Apple should just not sell them in the US then.
Trump says a 25% tariff "must be paid by Apple" on iPhones not made in the US, says he told Tim Cook long ago that iPhones sold in the US must be made in the US
Submitted 10 months ago by Pro@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
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Neuromorph@lemm.ee 10 months ago
MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Profiteers foregoing the largest source of profit? Not likely.
barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Looks like Apple is balking at paying the required bribe.
fox2263@lemmy.world 10 months ago
How long ago?
MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world 10 months ago
You can know the impact of what the tariffs would be by looking at Purism. They sell a Linux phone for $800. If you want the same phone built in the US, they charge $2000.
tempest@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
It really depends on what Trump means by " built in the US". It won’t be that big of a jump if Apple is just assembling them there. If every component has to come from the US it’s likely impossible.
Apple is vertically integrated in a way many companies are not. It would be bad for them for sure but they already have really high profit margins. They could eat the cost and assemble in the US, but they won’t because they are already a velban good.
ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Do it to everyone, I dare you. Nerds get heated. Please it will end sooner for him.
burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 10 months ago
i feel like there are many nerds that voted for him
SulaymanF@lemmy.world 10 months ago
That’s just the loudest voices, not the majority.
ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 10 months ago
More like didn’t vote at all
TorJansen@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
I see the problem here. He’s talking to Tim Cook, who’s CEO of some cooking company. He needs to talk to Tim Apple.
ksh@lemm.ee 10 months ago
I want to elect Pine for the next CEO
jim3692@discuss.online 10 months ago
He’s actually cooking apple pies. Or is it called baking? Is it Tim Bake?
AA5B@lemmy.world 10 months ago
No, tim doesn’t get baked, but we’re planning on it tonight
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Krasnov fails to realize the shareholders hold the power to decide manufacturing sites.
superminerJG@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Trump on his way to make Android phones more popular (they’re not as highly tariffed)
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Why isn’t Samsung or Motorola highly tariffed? It’s the same, right?
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Apple is more or less getting individually tariffed because stupid.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Making America great again by increasing Samsung’s market share.
mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 10 months ago
you know how trolls respond in games or everywhere online? Exactly like this. Did Don forget to breath while writing that run-on sentence?
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
The goal is fine but that isn’t anywhere near enough to force production into the US
muusemuuse@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Coming this fall: the new iPhone Republican edition (iPhone RE)
-cheaper construction and materials, yet somehow features a higher price tag -tons of backdoors (this time, intentional) -only connects to approved propaganda sites -reports all biometric data to the GOP -zaps you whenever it detects a thought the party dislikes -integrates with neurolink (not optional, you sick deviant)
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
iPhone XR
Xitter [R-Slur] Edition
Or
Xenophobic Recession Edition
mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 10 months ago
camera moves to the right. Plus, you cant swipe left anymore and only swipe right
DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I oppose tariffs, but I’m also somewhat indifferent to the fortunes of Apple.
socsa@piefed.social 10 months ago
Can you imagine if Joe Biden said shit like "I'm going to make your pleb shit more expensive because I refuse to just admit a mistake and therefore will double down on my bad policy."
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Lol Biden is the type of person who would order a burger, then the retaurant brings him a salad and then he’s like 🤷♂️ well I guess I’m having a salad, I can’t confront people, norms and traditions
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
And it would be amazing to still have the senile cancerous old man over the demented lying sack of shit. But regardless pointing out the sycophantic double standards of his nasty idiotic supporters and theur never ending bad faith is a good reminder that western democracy has been deathly wounded by the corrupt elite and the intellectually lazy populace.
AlpacaChariot@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Given recent revelations, more like he’d just assume that’s what he ordered and eat it.
pyre@lemmy.world 10 months ago
you fucking idiot, it’s NEVER EVER EVER coming to the US.
NEVER.
a 25% increase in cost is still MUCH more preferable to bringing all of that shit to the US. probably by orders of magnitude. can you even fathom (of course you can’t) what you would need to do to have a 100% American iphone?
let’s say you’re bringing the iphone manufacturing plant to the US. let’s even assume this move is subsidized so the new factory is going to cost only time.
the iphone isn’t put together from mere atoms. parts of it need to be manufactured first. there’s the screen, the glass, the aluminum case, several cameras, the battery, the ram, the storage, the CPU, the GPU, the receiver, accelerometer, gyroscope, etc etc… how much of that shit do you think is made in the USA?
so there’s tariffs an all of that. or to avoid them you need to make several new factories, and have other companies that provide these things also move their factories… and these factories don’t just have people create electronics by hand. you need machines. where do you think those are made? who makes them? so now you need the manufacturers of manufacturing robots to move their factories to the US.
and all these factories now employ people with much higher salaries.
all in all, a move like that would halt production for years and when it comes back every iphone would probably cost $47000.
