Unpopular opinion:
Witcher 4 won’t be as good as Witcher 3 cause the third one was very good.
So no matter who they chose, it’s probably gonna be underwhelming.
"You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"
Submitted 13 hours ago by inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
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Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
Gonzako@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
also the formula is starting to feel old so it won’t have as much lustre as long as they don’t reinvent themselves
BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 53 minutes ago
It can be better
If they fix the horrendous gameplay
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 minutes ago
Fix two things:
- The weird loot range issue, where if you’re not standing in juuuuust the right angle, you won’t be able to loot certain corpses or containers.
- The fact that, outside of combat, controlling Geralt feels like driving a boat. Weird large turn radiuses, slow start and stop, etc… The devs did this to make his movement look more natural, but it feels like the game is constantly fighting against or trying to correct your inputs.
Combine those two things together, and you get a consistently frustrating experience outside of combat. Installing a ranged loot mod was one of the biggest quality of life upgrades. You walk near a corpse or container, and it automatically gets looted.
The combat can also get repetitive at times, and the difficulty scaling is weird too. But as long as those two things and still deliver a good story, I think players will ultimately walk away happy.
flightyhobler@lemmy.world 49 minutes ago
I don’t believe there are people who seriously throw the “woke” argument out there. I think it’s a sort of rage baiting by the journalists. Ffs there were 3 games with Geralt as lead. Enough is enough.
killerscene@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 minutes ago
it must be out there enough to be brought to his attention. if thats the case i feel like ive started to distance myself from being online enough to not notice this shit anymore.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 hours ago
I’m sorry, but I still can’t help but laugh about the anti-woke Asterion flat-butt mod, and now in my head I just see all anti-woke gamers as jealous flat-butters.
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
They hate us cause they anus
SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 1 hour ago
E pluribus anus
state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 7 hours ago
Any person who unironically uses “woke” is a complete douche canoe and can go get fucked. Change my mind.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Wrong way round. The unironic woke is the BLM socially aware activist.
It’s since around 2020 woke is mostly used as an insult by douche canoes.
bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
Woke is now a synonym for Social Justice warrior.
A person or movement prioritizing moralizing outrage about minor grievances over actual effective societal change.
As my half Nigerian cousin likes to say on issues like white people wearing dreadlocks: “That’s something only white privileged women care about.”
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
Don’t let the alt-right dictate what “woke” means
state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 4 hours ago
I think that ship has sailed. That word is at the moment a clear sign the person using it is an asshole. It can be reclaimed, but right now I don’t see that happening.
brsrklf@jlai.lu 6 hours ago
I won’t. Nobody is able to define what “wokeness” really means to them because it’s mostly code for “subset of people I don’t want to exist around me”.
Surprisingly, that doesn’t sound very good when said out loud.
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 5 hours ago
Woke means being aware that an interaction with a cop is a life or death situation. Cops aren’t your friends, they’re not here to protect you. They’re a threat, motivated by cruelty and love of power. When dealing with a cop, you have to speak gently, keep your hands visible at all times, and declare your intentions for every action. Or you could die. You could still die even if you do all that.
UraniumForBreakfast@lemm.ee 13 hours ago
What ISN’T woke to conservatives/republicans anymore?
Please don’t answer that, I know the answer, but come on. Pick up a book.
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Reading is woke
Addv4@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
It’s how they getcha! That dang “Thinking for themselves!”
Geetnerd@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
According to these CHUDS, having sex with girls is gay. I’ll leave it up to you to research that logic.
HollowNaught@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
I mean, if you look up “gamergate” and see the real reason why these little whiny bitches had such a shit fit. You can see that a lot of male gamers are a bunch of whiny little bitches who throw idiotic tantrums whenever anything highlights women in the gaming world.
rtxn@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Having a consistent definition of “woke” is too woke for some dinosaurs.
Aielman15@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Woke did not exist before 2015, so everything created before that year is, in fact, absolutely based. Including all those apolitical masterpieces I grew up with, such as Metal Gear Solid and Bioshock. I wish they still made fun games instead of insisting on shoving leftist commentary down out throats. I really want to enjoy gaming again but developers are work leftists now :(
Lucky for us, the glorious Nippon country is untouched by woke. No, I don’t know Japan and I’ve visited it, but i play a lot of VNs, which is basically the same thing.
Zero22xx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 hours ago
If Legend of Zelda first came out today, you can bet your ass these people would be complaining about Link not being ‘manly’ enough.
Ledericas@lemm.ee 8 hours ago
the massive increase of “woke” by conservative began around the time trumps 1st term, it only amplyfied just befored the pandemic, and during the pandemic. when disney shows, movies, trek made all these right wingers all uncomfortable.
