I would love to come across one of the voters that voted for the orange fascist because they thought Kamala would be worse for the Palestines somewhere in the wild. It would be incredible to see if they still feel strongly about it now.
Israel publicly announces genocidal intent
Submitted 5 weeks ago by geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
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PointyReality@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Grimy@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Most just abstained, voters who actually switched sides don’t exist imo. If you voted trump last election, you never would have voted kamala even if she actually tried to win.
That being said, I can’t really blame people for drawing the line at genocide of all things. The dems thought they had an easy win so they decided to represent genocide instead of us, the voters. I still voted for them regardless but it felt altogether gross. It shouldn’t feel that way, they are supposed to be the good ones.
I don’t think we should condone the behavior by pivoting the blame to voters, who are just trying to be heard since clearly the democratic party has stopped listening.
rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Most just abstained
An abstain from voting is a vote that says “I’m fine with anyone or everyone”. An abstain is a vote that says “I am complacent to the outcome”.
If you want to protest, if nothing else, write in.
I can’t really blame people for drawing the line at genocide of all things
They didn’t draw the line at genocide. If you stand and watch and do nothing you are complicit in the genocide.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
What about all of the AOC/Trump voters? People are really fucking stupid here.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
toofpic@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Uh…I’m sorry to tell you, but republicans and Trump won. Everything that is happening right now is happening under republican rule. Sitting in your own piss abd blaming others don’t work anymore!
PointyReality@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Biden was pressuring Israel to act but also to do so with civilians in mind and to allow humanitarian efforts or risk getting cut off from military aid. Also the line that Kamala most probably would have towed as well. This is for those familiar with global politics is expected between long standing allies ( something Trump is currently failing at every stage currently). Meanwhile Orange Musolini has basically said “Have at it, also that spot there would be great for a hotel”. So I fail to see how you could even compare the two. But sure I guess if you happened to fail to grasp the nuance in global politics.
Unless you happened to have another point to make that is more substantive then “bOth PaRtIeS”.
puchaczyk@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Selling lgbt people, ethnic minorities, immigrants, poor people dependent on social programs only to gain… nothing. What a deal…
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Holy shit do you have a camera that takes photos of alternate timelines?
Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 5 weeks ago
You wear a collar.
GreyAlien@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Post about israel stating they will exterminate Palestinians
You: it’s because of leftists and muslims and communist and santa maybe batman too.
Way to subtly change the subject and optics. Why don’t you focus on the fact that the United States is currently aiding and supporting a genocide that has been unfolding for the last 70 years? I’m not american and I would have voted for Harris if I was one, but you are disgraceful for using minorities like tokens you can use and throw as you please, I’m quite certain that even if all of them voted for Harris, trump would still have been elected due to your f***** up gerrymandering policy. Putting the blame on hundreds of thousands and not on the millions of apolitical voters is MAGA level nonsense.
rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
WELL, it’s worth discussing that leading up to the 2024 US General Election there was a bit of a bizarre alliance between global leftists and MAGA when it comes to media and information warfare.
For completely opposite reasons each, of course. MAGA thought Trump was going to take the US to being the next level of Imperialist superpower. Global leftists thought Trump was going to destroy the US’s power and influence and end the era of the US being the world’s sole superpower.
Only time will tell who was correct. Right now it looks like the global leftists were right - the US’s influence is rapidly deteriorating, and it may never recover.
Trump is looking like a big global leftist win in taking down the US - at the cost of many Palestinian lives. And maybe this was the trolley dilemma, with millions of Palestinians on one track, and billions of people on the other. Can we accuse leftists of being the ones to flip the switch? No, but leftists absolutely argued in favor of flipping the switch to trump and the downfall of America, at the cost of many Palestinian lives.
PointyReality@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Please point out where in my post I said that their vote would have even caused a flip in the election results, there was a group that withheld their vote in protest (not the ones that simply did not vote). So I will say there is no evidence I can produce that they voted for Trump, but the chance of none existing is not zero either. So yes I would like to talk to one of those voters or non-voters in protest to better understand why they initially thought a withholding of their vote in the first place when the worse option was clearly the other option should the election go one way in light of the current votes.
Understanding what went wrong at all levels, and those protesting and withholding their votes was part of that issue. So cannot and should not be ignored if we are to learn from this for the future.
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
I have no idea what you’re on about vis a vis voted for Trump believing he’d be better for Palestine. A minority people refused to vote Kamala because of her open support of genocide, but that doesn’t mean they voted for Trump.