Maverick604@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
THIS IS WHY TARIFFS NEVER WORK. In the long term tariffs actually encourage manufacturing to leave the country charging tariffs, not move manufacturing there. It’s much cheaper to pay the tariffs once, on the final product, than to pay the tariffs on every part that is required moving back and forth across an “imaginary line” (border in Trump-speak).
None of Trump’s tariff bolstering hurts Apple at all. They are a global company and can easily adjust around the asinine policies of America for a few years. Americans will get sick of paying a minimum of 25% more for EVERYTHING, while the rest of the world continues on as if nothing happened. Eventually Americans will see that the rest of the world has all the nice things and they’ve become a self imposed Soviet-era block country that has nothing and has to line up for toilet paper, and they’ll be right pissed. Until then, enjoy your delusion. 👏
toddestan@lemmy.world 10 months ago
The other problem with moving manufacturing due to tariffs is that tariffs can always be changed, whereas moving manufacturing is a longer term investment that can cost millions, if not billions when it comes to things like chip fabs. No one wants to make an investment like that, only to have their investment suddenly become worthless because some politician decided to change how the tariffs work.
Trump’s idiotic and constant flip-flopping on these tariffs have completely destroyed any chance of them actually accomplishing anything, because no one is going to move a factory to the US when Trump can and will change his mind based upon a whim or whoever is whispering in his ear that moment.
pyre@lemmy.world 10 months ago
tariffs could work if you’re not the US. the problem is the US doesn’t make anything.
for normal countries you could use tariffs to encourage products made inside the country. but for that to haopen:
- you need the products to already be manufactured inside the country
- you need to have targeted tariffs that apply specifically to those products and not blanket tariffs that would apply to each and every part of product, which would make it infinitely more expensive to manufacture inside the country than outside.
so for example if your country has a decent production of bananas but people for some reason prefer to buy imported bananas way more than homemade ones, you might have some tariffs on bananas to try and reduce waste.
for that to be effective, you can’t also have tariffs on soil, farming equipment and whatnot that might be going into your homemade potato production. otherwise you’d have homemade potatoes more expensive then imported ones.
JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Most of the Iphone is not Chinese, the screens are made by Samsung in Korea, and the chips are from Taiwan. Only the fiddly final assembly is done in China.
Detren@lemm.ee 10 months ago
But he wants it all American. Not just non-Chinese.
pyre@lemmy.world 10 months ago
this is not about china
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 10 months ago
And they’d still need to maintain their non-US factories due to the retaliatory tariffs many countries are putting on US products.
atlien51@lemm.ee 10 months ago
🫢
Bro really went off on him…
OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 10 months ago
That McGee book is pretty startling. $55B USD per year for how many years to develop plant and expertise in China over the past decade or two and that’s going to be reversed how exactly?
I mean, if the US can swing it, good for them, but it’s a bit like asking parents to produce Usain Bolt immediately or pay 25% higher income tax.
AA5B@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Plus a consistent supportive economic policy. I haven’t read the book to know what’s included in that $55B, but I know it’s been a long term effort and no business will try to build such capability in chaos and personality cults.
Republicans talk about being best for business is sort of like their “family values”: mostly talk, mostly opposite
chaosCruiser@futurology.today 10 months ago
Based on the numbers from Purism, it could be a lot more than 25% more expensive to manufacture everything in USA. Purims Librem 5 costs 799 $, while the made-in-America version costs 1999 $. That’s roughly a 2.5x difference. Obviously, economies of scale play a role too but let’s assume that the same factor applies to iPhones too. If so, the fanciest iPhone would cost about 4000 $.
AA5B@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Ts the entire supply chain that’s the problem. I keep reading stories about Apple pre-buying the entire output of factories for multiple years. For the thousands of parts in a modern phone, how do you expect entire parts industries to spring up overnight on the scale that Apple sells phones? Then entire resource and tooling chains to support those? And we’re making it even more impossible with blindly applying tariffs everywhere so you couldn’t even get established
pyre@lemmy.world 10 months ago
too lazy to check but does the “made in America” version have all its parts also made in America? coz i doubt it. if not, reach and every part made outside the US would also get tariffed.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 10 months ago
It’s because Donald can’t envisage the supply chain for anything more complex than a Trump flag or a MAGA hat.
In his mind, housewives can be knocking iPhones out in Bumfuck, Mississippi.
OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I drove all over that state looking for Bumfuck and never found it. Pretty ornery bunch, too…
Madison420@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Fun you should bring up his merch because literally all of it is Chinese or Indian produced.
daellat@lemmy.world 10 months ago
If that… I imagine they were white label products so not even those taught him anything
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 10 months ago
We don’t even have silicon availability. I don’t mean chips or printed boards, I mean processed quarts crushed into powder.
