Even with tariffs it’s still not financially viable to Apple to bring manufacturing to the U.S. and if they still decided to it would take 10to 15 years to get going. It ain’t gonna happen. Sad oompa-loompa.
Trump says a 25% tariff "must be paid by Apple" on iPhones not made in the US, says he told Tim Cook long ago that iPhones sold in the US must be made in the US
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NotAGamer@lemmy.org 2 months ago
RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 2 months ago
he’s extorting everyone it has nothing to do with tariffs
JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
It’s basically “lose a huge amount of money or do me favours that cost you 1/100 as much”. Surprise, surprise, they do the favours.
danc4498@lemmy.world 2 months ago
How many clearance lot jets can Apple provide? Maybe Apple TV wants to host a truth social media network?
dubyakay@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Trump is playing the long game (or long-con). Changing laws about presidential reelection is next. And then he may die next term, but the Pope-killer will take over his reins.
TachyonTele@lemm.ee 2 months ago
We could only be so lucky. I’m reality it’ll probably be Steven Miller.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Oompa loompa Trumpty Do, Donny is an idiot who flunked out of school. He is only know because of his daddy’s millions which he squandered like a stupid fool. Then one day television came to play. Donny sitting in his dirty run down office like a loser all day. They reinvented him as a successful business man, but the truth is he is a cuck with no fucking plan. Now this poser sits in the highest office of our land, shitting his pants and tweeting all day.
crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It sounds like he thinks the word “tariff” just means “payment”. Then he follows that with “[whoever he thinks should make the payment]”. Tariff by Apple, Tariff by China, etc. Honestly. I don’t know how else you can make it make sense.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
he makes it sound like the manufacturers pay the tarriff so his moron supporters think it’s a good idea.
hansolo@lemm.ee 2 months ago
All to try and flood the treasury so he can afford tax cuts he promised to donors.
Turns out running the government is hard and it sucks.
BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If Apple is the importer of record for its products, then it does incur and pay the tariff to the U.S. government. But obviously that gets passed along to consumers as no company will simply eat the cost.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s pretty clear what he wants. He wants WW3.
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He wants to consolidate manufacturing to make the US more self sufficient. The tariffs are simply a tool to designed to encourage local manufacturing.
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He wants to start dominating smaller countries just like Russia and China. As well as annexing neighbors. He wants to do what Hitler couldn’t. He wants to use the most powerful military in the world.
If he wants to go to war, then he’s probably going about things the right way. Historically, being reliant on other countries for your supply chain can be a huge liability in war. For example, we were in danger of losing WW2 because of a lack of access to rubber. We need it for boots and tires, and we got it all from South East Asia, our access to rubber was completely cut off by Japan, it was a huge problem until we developed synthetic (plastic) rubber. We literally wouldn’t have been able to put boots on the ground or vehicles on the road.
If we were to end up in a conflict with China for instance, we would lose access to a lot of high tech manufacturing, we suddenly wouldn’t be able to make new computers. That could be bad.
Anyway, the signs are all here, Hitler V2 wants to mobilize soon.
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pyre@lemmy.world 2 months ago
you fucking idiot, it’s NEVER EVER EVER coming to the US.
NEVER.
a 25% increase in cost is still MUCH more preferable to bringing all of that shit to the US. probably by orders of magnitude. can you even fathom (of course you can’t) what you would need to do to have a 100% American iphone?
let’s say you’re bringing the iphone manufacturing plant to the US. let’s even assume this move is subsidized so the new factory is going to cost only time.
the iphone isn’t put together from mere atoms. parts of it need to be manufactured first. there’s the screen, the glass, the aluminum case, several cameras, the battery, the ram, the storage, the CPU, the GPU, the receiver, accelerometer, gyroscope, etc etc… how much of that shit do you think is made in the USA?
so there’s tariffs an all of that. or to avoid them you need to make several new factories, and have other companies that provide these things also move their factories… and these factories don’t just have people create electronics by hand. you need machines. where do you think those are made? who makes them? so now you need the manufacturers of manufacturing robots to move their factories to the US.
and all these factories now employ people with much higher salaries.
all in all, a move like that would halt production for years and when it comes back every iphone would probably cost $47000.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
We don’t even have silicon availability. I don’t mean chips or printed boards, I mean processed quarts crushed into powder.
