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rdri@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

Do we see any adequate attempts to do the bargaining though? Do we know that all the hostages are alive and well? Because having only a corpse of some hostage is not good for bargaining.

Yes, let’s have those ~50 stay in an unknown state somewhere, and ignore the possibility of Israel bombings to cease or result in lesser casualties, in case those are released.

Thr arbiter, last I saw in the news, “gave the green light to Israel” because the hostages were not released.

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crapwittyname@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Well you’ve used the qualifier “adequate”, which means there’s an undefined set of criteria for bargaining that you deem acceptable. However there was until three days ago a ceasefire in place. A ceasefire by its existence proves that some bargaining has been done.
There were no provisions in the ceasefire that allowed Israel to attack under the conditions in which they did. Am unconditional and complete release of hostages by 18/03/2025 was not one of the conditions imposed upon Hamas. Israel contravened the ceasefire. Therefore by giving the green light, the arbiter was violently remiss in his duties to uphold it impartially.
No idea where you get your news, but if you look at multiple sources from the time the ceasefire was signed (mid January), you’ll see the terms of the ceasefire, and you’ll see that Hamas did not break them.

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- rdri@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  that you deem acceptable
  
  Releasing about 2000 people for 33 hostages is more than acceptable. Keeping remaining ~50 at this point is strange. “Keep bombing us, killing hundreds, but we will not release your 50 people (out of which you think only half are alive), we need you to… release more of our people” or what?
  
  You are going to just accept it as is, wait until bombings will wipe out all of Gaza, but still tell how those 50 hostages are important for some bargaining?
  
  Whatever they could theoretically gain for those remaining hostages (if they wanted that) is not worth the risk of further bombings. If anything, they waste resources on keeping them alive (if they really do that).
  
  No idea where you get your news, but if you look at multiple sources from the time the ceasefire was signed (mid January), you’ll see the terms of the ceasefire, and you’ll see that Hamas did not break them.
  
  This is the part about Trump. archive.md/lkD5b
  
  According to this, Hamas rejected proposition by Israel on march 1. Which then triggered Israel. cbc.ca/…/israel-gaza-ceasefire-talks-1.7472338
  
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  - crapwittyname@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Releasing the hostages won’t stop anything. The IDF was headshotting children before October 7th.
    
    According to this, Hamas rejected proposition by Israel on march 1. Which then triggered Israel.
    
    Seventeen days later? I don’t think you can call that a “trigger”
    
    Fact is, Israel has been violating the ceasefire since the beginning according to the reports I’ve been reading.
    
    Hamas shouldn’t even have the hostages, but stealing a few hundred people is nothing compared to the way Israel bullies Gaza. Now they’ve got the hostages, they’ve lost any moral high ground anyway, so they’re going to use them to the best tactical, strategic and diplomatic advantage they can. It’s the smart thing to do. It’s not the right thing to do, but I think everyone lost all hope of either side doing something right a long time ago.
    
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    rdri@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    Releasing the hostages won’t stop anything.
    
    It will change what many people think about Hamas.
    
    The IDF was headshotting children before October 7th.
    
    Israel released 2000 people for just 33. This shows the hostages are meaningful to Israel. Thinking “there is no point in releasing hostages” is not smart.
    
    Seventeen days later? I don’t think you can call that a “trigger”
    
    Cut off aid 1 day after. Cut off electricity 7 days after. cbc.ca/…/israel-gaza-ceasefire-timeline-1.7487965
    
    Fact is, Israel has been violating the ceasefire since the beginning according to the reports I’ve been reading.
    
    Hamas would violate them too if they could. Ceasefires can’t be ideal when both sides hate each other so much.
    
    so they’re going to use them to the best tactical, strategic and diplomatic advantage they can. It’s the smart thing to do.
    
    How many people already died in bombings? Did it worth the 2000 of people released by Israel? Or 4000 more people they could possibly release for the remaining hostages?
    
    Smart things to do? Hamas are not smart in my eyes. Instead of caring about Palestinians and building defenses, they built rockets and tunnels for useless attacks. They are neither good tacticians, nor good strategists, nor good diplomats.
    
    Even if I forget how “smart” the October attack was, not releasing hostages when being told “release them or we will kill you” is not a smart thing to do, if you really care about your own life and the life of Palestinians.
    
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