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PC gamers spend 92% of their time on older games, oh and there are apparently 908 million of us now

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨tonytins@pawb.social⁩ to ⁨games@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/pc-gamers-spend-92-percent-of-their-time-on-older-games-oh-and-there-are-apparently-908-million-of-us-now/

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  • DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Built a new killer rig last summer. Have spent 90% of my time with it playing HL1 mods.

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    • MufinMcFlufin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Recently upgraded to a 7800x3D, 64GB DDR5, and a 4070… which I’ve been using to get back into modded Minecraft recently.

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      • MisterOwl@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Same machine… The framerates I’m getting in Rimworld are off the charts.

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      • TinyShonk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Tbf, the larger modpacks can be pretty resource intensive.

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  • quack@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Turns out that people like playing games that respect their time and aren’t a glorified second job. Who knew.

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    • Mic_Check_One_Two@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      that respect their time

      I know you’re not talking about old school RPGs. The older games tended to pad playtime by requiring grinds. Hell, my favorite JRPG is specifically more grindy in America, because the devs decided to slash the experience and gold drop rates by like 50% for the American release, and make all of the enemies hit much harder. So you need to be a higher level to be able to survive, and you need to grind twice as long to reach those higher levels and to be able to buy better gear. I like it despite the grind, not because of it; In most of my play throughs, I end up using cheats to avoid the grind.

      and aren’t a glorified second job

      I mean, games like Ultima Online, RuneScape, Diablo, and EverQuest have existed since the 90’s. Hell, RuneScape used to be extremely approachable for young players because it didn’t require a good computer or any installs; It just ran directly in your internet browser.

      The bigger reason many adults feel this way is not because games have gotten longer or harder. Adults simply have less time to play. They don’t want to spend a bunch of time researching optimal builds or grinding rank in multiplayer matches. Instead, they want to fall back to the games that they already know how to play. They’re willing to ignore the fact that their favorite single player game requires 10-20 hours of grinding, because it doesn’t feel like work to them. Or if it does, they can just use cheats to get around it. They don’t need to research how to get a specific item, or how to approach a specific boss fight, because they have already done it a dozen times.

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      • PraiseTheSoup@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Why would you write this and then not say what your favorite jrpg that is specifically more grindy in America is? Do you write clickbait headlines for a living?

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    • Nalivai@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The games I play do respect my time but boy are they a second job. From Rimworld to Satisfactory, from Space Engineers to modded Minecraft… My job is a second job.

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    • golli@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Tell that to everyone playing games like path of exile (which i admittedly have also played too much of in the past).

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      • itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        PoE, Factorio, etc

        I seem to like games that require spreadsheets

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  • umbraroze@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Much of my PC gaming, back in the day, was “oh this looks like a good game. Runs like dogshit on my PC though. Maybe I’ll wait until I get a better PC.” [wait 10 years] “My ADHD has gone worse, I can’t play all this stuff”

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  • whotookkarl@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Older games = more than 2 years old? Then the same goes for readers, movie and TV watchers, etc media consumption most isn’t from the current or previous years

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  • F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Either oldish titles or Indies, mainstream game devs are pure malaria

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  • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m playing a new old game, because i’m playing the Suikoden Remaster. There for I have beaten the system by simultaniously playing both an 20+ year old game and a brand new game thats a few weeks old.

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    • DontMakeMoreBabies@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I got a steam deck on the way and I’m so stokes for Suikoden. I hope they remaster number three!

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      • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Suikoden 3 needs far, far more than just a remaster.

        It needs a full blown remake, both of the story, and the game, to get rid of that trinity sight mechanic. cause the constant shifting perspectives absolutely kept me out of the game, cause every time I start to get invested boom rip me out of it and make me control someone else for a long period. I understand what they were trying to do, but it was one of the most fundamentally bad game design choices i’ve ever seen.

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      • Mic_Check_One_Two@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The Steam Deck is actually wonderful for retro games. EmuDeck makes setting up emulators a breeze, and the roms can easily be found online legitimately ripped from your own copies of the game and loaded onto a MicroSD card.

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  • stopforgettingit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I am on a 6 year old computer playing 10 year old games. I don’t see a need to upgrade anytime soon.

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    • HiroProtagonist@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I do hate being in the never ending upgrade cycle but the 10 year old games are limited, at least the ones I like to play.

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  • GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I can agree with this: All the hype around KCD:2 led me to buying/playing KCD:1

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  • PeteWheeler@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    New games just don’t have a ‘punch’ to it anymore. They are not not game breaking anymore.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with old games either. They are the same as they were, which is why reboots and remakes are so popular.