In either case, why is it their fault and not the fault of the democratic establishment exactly? Shouldn’t your ire be for establishment democrats who refused to stop supporting a genocide? They could’ve done that, you know. This might blow your fucking mind but democrats can actually do stuff. No one was holding Kamala secretly at gun point and forcing her to support genocide. She refused to stop and instead parroted the usual talking points of Israel’s “right to defend itself.” Shouldn’t that be the subject of your anger and frustration? Shouldn’t you be furious at the democratic establishment becoming more and more conservative as time goes on? Shouldn’t you be outraged at the way democrats persecute the progressive elements within their own political party? Instead of angry at the handful of people who tried to make their voices heard on the subject of literally funding and arming genociders?
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
Deep down the blue conservatives understand that the democrats cannot change because that would upset their donors for their billion dollar campaigns.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
I have no idea what you’re on about vis a vis voted for Trump believing he’d be better for Palestine.
These people were here and very vocal. Whether or not they were real people is another question.
PointyReality@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Please point out in my comment where I said there cote would have flipped the election results, also please note you and others stated alot as evidence for these can be found that the majority just did not vote in protest because of this issue. But I won’t accept that there is zero that actually did vote for Trump for this issue that is mathematically improbable.
People write of the non-voters or the ones (I will accept that these are very small amount) as a non-issue to focus on. But for me even understanding all facets of why they did what they did in light of how it’s currently panning out is to me a better understanding to find out what really went/going on in relation to people and this issue within their decision making particularly because there was a chance it could have been remotely better then what is occurring right now.
OwlHamster@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
6 months up to the election there were posts on Lemmy every single day with people saying they were going to protest vote for Trump because of Gaza.
PanArab@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
I didn’t vote for Trump but let’s not pretend that Harris was going to stop it as she didn’t distance herself from Biden on this issue. Biden had 15 months and he didn’t, not even symbolically at the UN choosing to veto ceasefire, vote against Palestinian right to self determination and continue sending Israel weapons.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
The fuck you on about? Trump announced to the world that the intent is to remove all Palestinians, permanently, to build resorts.
When did Kamala openly say the genocide should be accelerated and made total?
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
“yOu ShoULd hAve vOTeD FOr OuR BabY kiLLeR INsTeAD!”
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
The strawman keep getting bigger and bigger in these threads. Pretty soon they will be so big we will be able to host burning man.
It would be incredible if democrats got rid of First-past-the-post boring in the blue states they control so people could be free to vote outside the two party system with no spoiler effect. But capitalists hate competition.
As we can see by democratic inaction on reforming the voting system at the state level, democrats want to continue the hostage situation they present in every election. This is not democracy. Forcing people to vote for your preference will never be democracy. Thus the voting system flaws must be treated like the crisis that it is.
We must be pushing for electoral reform in every state, but why is it so difficult to get the supposed democracy advocates in the democratic party to start moving towards making these critical reforms happen in states they control?
Feel free to make excuses for the democrats. Feel free to attack me all you want. State level rlectoral reform will continue to be the nonviolent way out of this mess. I hope yall come around, even if it probably is to late.
Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now) Videos on alternative electoral systems STAR voting Alternative vote Ranked Choice voting Range Voting Single Transferable Vote Mixed Member Proportional representation
PointyReality@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
You falsely assume that I even considered these people having the overall numbers to even flip the election results, my comment is based on seeing how they feel about their decision now considering they were quite vocal about not voting for Kamala because she was a warhawk and therefore voted for a supposed “better”.
The rest of your point has nothing to do with the article nor my point. So please ensure keep to the topic on hand.
WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
I would love to meet the people that thought they could use even worse genocide to excuse their own genocide.
Revan343@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
I too would like to come across one in the wild, because despite people constantly bitching about them, I’ve yet to see evidence that they exist
PointyReality@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Please see the below excerpt from reddit:
“# CMV: Leftist Single Issue Voters are a massive problem for Democrats.
For context, I am a leftist, by American standards at least, and have seriously considered not voting in the upcoming election because of the Anti-Palestine stance taken by the Democrats. That said, I have realized how harmful of an idea that is for the future of our country and for progressive politics in general. The core issue with Single Issue Voters is that they will almost always either vote Republican or not vote at all, both of which hurt Democrats“
Also link to an article that shows there was in the very least uncommitted voters because of this. Yes, I will admit it does not mean they actually voted for Trump but their inaction caused the same result even if they did vote for Trump.
theguardian.com/…/uncommitted-campaign-democrats-…
So let allow me to correct my initial statement here for you, I would like to meet to talk to those who withheld their vote because they thought to make a statement about the genocide in Gaza in the light of the current Authoritarian administration.
BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
I was gonna say “there’s tons of em on .ml” but one of em was nice enough to prove it right in this thread
PointyReality@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Yeah, I am happy to try and go back and forth with odd stray here. Not sure what those other heavily moderated conservative instances are like but if they are like the askconservative subreddit where I had to avoid using triggering words such as Trans because they would go all snow flakey on me then I suspect they might be the same even here.
TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
One of them made this post.