Cargon@lemmy.ml 10 hours ago
Cleaning your ass after shitting is woke.
Snowclone@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
No no o no no no. It’s FEMININE to not have shit all over your asshole all the time.
UraniumForBreakfast@lemm.ee 10 hours ago
I hope my simple annoyances of painting my nails as a man gives these type of people high blood pressure.
The fucking Secretary of Defense doesn’t wash his hands either
FenrirIII@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
The only books these dumdums pick up are the ones getting thrown onto the fire
TaiCrunch@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
ioi-xd.net/files/wokeornot.html
As it turns out, not a lot.
brsrklf@jlai.lu 6 hours ago
Many diverse characters all fighting back against their unfair economic situation.
“… and that’s terrible.” .
Ledericas@lemm.ee 8 hours ago
woah a book, sounds “woke”
el_bhm@lemm.ee 7 hours ago
Anything that vibes with the voting base.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
I want to believe this is just s straw man argument but sadly I know there are enough jerks out there who absolutely call everything that doesn’t cater precisely to toxic masculinity wOkE.
I think it‘s a bit of a bummer that the ending of Witcher 3 that does make the most sense in-universe isn‘t canon in favor of what I think is pure fan service. I will probably still play the shit out of this though because all of their games have been hitters for me. Even Cyberpunk at launch. Even Witcher 1.
Joeyowlhouse@lemmy.wtf 4 hours ago
It’s about time women got more accurate representation in games. How many games have you play as a man compared to playing as a woman? Technically it should be 50/50 to more accurately represent the real world.
cmhe@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
I don’t think representation is the main issue, it is more about how they are presented.
Striding for a perfect 50/50, doesn’t really sense if they are all just stereotypes and sexual objectified. Also there are many other underrepresented population groups.
IMO, it is more important to focus good well written and complex characters, that represent real circumstances right.
I don’t complain that AAA studios have gone ‘woke’ because they now include choices to select from marginalized groups, I complain about them because they are often do not offer a deeper perspective of people in that group and are just different skins.
In some way, I can understand, games often happen in a Fantasy world, but I would wish that selecting different characters would do more than just exchanging the player mesh, texture and voice pack.
medgremlin@midwest.social 1 hour ago
That’s why the trailer has me so hyped for this game. It looks like the game is going to be different because Ciri is the protagonist. Her experience, reactions, and approach to saving a young woman from being sacrificed are totally different than what Geralt’s would be. I hate it when games like Mass Effect are like “Oh! You can play as FemShep! That totally counts as representation!” even though it changes literally nothing about the story.
I want more games that actually address the real and significant differences in the experiences and perspectives of different characters. I’m always disappointed when there’s a “female” option that’s just a re-skin of the male character with no changes in how the character interacts with the world and the story. (This happens a lot in non-video game media too.)
Comrade_Spood@slrpnk.net 2 hours ago
Unless you are also complaining about it when white male characters are also surface-level, 2-D, copy-and-paste characters then all you are saying is “Only white male characters are allowed to be simple or a stereotype/trope.” Lets be honest, not every game needs a complex and well written character, and that is fine. If they choose to go that route it doesn’t matter what race, religion, or gender the character is in the first place. So it doesn’t matter if they are a white male.
Now I’m also not gonna shut down your solution without being constructive and providing my own solution, cause I don’t think quotas are the answer either. Instead we should be uplifting and empowering marginalized creators and game designers so that they can make more characters that they want to make. Which is generally characters they can relate to. If people want more characters that are women, then the game industry needs to become a safe space for women and empower them so they can provide more representation for characters. Same thing for any other demographic. That will make sure that these characters are being made in an aethentic and organic way, and not just being pumped out to meet a quota, but also isn’t restricting when marginalized demographics can be used as characters.
Bieren@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
The well written part is my concern. Or we will get the same quality as a lot of recent movies and shows. Where the characters are stereotypes, poorly written, poorly developed. With plot points that are just randomly forced into the story, and that plot point has nothing to do with the rest of the story. You know the ones, where something has been added to the story and has no reason or meaning or benefit to being part of the story.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
How in the heck would Ciri not be the main character after the events of Witcher 3? Did anyone actually think she wouldn’t be?
thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
anyone who has read the books was likely surprised that ciri was the math character of any of the games when they first started coming out ::: ending of the books especially since geralt dies at the end of the books :::
ciri was more the main character than geralt for most of the book. she’s the child of destiny. she’s the young character that grows up as we follow their journey. she’s the one that finds herself and shows major character development throughout the books. the only character development geralt goes through is accepting his bond with ciri. the first two games never mentioning ciri was outright bizarre tbh. only even remotely possibly because geralt lost his memory. like, with where geralt as at by the end of the books the only thing you could possibly expect him to do on regaining his memory is frantically search for signs of his adopted daughter
to a longtime book reader my reaction to ciri being the protag of the next game was “FINALLY”
my only curiosity at this point is how much she’ll be like book ciri. does she know magic? in the books ciri goes to sorceress school and then gets trained in primal magic by unicorns and immortal space elves. can you fuck a horse? that was one of the more… questionable scenes in the book.
tangent: sapkowski’s politics occasionally bleed through in weird ways in the books. like three’s a scene where a woman finds out she’s pregnant mid way through a literal war that our band wades through on their journey to save the world. the party basically needs the woman to proceed. she does not want the child. i believe it was the product of rape. yet for some reason geralt and a literal fucking vampire convince her that abortion is wrong and she should keep it instead of drinking a potion about it. it was so randomly out of character for everyone involved. but hey, that’s catholics for you i guess… /tangent
i think they generally said that ciri lost her elder blood powers after the king of the hunt was killed right? otherwise I’m gonna be really curious how handle that as well. she should be sort of the world’s greatest sorceress otherwise. ooh, i wonder if she’ll make quips about cyberpunk and/or other worlds she’s traveled to. like, she spent Decent bit of time in Arthurian legend. she shows up briefly in Victorian London.
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
I was under the impression that it wasn’t Victorian London, but The Plague Year. IIRC she, canonically, brings a blanket infested with plague lice from here to there, and ends up dropping it next to the ship Catriona, which is how the Catriona plague actually gets started.
wrekone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 hours ago
Came here to say this. Anyone that’s played Witcher 3 should have already known that Ciri was going to be the protagonist in the next game. I can’t wait. Ciri is badass.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Someone who can tame unicorns and jump through time and space is much more interesting than a berserker monster slayer.
kinther@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
She is the main character toward the end. The story was great and I need to replay it
Coelacanth@feddit.nu 4 hours ago
I mean, I prayed to the nether gods that we’d get a Letho game. He’s the perfect protagonist if they wanted to move away from the books and more firmly into their own OC. Always had huge main character energy, and would be perfectly suited for exploring the morally grey areas of the Witcher world.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 hours ago
Well, unless you fucked up the choices near the end. Really not fond of CDPR’s habit of that.
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
Yeah, there were a couple of tiny decisions, any of which failed you out if you got them wrong, and several of them had deceptive descriptions during the QTE.
kibiz0r@midwest.social 13 hours ago
Empricorn@feddit.nl 4 hours ago
Damn you. I will never not upvote this! It perfectly encapsulates conservatives and maga freaks…
markovs_gun@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
I don’t know if I have met anyone complaining about Ciri being the protagonist of Witcher 4. Even the most conservative people I know who are fans of the series are pumped about her being the main character because they love the story and it’s the only logical way forward. The only complaints I have heard are that in universe she’s kind of overpowered for a video game protagonist. I think people whining about this are fake fans or just agitators who don’t even play these games.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 hours ago
Good to know the VA isn’t a dickhead chud here. I’m not aware of him beyond this, but that’s at least a small win in my book.
vane@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Why complicate things ? Games are not books. I see Witcher game I expect Geralt. What is wrong with this thinking ? Do I need to think everytime I play Horizon ? No when I play Horizon I expect Aloy.
There is nothing to do with woke. If you expect people to read books before they play a game there is something wrong with you not with people who want to play a game with their favourite character.
denaggels@feddit.org 1 hour ago
The Witcher game series is based on the book series.
The post criticizes not the expectation of players that haven’t read the books, but of the subset of people that think making Ciri the protagonist is a political message, when it’s just staying true to its source.
Your critique has nothing to do with this post.
Expectations differ from person to person. You see the games as a separate thing. They are obviously not. But it’s totally fair to want another witcher game with Gerald with his story continued. If the original creator of the story didn’t write it that way, then CD Project Red would have to come up with their own story. Straying too far from source material can end badly - see Game of Thrones seasons 6-8.
vane@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Nah the author of article asume that all people that say that Ciri can’t be a witcher it’s because they claim it’s woke and tries to turn those who disagree to say it’s political. I clearly state it’s not. I don’t want Ciri in Witcher because I want to play Geralt. That’s all. The author puts books to afirmate his claims that only people who read books are worthy to say something about Ciri being a Witcher protagonist and that everyone else says it’s woke. No I disagree. Books are not Games.
nuko147@lemm.ee 1 hour ago
Geralt needs retirement. The ending of Blood and Wine expansion, tells you that loud and clear, and agree with that. It was a perfect ending for the Trilogy.
