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Supreme Court to decide whether ISPs must disconnect users accused of piracy

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Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨tonytins@pawb.social⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/06/supreme-court-to-decide-whether-isps-must-disconnect-users-accused-of-piracy/

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  • PanaX@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Based on that logic, ammunition and arms manufacturers should be held liable for damages as well.

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    • compostgoblin@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, but that would mean that logic has any bearing on what the Supreme Court decides to do

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      • huquad@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I hate that you’re absolutely correct

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    • ryper@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The US has a law to limit the liability of gun manufacturers.

      The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) is a U.S law, passed in 2005, that protects firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable when crimes have been committed with their products. Both arms manufacturers and dealers can still be held liable for damages resulting from defective products, breach of contract, criminal misconduct, and other actions for which they are directly responsible. However, they may be held liable for negligent entrustment if it is found that they had reason to believe a firearm was intended for use in a crime.

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      • Luffy879@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Because of fucking course there is

        Were talking about Jesusland after all

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    • masterofn001@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      More like, if you steal something you are banned from using roads and sidewalks and doors.

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      • NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yeah, sure but to “steal something” is to imply that you’re depriving the original owner use of the thing you stole. This is more like making an exact copy depriving nobody of use of the original thing.

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      • yggstyle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Gonna be a lot of issues that come from this. Legally speaking. It’s already on the books that an IP address doesn’t represent a single person… so I’m not terribly clear on how they plan to enforce this even if it were to pass.

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  • The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m not a judge, but isn’t internet essentially a utility these days? Cutting someone off because of piracy seems like cutting off electricity or water because they did something illegal with it.

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    • bitjunkie@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This would be the case had net neutrality not been killed off nearly a decade ago

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      • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Net neutrality is why your online jokes were censored under Biden

        – John McRacist, Republican congressman, former CFO of Evil Inc., former lawyer of Vile Ltd., member of Christofascism Society and Roman Salutes to Jesus

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    • Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Not even piracy. Accusations thereof.

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    • ryper@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m pretty sure this supreme court would rule that people don’t have a right to electricity, or even water. They’ll probably be totally ok with people losing internet access as punishment for crossing media owners.

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      • andros_rex@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        or even water

        Already did.

        We never stopped the “lol treaties with Native American tribes don’t count” bullshit.

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    • Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Pragmatically, yes. Legally, no. Progressives have been fighting for years to get internet classified as a utility in the US, and regressives and (ironically) internet companies have been fighting against that effort at every turn in the name of profit.

      And now look how well that’s turned out. Gee, if only some people had warned them that deregulation was a monkey’s paw…

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    • SillyDude@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Inb4 palantir cuts off your electric and water because you had 15% eye distraction during the mandatory 3hr nightly fox news viewing.

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      • jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        bottle water companies would love this, as would the oil giants

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    • flandish@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      accused piracy, too. Not proven. Not convicted. Just “pirate go bye bye.”

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    • A7thStone@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m some places in the States they will cut off your electricity or water for sharing with a neighbor that has had theirs shut off. I have seen both happen personally, and not in some back water state. They both happened in upstate NY.

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      • CandleTiger@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Cut off for sharing, or cut off for running illegal/unsafe/unlicensed wiring and plumbing connections?

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    • JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m not a United Statesian so I have no clue anymore how it works there, but other places have been making the case that the Internet is an essential service and that access to it is a basic right. So to leapfrog off your question, is that like a poor person stealing a loaf of bread being cut off from food because they didn’t food responsibly enough?

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      • BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Unfortunately the country I was born in, the USA, is also one that voted against the international resolution to define food as a human right. 😕

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      • jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        didn’t many European countries remove People’s hand for theft a few centuries ago?

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    • HubertManne@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      more importantly because of accused. Just accused.

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    • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They will cut off electricity if you do something illegal with it…

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  • DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If it’s upheld, that’s the precursor to full-blown info blackouts, just cut off internet to anyone ‘accused’ of wrongspeak against the powers that be, which is basically everyone.

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    • 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Oh, so like they do in the uncivilized middle-east?
      Naaaah

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      • DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Given the US is now ran by the New Fuhrer? I could see that happening.

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      • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Their uncivilized censorship regime vs. our civilized online child protection and anti-terror laws.

