Once again. Companies do NOT pay tariffs. They pass on those costs of those tariffs to their customers. YOU are gonna pay that extra 25% not Apple.
Trump says a 25% tariff "must be paid by Apple" on iPhones not made in the US, says he told Tim Cook long ago that iPhones sold in the US must be made in the US
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NutWrench@lemmy.world 8 minutes ago
MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
This isn’t about making Apple make iPhones in the US. This is a 25% tax on everyday Americans that the fascists will blame on Apple for not making iPhones in the US and use to give tax breaks to the rich. Trump and his cabal are reverse Robin Hooding the American people and 70 million of them are lining up to lick his boots for it.
Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
He still has absolutely no clue how tariffs work. Amazing for someone who throws them left and right without thinking. Although the latter might explain it.
slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 41 minutes ago
It blows my mind when people say he has a reason for his tarriffs and it’s about enrichen his friends. He’s braindead and tarriffs is just the new word he learned. Tim Apple is gonna be mad.
vala@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I wonder if he knows apple simply can not comply with this. Apple doesn’t know how to make iPhones (at the scale and rate needed) and no one in the US does either.
RIP
Primax@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Tbf the labor will be done by the minorities and undesirables they will keep throwing in prison without due process
And009@lemmynsfw.com 8 hours ago
Made in India + 25% tariff is still cheaper than made in Murica.
That BS is just for media.
slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 40 minutes ago
And it’s actually usable.
Loduz_247@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Trump has become schizophrenic again.
Sunsofold@lemmings.world 21 hours ago
Trump has a lot that seems might be wrong with him, but schizophrenia never really seemed to be on the list. Narcissism, dementia, psycho-/socio-pathy, compulsive lying, and possibly more, but I’ve never gotten the feeling he displayed the hyperpatternicity I associate with schizophrenia.
Ulrich@feddit.org 20 hours ago
Honestly he sounds like just about every old man I’ve ever met, rambling on about whatever nonsense is running through his head at the moment.
Gigasser@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Sigh…at least Apple is getting screwed over though. They’ve been impeding right to repair for a long time, perhaps their karmic debt is finally catching up to them.
sidtirouluca@lemm.ee 1 day ago
4 more years of this comedy over there, im laughing too much already! xD
JudahBenHur@lemm.ee 21 hours ago
it effects the entire world pal, just cause its not visibly right outside your front door doesnt mean youre above it
also, being smug is a shitty look
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
are you going to keep laughing when he extorts another world leader of a country Russia is invading?
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 23 hours ago
SattaRIP@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 hours ago
Let’s not armchair diagnose people, please.
TurnOnTheSunflower@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
I think you suffer from anti armchair diagnosis.
aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social 22 hours ago
It’s always disappointing to see how much people on here hate people with mental disabilities. Under no circumstances would anyone be OK with comparing Donald Trump to another minority. I think even insulting him by calling him fat is perceived as too gauche. But ableism? 100% OK by most of Lemmy.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
I think I will. Thanks for your input though.
sepi@piefed.social 23 hours ago
Let's. And don't tell us what to do.
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 22 hours ago
You’re right. There’s absolutely no evidence of Trump being not of sound mind.
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 hours ago
Yeah I don’t like the sort of sanism it often implies.
Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Thank you for your attention to this matter
TorJansen@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
I see the problem here. He’s talking to Tim Cook, who’s CEO of some cooking company. He needs to talk to Tim Apple.
jim3692@discuss.online 14 hours ago
He’s actually cooking apple pies. Or is it called baking? Is it Tim Bake?
ksh@lemm.ee 13 hours ago
I want to elect Pine for the next CEO
pyre@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
you fucking idiot, it’s NEVER EVER EVER coming to the US.
NEVER.
a 25% increase in cost is still MUCH more preferable to bringing all of that shit to the US. probably by orders of magnitude. can you even fathom (of course you can’t) what you would need to do to have a 100% American iphone?
let’s say you’re bringing the iphone manufacturing plant to the US. let’s even assume this move is subsidized so the new factory is going to cost only time.
the iphone isn’t put together from mere atoms. parts of it need to be manufactured first. there’s the screen, the glass, the aluminum case, several cameras, the battery, the ram, the storage, the CPU, the GPU, the receiver, accelerometer, gyroscope, etc etc… how much of that shit do you think is made in the USA?
so there’s tariffs an all of that. or to avoid them you need to make several new factories, and have other companies that provide these things also move their factories… and these factories don’t just have people create electronics by hand. you need machines. where do you think those are made? who makes them? so now you need the manufacturers of manufacturing robots to move their factories to the US.
and all these factories now employ people with much higher salaries.
all in all, a move like that would halt production for years and when it comes back every iphone would probably cost $47000.
Maverick604@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
THIS IS WHY TARIFFS NEVER WORK. In the long term tariffs actually encourage manufacturing to leave the country charging tariffs, not move manufacturing there. It’s much cheaper to pay the tariffs once, on the final product, than to pay the tariffs on every part that is required moving back and forth across an “imaginary line” (border in Trump-speak).