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    • Luminocta@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I want to agree but some games are really well done. Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 is a good example.

      However

      I feel like many people are so focused on graphics and looks, like raytracing for example, that gameplay/story has become less important? Sucks but it is what it is I guess…

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      • ScoreDivision@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        A good story isn’t something groundbreaking that marketing teams can slap on the box in the same way they can with ray tracing dlss or whatever else I guess

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  • Zink@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s the Baldur’s Gate saga for me right now, and I’m still in the BG1 campaign.

    It is such a great game to play on the couch with a trackball while chilling with the family.

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  • TechAnon@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I play Rocket League and ~30,000 MAME games on a converted Arcade 1up. I’m waiting for my payment to go through for Vintage Story though – that one is fairly new!

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  • Slam_Eye@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Still playing Battlefield 1942 mods.

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  • suaroof@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m still playing Skyrim.

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    • ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I was playing a bunch of Skyrim with mods last year! Awesome game.

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  • Razzazzika@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Well. The nature of my backlog is like I wait for games to come down in price and by the time I get to them they’re 10 years old haha.

    I also have a habit of playing through the entire series before playing the newest one. I’m currently playing Legrnd of Heroes: A Tear of Vermillion which is the 4th game from Japan in that series but the 2nd to be released in US, SO I’m playing through it even though I don’t like it and will beat the next two games to finally play Trails in the Sky which is the one I really probably should have started with.

    I do that with all my games, like Doom Eternal looks cool and so does the upcoming Dark Ages, but I went back and played Doom 1 & 2. 64, then the updated remaster of Doom 1 & 2 when that came out, and now I’m working on Doom 3. I got one more whole Doom game before I even get to Eternal.

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  • ansiz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There is just so much time in a day and I think nostalgia does come to play with this as well. Gaming tends to correlate to being younger and having more free time, so by playing the same games you did back then you’re reliving those days.

    Just a thought anyway, I tend to play older games as well, but also newer games like Baldur’s gate 3 or Path of Exile 2.

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  • ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I bet a small portion of them don’t buy GPU every gen or ever other. 1080 Ti strong.

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    • ottr@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      1070 gang for me

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  • Noite_Etion@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There are good new games, but i cannot afford to pay for them. Especially when I blow through them in a couple of weeks/days.

    Which is why I pirate them as a lot of new games lack quality content, are often buggy, and riddled with dlc/micro transactions. Why risk my money on a buggy undeveloped game when I can ‘test’ them for free, at times I have gone back and paid for a game I really enjoyed… but that is super rare.

    Plus GPUs are overpriced, especially with AI taking over as it is, the price is just going to go up.

    Why bother with all of that when I can just boot up Factorio again. Additionally mods really make old games feel fresh again… And they are free.

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    • Damaskox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      My principle is “One euro, for one hour”.

      Does the game cost 40e? Am I unsure whether I’d enjoy the game for 40 hours? I’ll get it for free first. Does it stick for that 40 hours or more, or will I get sure enough while playing to play that 40 hours at least? OK, take my money. No? It gets forgotten in my folder, and probably deleted later.

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  • buzz86us@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Because crypto miners ruined gaming top end GPUs used to be $300 Max, now were looking in the thousands to have the best GPU for like 6 months, and you can’t buy a used one because it could be a clapped out card used in a crypto miner

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    • GoodEye8@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t think it’s even necessarily that the GPU pricing has ballooned. I think the main reason is that that every new game has to compete with pretty much every other game ever made. For example I enjoyed Death Stranding and I am interested in Death Stranding 2, but I’m probably not getting in on launch because there’s a big chance I’ll probably start playing Stardew Valley for the n’th time, because I feel like that’s what I want to play. I’ll probably play DS2 when I get the Kojima itch.

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      • ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yep, that’s the thing. Games have to be bigger, better, more fun than ever before, and yet the publishers and management want it to be done quicker and quicker than ever before, so it’s a pretty difficult thing. That, combined with bad working conditions and the public shitting on you because “game devs are shitty/greedy/etc” with developers being used coloquially to absorb all the blame that should be reserved for management, and things are in a pretty tough spot.

        Though, at the same time, it’s a better time now than ever before to actually be a gamer, because not only can you play any half-decent new games, but you can also play the entire library of older games, retro games, etc.

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      • Croquette@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        IMO, GPU prices have an impact. Modern gaming has a bad habit of not optimizing games relying on people getting newer GPUs for performance.

