy.world
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ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
Always make sure that QBT uses your VPN’s network interface. I got some DMCA emails despite split-tunneling a VPN recently, and I realized it was bound to all interfaces by default - that’s no good.
CallateCoyote@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Then pirates will just get smarter. No way for them to see who is watching all of these movies with their VPN and Debrid service.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Lol.
Do ISPs like making money?
Then they shouldn’t disconnect users who pirate.
I get notifications from my ISP all the time. They don’t do anything though because they like the money I give them.
bold_atlas@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I’ve been torrenting movies and software since 2000, no vpn, and have only gotten a notice once and it wasn’t even me. It from temporary roommate who had apparently watched a shady streaming site.
Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 9 months ago
Their methods are fine, they literally just pirate the stuff themselves, see which IPs connect to them, then connect those to an ISP and notify them. The main reasons you wouldn’t get notices are getting lucky, not seeding much, not torrenting things that are being monitored, or having an ISP that doesn’t care much.
The single notice from the streaming site makes sense, pirate streaming sites are usually honeypots or heavily monitored.
AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 9 months ago
After switching to torbrowser for all my questionable searches and downloads, I no longer get notices from my ISP for like 10 years now
Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
According to the article this is the USA. How on brand.
sad_detective_man@leminal.space 9 months ago
let’s all fall on our sword to make sure Disney never loses a potential subscriber for Marvel Wars. Truly, we are defending the interests of the people here
solarspark@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
Life depends more on accessing things online. This would just be punishing people beyond the scope of the case against people.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
All public wifi will be disconnected pretty quickly.
mesamunefire@piefed.social 9 months ago
This is how you get a new darknet.
jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
In Germany and no doubt some other countries, private law firms can (on behalf of the copyright holders) request people’s identity based on residential IP addresses and then send extortionist legal threats. Apparently an IP appearing on a public tracker can be enough to trigger it, without any confirmed data transfer.
VPNs are common and usually sufficient.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 9 months ago
they try that in the US, using mass litigation, but it doesnt work, its usually designed to scare indivudal IP users to “turn them self in”
jownz@lemmy.world 9 months ago
A boy downloaded a movie via torrent without using a VPN.
He died.
Good night! 😴
LodeMike@lemmy.today 9 months ago
Don’t public trackers add random IPs?
themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
Yep there is no way they can block I2P, they have to block all of it.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
“the internet” is a necessity and requirement to function in society. You can’t be denied access to it anymore, it would be disproportionate.
utopiah@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Exactly, sure disconnect customers from the Internet if they use it for entertainment… but once they use it to earn the income that pays their bills, it becomes questionable… and once it is in practice required to be a citizen, at the local, national or supra national level then it becomes a totally different question, to which the answer is basically no, you can’t disconnect someone otherwise you remove their citizenship.
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 9 months ago
Pretty sure I have read somewhere that it is now also an official necessity in Germany
Evil_Incarnate@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
I think in Finland it is a basic utility like power and water. It is certainly priced like that.
Kelp@lemmy.world 9 months ago
So this might be a good place to ask. How is a Trojan Proxy Server suited for anonymous piracy? Is it better or worse in case this passes?
catty@lemmy.world 9 months ago
lol, they’ll have no customers! ISPs used to send ‘warning’ letters to customers in England but that’s all.
hansolo@lemmy.today 9 months ago
Same in the US.
I got one once from something I know for sure I didn’t download. I always assumed it was a friend of mine staying with us that was torrenting “Boss’s Daughter Big Booty XXX” or whatever it was, but I never really wanted to ask.
peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Guess it’s time to go underground, sigh.
dulce_3t_decorum_3st@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You should already be underground
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
Instructions unclear, now sitting in basement.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
4G piracy hub go brrrrr? Go ahead, disconnect me. I will get another SIM and resume piracy.
r0ertel@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Several countries require proof of ID to purchase a SIM card.
utopiah@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I don’t think eSIM providers do but I admit I didn’t check. It’d be even more convenient, no need to leave your home to switch.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Ah yes I keep forgetting about all of those countries that the US Supreme Court has jurisdiction over
dulce_3t_decorum_3st@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Alas, true for mine
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
Being accused of will lose you access to basic infrastructure? Why not cut electricity too?
rozodru@lemmy.world 9 months ago
give it a few months, they’re working up to it.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Don’t give them ideas. Next they’ll cut the blood stream to your brain.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Pretty sure they’ve already done that by not regulating social media better
medicsofanarchy@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Supreme Court: “One of us! One of us!”
Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Like 20 years ago the RAVE Act said venues can be charged if anyone is in possession of illegal drugs inside of them during an event. Similar in some ways
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Accused???
Now just a second…
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
And OpenAI of course.
Antagnostic@lemmy.world 9 months ago
But it’s not piracy if you use it for an LLM, right‽
lepinkainen@lemmy.world 9 months ago
So if Meta is convicted of pirating books for AI training, they lose all internet connectivity? 🧐
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 9 months ago
dint they just rule AI can legally scrape/books, but not for people who are pirating directly.
lepinkainen@lemmy.world 9 months ago
IIRC the judge said they could use the data for training, but specifically added that piracy is still piracy and he didn’t rule on that.