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 5 weeks ago
I, too would like to meet Sasquatch one day. /j
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
The only real difference is Harris would have voiced disapproval rather than approval. Netanyahu seems pretty adamant about following this course. I doubt any conservative president would be able to stop it.
Muyal@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I like how the people that a year ago were telling you to shut up about Palestine because it was hurting Biden are now trying to guilt trip you about Palestine
Rhoeri@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I like how the people that a year ago were yelling at everyone to not vote democratic are now blaming l everyone who warned them what would happen if they didn’t.
AJ1@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
it’s about hurting the right people. whomever you need to hurt to push your agenda through, that’s who needs a whoopin’, but once that’s been accomplished, you can go back to hurting the people you really want to hurt. that’s “Freedom”, American Style
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Lol at all of the “hurr durr I don’t know who you’re talking about because actually blah blah blah” replies. Easy way to identify exactly who you’re referring to though…
LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
I love when people try to make some type of comparison between one fascist foreign policy party and another like one is better.
This is American foreign policy. It is bipartisan. The only difference between Biden and Trump on Israel is the aesthetics.
There is absolutely no reason to guilt anyone for not voting for the administration that was currently supporting a genocide or one that voted for the one that would support one in the future. US foreign policy is bipartisan.
PointyReality@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
The fact you even thought to call both policies fascist is incredible to me.
One side at least attempted to apply pressure. Was it enough and more should have been done I will not argue with that. But no way in shape or form is the current option better when there was better chance of something happening under the other option given enough pressure.
Plenty of reason to understand these people better so that messaging can be refined for the future, if they choose to feel guilt over their action or inaction because of this then good. Because look at whats happening and if this was their sole reason for withholding or voting another way then yeah I say they need to feel guilt so they can learn themselves how to better use their power to create change.
Ledericas@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
“shes not good,”" i dont like her" or she dint make useful arguments in her campaign" codewards for sexist reason they dint vote for her.
Iceman@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Internet though guy over here, lol.
meme_historian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
qarbone@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Unfortunately, I’m fully capable of comprehending this.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 5 weeks ago
Israel should be dismantled. They are a genocidal state and deserve no statehood.
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 5 weeks ago
No state “deserves” statehood. Statehod should be dismatled.
melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
and every single citizen hunted like the inhuman monsters they are, with local bars giving free drinks to anyone who kills one. sure. but that’s how we know we aren’t in a just world.
WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
This message is literally saying, “dismantle your military, and we will ethnically cleanse you.”
CalipherJones@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Most of Palestinians are under the age of 18. Basically telling a bunch of kids he’s going to kill them.
hark@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
“return the hostages and kick out Hamas, and new options will open for you–including relocation to other parts of the world for those who choose. The alternative is destruction and total devastation.”
So the choice is either ethnic cleansing with some genocide or ethnic cleansing with total genocide. This is completely unacceptable, yet there are those who argue that we must accept it and merely choose “the lesser of two evils” with the reason being that it could be worse. However, this only emboldens the evil and they will continue driving to make things worse and worse anyway.
UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Yeah actually, that’s genocide.
SolidShake@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
don’t forget about peace day 1 you guys.
Cocopanda@futurology.today 5 weeks ago
Israeli’s are blood thirsty monsters. Prove me wrong.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 4 weeks ago
Israel killing civilians at random probably isn’t going to help bring the average Palestinian to their side against Hamas. If they were being nice to the civilians they might actually be willing to help you.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
If Israel and Russia can get away with it, then too the USA, and this is the ultimate goal: taking back the world to the days of “territorial conquests”.
NutWrench@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
The IAF blew up 400 men, women and children and today Netanyahu said, “this is only the beginning.”
You can get deported from the US now for pointing that out.
Rhoeri@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I’ll bet all the gEnoCiDe jOe folks are too busy patting themselves on the back for saving Palestine to be bothered to read into this too much.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Well at least we know Trump will handle this much more ethically than that genocide-supporting demon Harris!
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
They won’t spare them if they kick out HAMAS. Right now, the terrorists are actually the lesser evil.
MTK@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Genocide has been out of fashion for almost 100 years, guess it’s in now 😎
/s
Fuck this and fuck all similar shit.
Eddbopkins@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Israel has gone full circle or is it half circle?, anyway they are the bad guys now.
RymrgandsDaughter@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
So we’re just going to have to sit here and let Israel murder these kids. Yeah religion is trash
Kaput@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
First a statement, so i dont get put into pro or anti anyone. I utterly hate the hamas leader who decided to sacrifice palestinians for their cause by igniting this latest bloodbath just as much a I hate the israely leaders who cheefully accepted the invitation to violently take the land. I dont give a rat’s ass about religion and strongly advocate against religion being a incentive to kill or be killed. Let people live for fuck’s sake. End of statement. (maybe I need a short motto for this)
Now out of pure curiosity Israel tell gazaan to leave but offer no destinations, surrounding countries will not accept gazan partly out of not wishing to be destabilized and partly not wanting to help israel in the cleansing. Was westbank ever considered as a destination ? if so how was it received? It seem to me to be the least horrific solution.