We would have to start opening strip mines and building massive furnaces and crushers and expanding railways. It’s just not feasible.
AA5B@lemmy.world 10 months ago
But we can just import some of the things we need as we build up the more valuable end of supply chains. I’m sure they’ve thought of that and there are no tariffs impeding those prerequisites, right? Right?
Dlayknee@lemmy.world 10 months ago
John Oliver did a segment on this about a month ago, but yeah, you just nailed it.
pyre@lemmy.world 10 months ago
damn it’s been a while since I’ve watched him. it’s just all been current events lately and even though I’m keeping up with the news, i couldn’t watch him because the way his show covers things usually make things much more depressing. I’ve instead been venting here and shit. I’m gonna have to catch up though eventually, it’s still very informative.
Shanedino@lemmy.world 10 months ago
The more I think about it doesn’t trump just want to raise taxes without explicitly raising taxes.
medgremlin@midwest.social 10 months ago
*Raise taxes on poor people. The billionaires can easily just fly to Europe for a shopping spree attached to their regular weekend jaunt and bring everything home in their luggage (if they cared about the prices of anything to begin with, that is).
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 10 months ago
I bet Tim Apple is really happy about his large donation to the Trump inauguration.
Then again, if you’re that rich, maybe having some intelligence and foresight should be an expectation. If you don’t have those things, maybe you shouldn’t be rich.
cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Tim Apple wipes his ass with million dollar bills.
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 10 months ago
It is, perhaps, the only thing he touches that is made in the USA.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk 10 months ago
Apple spent millions per year in fines for decades just because Steve Jobs didn’t want illuminated fire exit signs polluting the decor of his Apple stores. Their cash reserves exceed $150bn. They won’t do anything they don’t want to do.
dan1101@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Little Donnie diaper, if you know so much about iPhones then you make them.
azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Thank you very much Tim Apple
SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 10 months ago
In British slang if you fart we sometimes say you Trump, or Trumpet. Can we refer to Trumps posts and speeches as Trumpets?
Maverick604@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Well, on Mastodon they are already called “toots”, which is kind of American slang for a fart anyway. So ya, switching to calling them “Trumps” is not far off…
ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I played the trumpet for several years and I love that instrument. It’s bad enough that the names coincide; please don’t make it worse 😭
Ulrich@feddit.org 10 months ago
“Trump says…” A load of fucking bollocks, to be frank. You can rest assured what he says is the opposite of reality. He’s a pathological liar.
mhague@lemmy.world 10 months ago
He did say he would fuck his daughter if she weren’t his daughter.
elvith@feddit.org 10 months ago
Which part is the lie? That he wouldn’t fuck his daughter if she weren’t his daughter or that he would fuck his daughter if she were his daughter?
alexdeathway@programming.dev 10 months ago
Can someone calculate how much an iPhone would cost if manufactured in the USA?
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Not much. It’s basically just the cost of adding a “Made in USA” sticker to the box.
ikidd@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Pay massive bribe to Dirty Donny, put sticker on.
BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 10 months ago
$3,500 according to one estimate.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 10 months ago
With more automation wouldn’t it possibly cost less than this? On Taiwan the balance between automation and human labor is due to their costs of labor and automation.
In any case more expensive than on Taiwan, though.
If US cost of labor drops sharply due to a few bubbles exploding, or a few nukes explode somewhere causing harm to world economy, then having such plants already in place might be retrospectively considered a wise decision.
Consumer hardware is now being used in wars on scale, changing all balances. So I think everybody is going to do what Trump is doing. Keep complex processes inside if they have the knowledge and ability, and try to gain knowledge and ability if they don’t.
I don’t think it’s bad. Socialists will finally see a situation which their ideology fits best. Industrial specialties, even worker-level ones, teach people to think in a way making idiotic websites in some modern framework doesn’t.
All that, of course, is sometime after the hellish hell we’re going to see making us work to achieve it.
baggins@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
Thank your for your
collapse_already@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
Will the US factories have suicide nets too, or is that reserved for Taiwan?
Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de 10 months ago
That would be healthcare. So, no.
DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I thought the nets were in the PRC.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
Nah in the US they just let them die
hddsx@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Who is Tim Cook of Apple? Why does it sound like Trump is talking about Tim Apple?
scripthook@lemmy.world 10 months ago
He makes the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act like minimal in comparison
Sunflier@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Tarriffs are an articulable cost that can be direclt passed on to the consumer. Income taxes would be something more manageable and the company would need to figure out what to pay. But, Republicans increasing taxes on their donors? Ha!