None of Trump’s tariff bolstering hurts Apple at all. They are a global company and can easily adjust around the asinine policies of America for a few years. Americans will get sick of paying a minimum of 25% more for EVERYTHING, while the rest of the world continues on as if nothing happened. Eventually Americans will see that the rest of the world has all the nice things and they’ve become a self imposed Soviet-era block country that has nothing and has to line up for toilet paper, and they’ll be right pissed. Until then, enjoy your delusion. 👏
pyre@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
tariffs could work if you’re not the US. the problem is the US doesn’t make anything.
for normal countries you could use tariffs to encourage products made inside the country. but for that to haopen:
- you need the products to already be manufactured inside the country
- you need to have targeted tariffs that apply specifically to those products and not blanket tariffs that would apply to each and every part of product, which would make it infinitely more expensive to manufacture inside the country than outside.
so for example if your country has a decent production of bananas but people for some reason prefer to buy imported bananas way more than homemade ones, you might have some tariffs on bananas to try and reduce waste.
for that to be effective, you can’t also have tariffs on soil, farming equipment and whatnot that might be going into your homemade potato production. otherwise you’d have homemade potatoes more expensive then imported ones.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 17 hours ago
It’s because Donald can’t envisage the supply chain for anything more complex than a Trump flag or a MAGA hat.
In his mind, housewives can be knocking iPhones out in Bumfuck, Mississippi.
Madison420@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Fun you should bring up his merch because literally all of it is Chinese or Indian produced.
OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
I drove all over that state looking for Bumfuck and never found it. Pretty ornery bunch, too…
daellat@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
If that… I imagine they were white label products so not even those taught him anything
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
We don’t even have silicon availability. I don’t mean chips or printed boards, I mean processed quarts crushed into powder.
We would have to start opening strip mines and building massive furnaces and crushers and expanding railways. It’s just not feasible.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today 16 hours ago
Based on the numbers from Purism, it could be a lot more than 25% more expensive to manufacture everything in USA. Purims Librem 5 costs 799 $, while the made-in-America version costs 1999 $. That’s roughly a 2.5x difference. Obviously, economies of scale play a role too but let’s assume that the same factor applies to iPhones too. If so, the fanciest iPhone would cost about 4000 $.
pyre@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
too lazy to check but does the “made in America” version have all its parts also made in America? coz i doubt it. if not, reach and every part made outside the US would also get tariffed.
Dlayknee@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
John Oliver did a segment on this about a month ago, but yeah, you just nailed it.
pyre@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
damn it’s been a while since I’ve watched him. it’s just all been current events lately and even though I’m keeping up with the news, i couldn’t watch him because the way his show covers things usually make things much more depressing. I’ve instead been venting here and shit. I’m gonna have to catch up though eventually, it’s still very informative.
JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Most of the Iphone is not Chinese, the screens are made by Samsung in Korea, and the chips are from Taiwan. Only the fiddly final assembly is done in China.
Detren@lemm.ee 7 hours ago
But he wants it all American. Not just non-Chinese.
pyre@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
this is not about china
atlien51@lemm.ee 15 hours ago
🫢
Bro really went off on him…
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
And they’d still need to maintain their non-US factories due to the retaliatory tariffs many countries are putting on US products.
OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
That McGee book is pretty startling. $55B USD per year for how many years to develop plant and expertise in China over the past decade or two and that’s going to be reversed how exactly?
I mean, if the US can swing it, good for them, but it’s a bit like asking parents to produce Usain Bolt immediately or pay 25% higher income tax.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Well, technically, any kind of tariff added to the import is always paid by Apple, who else would pay it? Some unrelated company? A foreign country?
They will simply increase the price by an amount that will keep them making the same amount of money. The main problem is that because they like to do a round price worldwide, we European we’ll pay more too, so they can make more money. Assholes
SoGrumpy@lemmy.ml 5 hours ago
Don’t buy Apple. Problem solved. I will not accept arguments about ‘but the eco-system blah-blah’
Sticks Fingers in ears lalalalalala
Iambus@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Then don’t buy it duh.
Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
If Apple can push the price further into the thousands won’t Samsung, etc follow anyway?
People thought a phone that was $1000 would never sell, Apple came out with the pro models and now here we are with the high end models all being a thousand plus.
Flukas88@feddit.it 6 hours ago
We can always respond with our money and not buy an iPhone
NotAGamer@lemmy.org 1 day ago
Even with tariffs it’s still not financially viable to Apple to bring manufacturing to the U.S. and if they still decided to it would take 10to 15 years to get going. It ain’t gonna happen. Sad oompa-loompa.
RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 1 day ago
he’s extorting everyone it has nothing to do with tariffs
JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 23 hours ago
It’s basically “lose a huge amount of money or do me favours that cost you 1/100 as much”. Surprise, surprise, they do the favours.
danc4498@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
How many clearance lot jets can Apple provide? Maybe Apple TV wants to host a truth social media network?
dubyakay@lemmy.ca 23 hours ago
Trump is playing the long game (or long-con). Changing laws about presidential reelection is next. And then he may die next term, but the Pope-killer will take over his reins.