So Disney can just sue Meta for one trillion 😀
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 9 months ago
The US is such a silly place. Everything is so wrong.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
so then individuals could just train a model locally on the shittiest hardware they have
DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 9 months ago
If it’s upheld, that’s the precursor to full-blown info blackouts, just cut off internet to anyone ‘accused’ of wrongspeak against the powers that be, which is basically everyone.
0x0@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
Oh, so like they do in the uncivilized middle-east?
NaaaahZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Their uncivilized censorship regime vs. our civilized online child protection and anti-terror laws.
DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 9 months ago
Given the US is now ran by the New Fuhrer? I could see that happening.
altphoto@lemmy.today 9 months ago
In the beginning we used to exchange cassettes. You would have a boombox with two cassettes. You would play one while you recorded on the other. Then you gave the cassette back to your friend. Next was the VCR with the big ass cassettes.
Then you would do the same with floppies, then zip disks. Then one day CD recording was a thing, then DVDs. Then thumb drives and now portable HDDs. Basically the cheapest form or recording is always the most popular way for people to share stuff.
The only ones who don’t want us to share are those who want to make millions by never innovating.
r0ertel@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I couldn’t afford one of those fancy 2-cassette boomboxes, so I had my friend bring his tape deck and we put them real close together in the quietest room of the house and recorded that way. Having several siblings meant that there were no quiet places, so we used the empty garage when my parents were at work. The audio was autrocious, tons of echo and static, but I played that tape thin until it snapped.
Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
(Donald trump voice) “We should hold all food companys liable for users violent crimes, this man stabbed another man to death with a spoon! 30 minutes before he ate kraft mac and cheese. It gave him the energy to violently stab this innocent man”
Lets hope they got common sense
HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 9 months ago
What’s crazy is that Trump claims to be against the current ruling in Sony’s favor, and is siding with Cox.
Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Instruction unclear? So trump like cocks?
Good for him!
peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 9 months ago
And now I’m on a VPN because if they’re just gonna cut people off for accusing of piracy they’re gonna have to cut off everyone with a VPN.
TBH I should have been behind a VPN before
jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Corporate America over here committing piracy en masse.
DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 9 months ago
They have ways to block / identify VPNs.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
I think the point is that they can’t easilly track back to a specific client of a specific ISP instances of unlicensed downloading of copyrighted materials if they’re done behind a VPN.
Mind you, they can still easilly track it back to the VPN, so make sure you’re using a provider that puts privacy above all an is not based in countries like the US or UK.
hodgepodgin@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
I recommend AirVPN. Never had a problem w/ them & doesn’t require a special VPN client.
qaz@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I also use them but I often get blocked from sites when it’s on
RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Ditto.
Tower@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
Mullvad is the best $5 and change I spend each month.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
I love Mullvad and used them for years, but without port forwarding, they’re not the service you want for torrenting. Some alternatives like AirVPN or ProtonVPN are better suited for that stuff.
Before the haters jump in and tell me “it works fine fer me!” it’s only working because the user on the other end, like myself, have port forwarding set up. Since you don’t have it, you’ll never connect to anyone else like yourself nor will they be able to connect to you.
Of course there are alternatives like streaming and Usenet but there are tradeoffs no matter what you pick.
UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Is piracy AI scraping?
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
Pirate everything, death to the capitalists.
peteyestee@feddit.org 9 months ago
Get to the point that you don’t want their products. Stealing their stuff is like sporting brand name cloths and covering the logo.
Hawk17@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Dude - this is the truth. Thanks for giving me something to work towards.
yucandu@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Don’t they already do this in most of Europe?
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
and it works just as well there as it would in the us....
by which i mean it doesn't work
yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 9 months ago
Yeah it’s fucked up
yucandu@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Just do what we do in Canada. Send them threatening letters. It scares 90% of parents into telling their kids to knock that shit off, but they’re toothless and can’t actually do anything, and the remaining 10% still pirate away. Everyone’s happy.
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
ISPs already do that here in the states. The court case is to decide whether they should shut off access.
HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I can tell you that Mediacom cable will cut your service off for it, and you have to call in and get scolded before they turn it back on.
And, if it happens 3 times, your service is disconnected permanently.
Sabata11792@ani.social 9 months ago
I got one then another, then got a VPN…
Pacattack57@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I believe ISPs do not want to cut people off. All that does is push you to a competitor. They want to be able to hold you liable for damages
Pro@programming.dev 9 months ago
Better source: torrentfreak.com/supreme-court-grants-coxs-bid-to…
phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Then the AI companies that have openly used pirated stuff could also get disconnected lol. Of course business will be fine and individuals will get shafted who expects anything different nowadays.
ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
So all tech companies?
zer0bitz@lemmy.world 9 months ago
See you guys in I2P :)