We would have to start opening strip mines and building massive furnaces and crushers and expanding railways. It’s just not feasible.
AA5B@lemmy.world 2 months ago
But we can just import some of the things we need as we build up the more valuable end of supply chains. I’m sure they’ve thought of that and there are no tariffs impeding those prerequisites, right? Right?
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 months ago
It’s because Donald can’t envisage the supply chain for anything more complex than a Trump flag or a MAGA hat.
In his mind, housewives can be knocking iPhones out in Bumfuck, Mississippi.
Madison420@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Fun you should bring up his merch because literally all of it is Chinese or Indian produced.
OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I drove all over that state looking for Bumfuck and never found it. Pretty ornery bunch, too…
daellat@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If that… I imagine they were white label products so not even those taught him anything
chaosCruiser@futurology.today 2 months ago
Based on the numbers from Purism, it could be a lot more than 25% more expensive to manufacture everything in USA. Purims Librem 5 costs 799 $, while the made-in-America version costs 1999 $. That’s roughly a 2.5x difference. Obviously, economies of scale play a role too but let’s assume that the same factor applies to iPhones too. If so, the fanciest iPhone would cost about 4000 $.
pyre@lemmy.world 2 months ago
too lazy to check but does the “made in America” version have all its parts also made in America? coz i doubt it. if not, reach and every part made outside the US would also get tariffed.
AA5B@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Ts the entire supply chain that’s the problem. I keep reading stories about Apple pre-buying the entire output of factories for multiple years. For the thousands of parts in a modern phone, how do you expect entire parts industries to spring up overnight on the scale that Apple sells phones? Then entire resource and tooling chains to support those? And we’re making it even more impossible with blindly applying tariffs everywhere so you couldn’t even get established
Dlayknee@lemmy.world 2 months ago
John Oliver did a segment on this about a month ago, but yeah, you just nailed it.
pyre@lemmy.world 2 months ago
damn it’s been a while since I’ve watched him. it’s just all been current events lately and even though I’m keeping up with the news, i couldn’t watch him because the way his show covers things usually make things much more depressing. I’ve instead been venting here and shit. I’m gonna have to catch up though eventually, it’s still very informative.
atlien51@lemm.ee 2 months ago
🫢
Bro really went off on him…
Maverick604@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
THIS IS WHY TARIFFS NEVER WORK. In the long term tariffs actually encourage manufacturing to leave the country charging tariffs, not move manufacturing there. It’s much cheaper to pay the tariffs once, on the final product, than to pay the tariffs on every part that is required moving back and forth across an “imaginary line” (border in Trump-speak).
None of Trump’s tariff bolstering hurts Apple at all. They are a global company and can easily adjust around the asinine policies of America for a few years. Americans will get sick of paying a minimum of 25% more for EVERYTHING, while the rest of the world continues on as if nothing happened. Eventually Americans will see that the rest of the world has all the nice things and they’ve become a self imposed Soviet-era block country that has nothing and has to line up for toilet paper, and they’ll be right pissed. Until then, enjoy your delusion. 👏
toddestan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The other problem with moving manufacturing due to tariffs is that tariffs can always be changed, whereas moving manufacturing is a longer term investment that can cost millions, if not billions when it comes to things like chip fabs. No one wants to make an investment like that, only to have their investment suddenly become worthless because some politician decided to change how the tariffs work.
Trump’s idiotic and constant flip-flopping on these tariffs have completely destroyed any chance of them actually accomplishing anything, because no one is going to move a factory to the US when Trump can and will change his mind based upon a whim or whoever is whispering in his ear that moment.
pyre@lemmy.world 2 months ago
tariffs could work if you’re not the US. the problem is the US doesn’t make anything.
for normal countries you could use tariffs to encourage products made inside the country. but for that to haopen:
- you need the products to already be manufactured inside the country
- you need to have targeted tariffs that apply specifically to those products and not blanket tariffs that would apply to each and every part of product, which would make it infinitely more expensive to manufacture inside the country than outside.
so for example if your country has a decent production of bananas but people for some reason prefer to buy imported bananas way more than homemade ones, you might have some tariffs on bananas to try and reduce waste.
for that to be effective, you can’t also have tariffs on soil, farming equipment and whatnot that might be going into your homemade potato production. otherwise you’d have homemade potatoes more expensive then imported ones.
JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Most of the Iphone is not Chinese, the screens are made by Samsung in Korea, and the chips are from Taiwan. Only the fiddly final assembly is done in China.
Detren@lemm.ee 2 months ago
But he wants it all American. Not just non-Chinese.
pyre@lemmy.world 2 months ago
this is not about china
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 2 months ago
And they’d still need to maintain their non-US factories due to the retaliatory tariffs many countries are putting on US products.
OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That McGee book is pretty startling. $55B USD per year for how many years to develop plant and expertise in China over the past decade or two and that’s going to be reversed how exactly?
I mean, if the US can swing it, good for them, but it’s a bit like asking parents to produce Usain Bolt immediately or pay 25% higher income tax.
AA5B@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Plus a consistent supportive economic policy. I haven’t read the book to know what’s included in that $55B, but I know it’s been a long term effort and no business will try to build such capability in chaos and personality cults.
Republicans talk about being best for business is sort of like their “family values”: mostly talk, mostly opposite
TorJansen@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I see the problem here. He’s talking to Tim Cook, who’s CEO of some cooking company. He needs to talk to Tim Apple.
jim3692@discuss.online 2 months ago
He’s actually cooking apple pies. Or is it called baking? Is it Tim Bake?
AA5B@lemmy.world 2 months ago
No, tim doesn’t get baked, but we’re planning on it tonight
ksh@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I want to elect Pine for the next CEO
Primax@lemmy.world 2 months ago
And009@lemmynsfw.com 2 months ago
Made in India + 25% tariff is still cheaper than made in Murica.
That BS is just for media.
slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 2 months ago
And it’s actually usable.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Tbf the labor will be done by the minorities and undesirables they will keep throwing in prison without due process
HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months ago
What the hell is with the “Thank you for your attention to this matter?”
You’re shitposting to a global media audience, not politely asking Facilities to restock the vending machine with Snickers bars.
Are you just in full Business Guy Autocomplete mode? A Bigly Language Model?
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That bothers me too. It’s the business equivalent of " do what I say. I don’t want to have to help. Go fuck yourself"
dwindling7373@feddit.it 2 months ago
Thank your*
Asafum@feddit.nl 2 months ago
He’s been doing it a lot lately, it’s so absurd…
captainastronaut@seattlelunarsociety.org 2 months ago
Maybe he secretly died and they are using grok to write his tweets.
Mac@mander.xyz 2 months ago
Facilities doesn’t stock the machines, the machine company it itself or contracts a third party.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
“Rock over London, Rock on Chicago”
NutWrench@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Once again. Companies do NOT pay tariffs. They pass on those costs of those tariffs to their customers. YOU are gonna pay that extra 25% not Apple.
hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
that’s fine. iphones are so cheap, people can handle even 50% tariffs. apple is worth every penny /s.
going to buy a cmf phone 2 now…
hddsx@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Who is Tim Cook of Apple? Why does it sound like Trump is talking about Tim Apple?
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Killing Biden’s CHIPs act certainly didn’t help that cause.
socsa@piefed.social 2 months ago
Can you imagine if Joe Biden said shit like "I'm going to make your pleb shit more expensive because I refuse to just admit a mistake and therefore will double down on my bad policy."
vala@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I wonder if he knows apple simply can not comply with this. Apple doesn’t know how to make iPhones (at the scale and rate needed) and no one in the US does either.
RIP
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months ago
I bet Tim Apple is really happy about his large donation to the Trump inauguration.
Then again, if you’re that rich, maybe having some intelligence and foresight should be an expectation. If you don’t have those things, maybe you shouldn’t be rich.
MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 2 months ago
This isn’t about making Apple make iPhones in the US. This is a 25% tax on everyday Americans that the fascists will blame on Apple for not making iPhones in the US and use to give tax breaks to the rich. Trump and his cabal are reverse Robin Hooding the American people and 70 million of them are lining up to lick his boots for it.
Railcar8095@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Thanks God he clarified he’s talking about Tim Cook of Apple, for a moment I thought he was speaking about my neighbor from downstairs.
RangerJosey@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Ironfist@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
This is what you get for bending down to the tyrant in inauguration day. You cant appease tyrants, you must fight them.
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
But, but, but… I thought the foreign governments paid the tariffs? /s just in case
Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 months ago
He still has absolutely no clue how tariffs work. Amazing for someone who throws them left and right without thinking. Although the latter might explain it.
Lexam@lemmy.world 2 months ago
All those hours spent on that tiny screw game is finally going to pay off!
foodconsumer@lemmy.world 2 months ago
iPhones not iPhone’s… Who let this idiot be in charge of anybody? Did he even go to school?
carlossurf@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Good fuck apple they probably donated to trump
MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You can know the impact of what the tariffs would be by looking at Purism. They sell a Linux phone for $800. If you want the same phone built in the US, they charge $2000.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Well, technically, any kind of tariff added to the import is always paid by Apple, who else would pay it? Some unrelated company? A foreign country?
They will simply increase the price by an amount that will keep them making the same amount of money. The main problem is that because they like to do a round price worldwide, we European we’ll pay more too, so they can make more money. Assholes
k0e3@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Such smol govment
collapse_already@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Will the US factories have suicide nets too, or is that reserved for Taiwan?
Nocomment@reddthat.com 2 months ago
An extra 25% must be paid by consumers. Like every other tariff. New taxes be like that.
tartarin@lemm.ee 2 months ago
This is actually a real socialist or even communist policy. The State controlling the businesses.
UndergroundGoblin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Step 1. Add Tarrifs. Step 2. Wait till the share price falls. Step 3. Buy in low. Step 4. Lift the tariffs again. Step 5. Wait till the share price rises. Step 6. Profit.
SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 2 months ago
In British slang if you fart we sometimes say you Trump, or Trumpet. Can we refer to Trumps posts and speeches as Trumpets?
Loduz_247@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Trump has become schizophrenic again.
Sunsofold@lemmings.world 2 months ago
Trump has a lot that seems might be wrong with him, but schizophrenia never really seemed to be on the list. Narcissism, dementia, psycho-/socio-pathy, compulsive lying, and possibly more, but I’ve never gotten the feeling he displayed the hyperpatternicity I associate with schizophrenia.
Ulrich@feddit.org 2 months ago
Honestly he sounds like just about every old man I’ve ever met, rambling on about whatever nonsense is running through his head at the moment.
Gigasser@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Sigh…at least Apple is getting screwed over though. They’ve been impeding right to repair for a long time, perhaps their karmic debt is finally catching up to them.
sidtirouluca@lemm.ee 2 months ago
4 more years of this comedy over there, im laughing too much already! xD
RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 2 months ago
it’s not very funny
JudahBenHur@lemm.ee 2 months ago
it effects the entire world pal, just cause its not visibly right outside your front door doesnt mean youre above it
also, being smug is a shitty look
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
are you going to keep laughing when he extorts another world leader of a country Russia is invading?
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
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SattaRIP@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Let’s not armchair diagnose people, please.
TurnOnTheSunflower@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I think you suffer from anti armchair diagnosis.
aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social 2 months ago
It’s always disappointing to see how much people on here hate people with mental disabilities. Under no circumstances would anyone be OK with comparing Donald Trump to another minority. I think even insulting him by calling him fat is perceived as too gauche. But ableism? 100% OK by most of Lemmy.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I think I will. Thanks for your input though.
sepi@piefed.social 2 months ago
Let's. And don't tell us what to do.
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
You’re right. There’s absolutely no evidence of Trump being not of sound mind.
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Yeah I don’t like the sort of sanism it often implies.
Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Thank you for your attention to this matter