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  • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Being accused of will lose you access to basic infrastructure? Why not cut electricity too?

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    • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Don’t give them ideas. Next they’ll cut the blood stream to your brain.

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      • medicsofanarchy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Supreme Court: “One of us! One of us!”

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      • bitjunkie@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Pretty sure they’ve already done that by not regulating social media better

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    • rozodru@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      give it a few months, they’re working up to it.

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  • LovableSidekick@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Accused???

    Now just a second…

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    • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And OpenAI of course.

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      • Antagnostic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        But it’s not piracy if you use it for an LLM, right‽

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  • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I nominate we test with out with the Zuck and his networks.

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  • Brotha_Jaufrey@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This still won’t make me pay for Netflix

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    • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      But it will make me pay for VPNs!

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  • lepinkainen@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So if Meta is convicted of pirating books for AI training, they lose all internet connectivity? 🧐

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      dint they just rule AI can legally scrape/books, but not for people who are pirating directly.

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      • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The US is such a silly place. Everything is so wrong.

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      • lepinkainen@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        IIRC the judge said they could use the data for training, but specifically added that piracy is still piracy and he didn’t rule on that.

        So Disney can just sue Meta for one trillion 😀

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      • jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        so then individuals could just train a model locally on the shittiest hardware they have

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  • sturlabragason@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Here i am again doing my duty mullvad.net/en/why-privacy-matters

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    • PeachMan@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Protip for anyone unfamiliar: Mullvad really is the gold standard for a private VPN. If you just want to pirate shit and not get angry letters from your ISP, Nord or PIA will accomplish that. But if you REALLY want privacy, Mullvad is it.

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      • betweenthesixes@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        ⬆️

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      • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I personally prefer Proton. They seem to get blocked less often.

        (And yes I’m aware of the CEO controversy, he seems more like a Libertarian to me, not some right wing extremist)

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      • peoplebeproblems@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Idk why but the simplicity of it has me convinced and so far it works well.

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      • Luffy879@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        But if you need to pay for a „Media Flatrate“ anyway, and you have those 5€ a month, why not spend it for a good cause?

        (Also PIA and nord cost 12€ a month unless you sign their predatory 2 year contracts, so mullvad is just way better in that regard too)

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  • InFerNo@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “the internet” is a necessity and requirement to function in society. You can’t be denied access to it anymore, it would be disproportionate.

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    • Vinstaal0@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Pretty sure I have read somewhere that it is now also an official necessity in Germany

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      • Evil_Incarnate@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I think in Finland it is a basic utility like power and water. It is certainly priced like that.

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    • utopiah@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Exactly, sure disconnect customers from the Internet if they use it for entertainment… but once they use it to earn the income that pays their bills, it becomes questionable… and once it is in practice required to be a citizen, at the local, national or supra national level then it becomes a totally different question, to which the answer is basically no, you can’t disconnect someone otherwise you remove their citizenship.

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  • mesamunefire@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is how you get a new darknet.

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    • themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yep there is no way they can block I2P, they have to block all of it.

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    • jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      In Germany and no doubt some other countries, private law firms can (on behalf of the copyright holders) request people’s identity based on residential IP addresses and then send extortionist legal threats. Apparently an IP appearing on a public tracker can be enough to trigger it, without any confirmed data transfer.

      VPNs are common and usually sufficient.

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      • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        they try that in the US, using mass litigation, but it doesnt work, its usually designed to scare indivudal IP users to “turn them self in”

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      • LodeMike@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Don’t public trackers add random IPs?

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      • jownz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        A boy downloaded a movie via torrent without using a VPN.

        He died.

        Good night! 😴

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  • peoplebeproblems@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And now I’m on a VPN because if they’re just gonna cut people off for accusing of piracy they’re gonna have to cut off everyone with a VPN.

    TBH I should have been behind a VPN before

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    • Tower@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Mullvad is the best $5 and change I spend each month.

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      • CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I love Mullvad and used them for years, but without port forwarding, they’re not the service you want for torrenting. Some alternatives like AirVPN or ProtonVPN are better suited for that stuff.

        Before the haters jump in and tell me “it works fine fer me!” it’s only working because the user on the other end, like myself, have port forwarding set up. Since you don’t have it, you’ll never connect to anyone else like yourself nor will they be able to connect to you.