        Mix that with the pre-order/early access monetization, and we are to a point where games have made their money before release, and beans counters don’t want to put money in QA because there is no quantifiable ROI (there is a ROI, but it is hard to quantify), which is a no-no in their world.

        Indie games have a tendancy to be less GPU demanding, and thus, usually have a better performance experience

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    • pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Bitcoin switched to industrial ASICs a long time ago, and Ethereum has completely moved away from proof-of-work mining in 2022, see: ethereum.org/en/roadmap/merge/

      The Merge was executed on September 15, 2022. This completed Ethereum’s transition to proof-of-stake consensus, officially deprecating proof-of-work and reducing energy consumption by ~99.95%.

      No one mines with GPUs anymore, at least not for any major blockchain. GPUs are mainly being used with AI now

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      • partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The Merge was executed on September 15, 2022. This completed Ethereum’s transition to proof-of-stake consensus, officially deprecating proof-of-work and reducing energy consumption by ~99.95%.

        I don’t follow crypto trends so I hadn’t heard about this either.

        I had to look up proof-of-stake, and for Ethereum apparently is required to stake 32 coins to operate a node. Another google search shows me a single Ethereum coin is just north of $2k USD. So someone mining Etherium today needs to have more than $64k if Etherium to even run a node now?!

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      • buddascrayon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        That doesn’t mean that their effect on the GPU market will up and vanish overnight. Market correction doesn’t usually it go down as fast as it goes up.

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  • PanArab@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    My most played game in my Steam library is Senran Kagura Shinovi Versus which came out in 2013.

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  • Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Heroes 3 HoTA is still excellent and being actively developed.

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  • Rakonat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Why should I dump 60usd plus into a multiplayer focused game I’ll maybe get to play 4 hours a week during prime times that is going to shrivel up and die in 2 years time when the next big thing comes out?

    Or I can play all these games enjoy, have passionate modding communities adding to the game for free on top of me picking the entire thing up for maybe 20usd on sale if not less.

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  • DarkMetatron@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Me, reading the topic while playing Morrowind: “Yeah, that seems correct!”

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    • ShankShill@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Image

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      • DarkMetatron@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Makes me feel like home 🥰

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      • Hadriscus@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I can hear this picture

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  • Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I see tf2, i click

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  • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I can wait till a game is $5. I’ve got so many to enjoy already.

    Darktide, you’re worth $5. Admit it. Release a dlc pack with new maps gamemodes characters classes whatever if you want more money. But thus base game is worth $5.

    I wanna shoot the heavy bolter at shit. The sounds for the gun sound so satisfyingly chunky. Slap that hunk of metal in the emperor’s name. He’ll yeah

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    • Bearlydave@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I usually wait until the triple A games at under $30. I have a backlog of games I still have yet to touch, so I don’t feel the need to immediately buy games. At $30, even if I only play it for a few hours, it is a decent value per hour.

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  • WhatSay@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Older games & Indie games

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  • PigStyle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Factorio considered older?

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    • Nibodhika@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I mean, Factorio’s early access is the middle point between now and when God of War 2 was released. Meaning that when Factorio was on early access God of War 2 was as old then as Factorio is now.

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    • DrDickHandler@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      DLC is new…

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      • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        So much more room to grow in SPAAAAAAAAAAACE

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    • Baggie@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Probably? I have memories from over a decade back so

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  • Naz@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Helldivers 2 came out in 2024

    By definition, that’s last year, so it’s an old game.

    Bwuh?

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  • MysticKetchup@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    People are reading the headline and assuming they’re talking about older single-purchase games, but the article is actually referring to mostly MTX-driven games that get continuous updates.

    And the data further shows, in Newzoo’s own words, that these 908 million “PC players are heavily skewed towards older, live service games.”

    Remember that even things like Rocket League are about a decade old at this point, and games like LoL, Dota 2 and CS:GO are even older

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  • suite403@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Because we have a giant backlog of steam sales.

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  • ItsJannnneee@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Most new AAA games suck, that’s why. I miss when games were made with passion rather than for a quick soulless cashgrab.

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    • Coskii@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Now they’re made with marketable ‘passion’, ‘dedication’, and a team with ‘a family atmosphere’. My personal favorite ‘respect for the lore and previous games in the series’ definitely never has made a triple A game worse for wear.

      Disingenuous buzzwords with no objective meaning behind them are my favorite things to hear in a game. It tells me to steer clear as far away as I possibly can. Which is a shame because I’d like to be excited about vampire: the masquerade 2.

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