TachyonTele@lemm.ee 23 hours ago
We could only be so lucky. I’m reality it’ll probably be Steven Miller.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Oompa loompa Trumpty Do, Donny is an idiot who flunked out of school. He is only know because of his daddy’s millions which he squandered like a stupid fool. Then one day television came to play. Donny sitting in his dirty run down office like a loser all day. They reinvented him as a successful business man, but the truth is he is a cuck with no fucking plan. Now this poser sits in the highest office of our land, shitting his pants and tweeting all day.
crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
It sounds like he thinks the word “tariff” just means “payment”. Then he follows that with “[whoever he thinks should make the payment]”. Tariff by Apple, Tariff by China, etc. Honestly. I don’t know how else you can make it make sense.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 56 minutes ago
It’s pretty clear what he wants. He wants WW3.
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He wants to consolidate manufacturing to make the US more self sufficient. The tariffs are simply a tool to designed to encourage local manufacturing.
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He wants to start dominating smaller countries just like Russia and China. As well as annexing neighbors. He wants to do what Hitler couldn’t. He wants to use the most powerful military in the world.
If he wants to go to war, then he’s probably going about things the right way. Historically, being reliant on other countries for your supply chain can be a huge liability in war. For example, we were in danger of losing WW2 because of a lack of access to rubber. We need it for boots and tires, and we got it all from South East Asia, our access to rubber was completely cut off by Japan, it was a huge problem until we developed synthetic (plastic) rubber. We literally wouldn’t have been able to put boots on the ground or vehicles on the road.
If we were to end up in a conflict with China for instance, we would lose access to a lot of high tech manufacturing, we suddenly wouldn’t be able to make new computers. That could be bad.
Anyway, the signs are all here, Hitler V2 wants to mobilize soon.
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acosmichippo@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
he makes it sound like the manufacturers pay the tarriff so his moron supporters think it’s a good idea.
hansolo@lemm.ee 22 hours ago
All to try and flood the treasury so he can afford tax cuts he promised to donors.
Turns out running the government is hard and it sucks.
BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
If Apple is the importer of record for its products, then it does incur and pay the tariff to the U.S. government. But obviously that gets passed along to consumers as no company will simply eat the cost.
Ironfist@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
This is what you get for bending down to the tyrant in inauguration day. You cant appease tyrants, you must fight them.
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
Killing Biden’s CHIPs act certainly didn’t help that cause.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 hours ago
He will kill and reinatate it to sell it as his oqn doing.
Obviously guided by his counselers and consultants.MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Oh, like NAFTA!
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Problem is that it had bidens sign on it, so he was forced to kill it without even taking care of its contents
Vikthor@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
No he wasn’t. It’s just because of his his pride and idiocy that he thinks he was.
foodconsumer@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
iPhones not iPhone’s… Who let this idiot be in charge of anybody? Did he even go to school?
carlossurf@lemmy.ca 10 hours ago
Good fuck apple they probably donated to trump
Nocomment@reddthat.com 9 hours ago
An extra 25% must be paid by consumers. Like every other tariff. New taxes be like that.
k0e3@lemmy.ca 11 hours ago
Such smol govment
socsa@piefed.social 18 hours ago
Can you imagine if Joe Biden said shit like "I'm going to make your pleb shit more expensive because I refuse to just admit a mistake and therefore will double down on my bad policy."
HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 23 hours ago
What the hell is with the “Thank you for your attention to this matter?”
You’re shitposting to a global media audience, not politely asking Facilities to restock the vending machine with Snickers bars.
Are you just in full Business Guy Autocomplete mode? A Bigly Language Model?
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 19 hours ago
I bet Tim Apple is really happy about his large donation to the Trump inauguration.
Then again, if you’re that rich, maybe having some intelligence and foresight should be an expectation. If you don’t have those things, maybe you shouldn’t be rich.
MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
You can know the impact of what the tariffs would be by looking at Purism. They sell a Linux phone for $800. If you want the same phone built in the US, they charge $2000.
hddsx@lemmy.ca 21 hours ago
Who is Tim Cook of Apple? Why does it sound like Trump is talking about Tim Apple?
Litebit@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
It is paid by consumers, not Apple. Other phone companies will raise prices as well to increase their profits, since iPhone prices will set a new high price.
tartarin@lemm.ee 12 hours ago
This is actually a real socialist or even communist policy. The State controlling the businesses.
Vari@lemm.ee 13 hours ago
It would take MINIMUM 10 years to even come close to like 60% manufactured in US. And that’s assuming the US upends the entire global tech industry by coming even kind of close to TSMC’s chip manufacturing tech.
cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Tim Apple could just buy him a fucking plane and be done with it.
Formfiller@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Failed business man telling people how to run their businesses
frog_brawler@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
What a fucking idiot
Railcar8095@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Thanks God he clarified he’s talking about Tim Cook of Apple, for a moment I thought he was speaking about my neighbor from downstairs.
NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 3 minutes ago
This past Monday, John Stewart of The Daily Show interviewed Patrick Mcgee who discussed the jaw-dropping amount’s of money Apple spent building out Chinese electronics supply chains. -It makes for an interesting case if true.