ThrawnSolo@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Is this a real post?
middlemanSI@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
So when does the main trial start?
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I feel like the US taxpayer is bearing the full cost, truly. Israel can’t make war for more than a few days without the charity we give them.
bonkers@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
What a shitbag.
Lucky_777@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Trump posted the AI video explaining the future plans.
Trump Gaza #1
NoFun4You@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Booooo
DicJacobus@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
so long as bibi, trump, and the puppet master putin and all of their respective ghouls are in charge, Im afraid every man woman and child in gaza is living on spent time.
shaggyb@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Downvoted. Not boring.
DegenerationIP@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
What the fuck…
pachrist@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Do you think there’s a 13 year old girl in Gaza who is writing a diary that will be widely read by children across the world 40-50 years from now?
samus12345@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Maybe, but it will probably be destroyed by carpet bombing before anyone sees it.
whaleiam@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
It’s not carpet bombing it Ai kill list. It indiscriminately just attacks targets, they’ve been training it the whole time. Palantir is the company
JacksonLamb@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
It’s 2025, the teenagers mostly document their lives on social media. Tent life guy from Gaza got killed but there are others.
When this empire falls and the genocide history is able to be taught then yes I think some of these video records will be studied by children around the world.
BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
Well, with the way things are going, it won’t be read in the U.S.A. It’ll be banned.
Liberal_Ghost@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
By then they won’t have to ban books. Nobody here will be able to read
queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Don’t worry, the US won’t exist in 40-50 years.
FreeHat@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Maybe, but the IDF will definitely burn anything they find, don’t want more records of their crimes where they can avoid it
frostysauce@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
They dgaf. They want the world to see what they are getting away with.
x00z@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
The Germans occupied the Netherlands during WW2 and most (non Jewish) people could still live relevantly normal lives. Israel on the other hand is destroying everybody and everything in Gaza. They don’t even have a chance to write a diary.
Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Around 250,000 Dutchmen died in WW2. A substantial part of that came from the hunger winter in 1944 when the German army took the Dutch harvest. Dutch cities were first bombed by the Germans and afterwards by the allies, and many were in complete ruins. I am saying this not to downplay what Israel does to Palestina, but the idea that most Dutch people lived relatively “normal” lives during WW2 is ridiculous.
BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
As a new biography Dutch Girl: Audrey Hepburn and World War II, excerpted exclusively in this week’s PEOPLE, reveals, it was her experiences during Germany’s five-year occupation of Holland during World War II that truly shaped her.
While more has come out in recent years about her war experience, Robert Matzen’s book reveals harrowing new details about how a young Hepburn battled severe malnutrition, particularly during what was known as the “Hunger Winter” of 1944-45.
Leading up to that brutally cold winter, as Germany tightened its grip on Holland, Hepburn and her family were often forced to live in the cellar for days and weeks at a time due to bombing overhead. And food became more and more scarce.
CalipherJones@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Israel is doing terrible things, but it simply doesn’t compare to the atrocities of the Third Reich. Almost nothing does. It’s important we don’t downplay just how horrible the Nazi regime was.
Mallspice@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Nope. I may wrong but that’s the premonition I get just because Islam has promoted global jihad which will piss off a lot more people than not in the coming decades. Furthermore it seems to me Muslims aren’t supportive of girl authors like the west is.
GreyAlien@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
“the muslims” Okay now let see what it would looks like if I change this word by an other one starting with a J.
Wait…?! Why I’m getting Déjà vu…ಠ_ಠ
match@pawb.social 5 weeks ago
4 or 5 years probably
FireAtWill@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Do you really think it makes a difference?
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Bombs exploding tend to hurt paper, fires tend to hurt paper, all the dust from shock waves tends to hurt paper, and bulldozers demolishing everything tend to hurt paper. If something survives that, then I still don’t think so.
If you’ll ask why, that’s for the same reason as why nobody wrote such a comment about an Alawi or Christian girl from Tartus in the last few days\weeks, to my knowledge. The estimates are of like 30 000 dead already, it’s likely more, many civilians are hiding on the Russian bases but you wouldn’t expect Russia to protect people it vowed to protect.
Suffering in Gaza is real, but the reason you think about it is that it’s convenient, those who suffer are Sunni, and those who kill them are of the general western alliance. It can’t be resolved who has more rights between these people, the westerners have just a bit more than Sunnis, but Sunnis have enough to cause outrage. The rest - not a beep.
That’s because Gaza is both real and an approved propaganda narrative. And if it weren’t the latter, then who knows, maybe it weren’t the former too and Israelis would have found somebody else to bomb.