        Of course there are alternatives like streaming and Usenet but there are tradeoffs no matter what you pick.

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    • jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Corporate America over here committing piracy en masse.

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    • hodgepodgin@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I recommend AirVPN. Never had a problem w/ them & doesn’t require a special VPN client.

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      • RubberElectrons@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Ditto.

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      • qaz@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I also use them but I often get blocked from sites when it’s on

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    • DrDickHandler@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They have ways to block / identify VPNs.

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      • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I think the point is that they can’t easilly track back to a specific client of a specific ISP instances of unlicensed downloading of copyrighted materials if they’re done behind a VPN.

        Mind you, they can still easilly track it back to the VPN, so make sure you’re using a provider that puts privacy above all an is not based in countries like the US or UK.

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  • HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Pirate everything, death to the capitalists.

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    • peteyestee@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Get to the point that you don’t want their products. Stealing their stuff is like sporting brand name cloths and covering the logo.

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      • Hawk17@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Dude - this is the truth. Thanks for giving me something to work towards.

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  • samus12345@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    All public wifi will be disconnected pretty quickly.

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m not doing piracy, I’m just trading a lot of data packets with a Proton Server in Switzerland, nothing to see here 😉

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    • KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s like trading cards, gotta trade em all!

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  • altphoto@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    In the beginning we used to exchange cassettes. You would have a boombox with two cassettes. You would play one while you recorded on the other. Then you gave the cassette back to your friend. Next was the VCR with the big ass cassettes.

    Then you would do the same with floppies, then zip disks. Then one day CD recording was a thing, then DVDs. Then thumb drives and now portable HDDs. Basically the cheapest form or recording is always the most popular way for people to share stuff.

    The only ones who don’t want us to share are those who want to make millions by never innovating.

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  • sad_detective_man@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    let’s all fall on our sword to make sure Disney never loses a potential subscriber for Marvel Wars. Truly, we are defending the interests of the people here

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  • CallateCoyote@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Then pirates will just get smarter. No way for them to see who is watching all of these movies with their VPN and Debrid service.

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  • obsidianfoxxy7870@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The unproven claims is the key part here. Also the point of “terminating an account would punish every user in a household” is important as well.

    You can fine someone for piracy if you want. As long as they have the standard legal protections. But cutting access is excessive.

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  • Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    (Donald trump voice) “We should hold all food companys liable for users violent crimes, this man stabbed another man to death with a spoon! 30 minutes before he ate kraft mac and cheese. It gave him the energy to violently stab this innocent man”

    Lets hope they got common sense

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  • catty@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    lol, they’ll have no customers! ISPs used to send ‘warning’ letters to customers in England but that’s all.

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  • DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Lol.

    Do ISPs like making money?

    Then they shouldn’t disconnect users who pirate.

    I get notifications from my ISP all the time. They don’t do anything though because they like the money I give them.

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  • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    4G piracy hub go brrrrr? Go ahead, disconnect me. I will get another SIM and resume piracy.

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  • yucandu@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Just do what we do in Canada. Send them threatening letters. It scares 90% of parents into telling their kids to knock that shit off, but they’re toothless and can’t actually do anything, and the remaining 10% still pirate away. Everyone’s happy.

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  • zer0bitz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    See you guys in I2P :)

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  • MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    ha.

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  • ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Always make sure that QBT uses your VPN’s network interface. I got some DMCA emails despite split-tunneling a VPN recently, and I realized it was bound to all interfaces by default - that’s no good.

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  • PattyMcB@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What about legitimate torrented content? Are they going to outlaw the technology outright? Don’t plenty of legitimate downloads use torrents to speed up software updates and such?

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  • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    low key hope this happens.

    it’s gonna be fuckin funny to watch all IT in the US grind to a halt because everyone who WFH can’t work because their internet was cut off.

    then a week into mandatory office returns someone will get the whole datacenter cut off because they’re running torrents from their laptop.

    dumb fucks are going after the worst people to fuck with.

    • fieldworkers
    • women
    • gamers
    • IT support

    don’t fuck with IT. they know what filthy shit you watch from home.

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  • Pro@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Better source: torrentfreak.com/supreme-court-grants-coxs-bid-to…

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