Ending with Ciri following the Witcher path, is Canon now. I dont agree with the decision of Ciri becoming a Witcher (not making her the protagonist, but her taking the Mutagens), but i want to see how they explain that turn of events.
vane@lemmy.world 56 minutes ago
That’s the problem, they want to put Ciri in same gameplay but different story and say that’s new Witcher. I would more likely play as Yenefer sorceress and slay monsters in a Witcher game than play as Ciri that somehow becomes a Witcher just to slay monsters with as sword. We already have character that slays monsters with a sword in Witcher game, he’s called Geralt.
SleepyBear@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
I dont think its necessarily to complicate things but more that we’ve had Geralt as a main character for 3 games. His time is ending, and if you love him as a main character there are those 3 aforementioned games you can play to get what youre looking for. Switching up the main protagonist to another character that we as gamers have learned to love and accept through the series is probably the best move, both for business and canonically.
LostWanderer@lemmynsfw.com 10 hours ago
ROFL I guess these dudes want to live a power fantasy through Geralt instead of accepting the natural next step; since they are following the Witcher Books for the most part, Ciri was bound to be the lead character. I feel the Witcher 4 will be an excellent game, there’s interesting ground to cover with Ciri. The only bad thing will be if there is no first person mode, as I tend to avoid games with women as leads…I like to look at men from behind, not ladies. I hope the art team chose a design that doesn’t try to make her into a thirst trap (as that low-key makes me not want to play games with female leads).
FunnyUsername@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
i promise you’ll be able to trace her ass crack through her jeans
LostWanderer@lemmynsfw.com 10 hours ago
hurls a little in my mouth ROFL I hope not.
PanArab@lemm.ee 7 hours ago
I like to look at men from behind, not ladies.
I’m the exact opposite, but nothing wrong with your preference.
vxx@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I have a friends that’s the same. She refuses ro play witcher 3 because you cant pick a female character.
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 5 hours ago
This is understandable if someone has a strong gender identity. Most people don’t have much of a gender so it’s less important to them.
LostWanderer@lemmynsfw.com 4 hours ago
In first person, there is no issue playing a female lead for me. I just have an issue with the common thirst trap design which has been a default design choice in games. As a gay dude, I find that sort of objectification is gross (the same is true for lead men in games. Except in the games that’s the point).
Especially when the camera does that pan to that lady lead’s ass in third person…Its not the vibe I seek when playing a game. 🙃
Any game with a leading lady that is serving cunt without the objectification I can easily play. Bayonetta is an example of one such game, she’s a force of nature, it feels as if she has a strong sense of agency. She’s not been made just for the male gaze.
CapriciousDay@lemmy.ml 4 hours ago
Idk about you but I’m pre-ordering the woke game
FireRetardant@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Lots of respect for Doug Cockle, the VA. He could use the outcry to try to get another big deal and make more money as the main character, but instead he recognizes the witcher is bigger than him or his character and is happy to have another person take the lead role and the spotlight.
stebo02@sopuli.xyz 6 hours ago
i love woke, keep it coming
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
“You can’t just have Geralt for every single game.”
I mean… Yes. You literally can.
Mario, Sonic, Zelda, Metroid, Kirby… You can create infinite video games with the same main character over and over again. Its like an infinite money glitch if the character is popular and well liked.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 12 hours ago
Them books are woke.
mriswith@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I’ve said for years that one or more of the main characters should be prominent, but you play most of the game as a custom character and you get to choose your witcher school. So I’m sort of hoping that she’s the protagonist and main character in a similar way to TW3.
Seefoo@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
honestly though, calling it woke makes me want to check it now…so 🤷. I am not sure woke is the insult its intended to be.
Vince@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
How is work an insult? What am I supposed be? Asleep?
ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 11 hours ago
Low lifes
k1ck455kc@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
As long as they remake the original Witcher(and maybe the 2nd one too) so i can experience it in a similarly cinematic way to The Witcher 3… I will be happy and excited to see what a Ciri-based game or even trilogy would look like.
Will definitely miss the masculine indulgences of TW3 in the Ciri game though…
VirgilMastercard@reddthat.com 11 hours ago
This comment is woke
FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 29 minutes ago
I’m mad about Ciri being the main character, however the reason I’m mad si not because of her character or her being a woman. What I’m upset about is that I thought this game would take place in a completely different time period or region. Like maybe during the first witchers? Maybe in the future? But no, CDPR is just force extending existing characters. Zzzzz