AwesomeLowlander

Dammit you had me happy in the first half

He would even receive envoys from Gaul and get reprimanded by them on occasion

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Maybe, depends which base she broke their hearts at

Disagree. Pay closer attention to cat owners and you’ll see signs of full domestication.

There’s a whole list of reasons why Vaporeon is

At least until your tongue turns black and falls off.

Projecting much?

You’re being ridiculously (and inaccurately) facetious. EVs refer to the entire car, not the battery alone. If anybody had claimed the batteries work just fine at cold temps (which nobody did), that’d be a different matter. EVs designed for cold climate work just fine in those climates.

We’re talking about the increased risk of them doing so in extreme heat

To begin with, that was not part of my original discussion, and I have little knowledge on that issue. However, since we’re on that, can you show some sources that there’s a significantly increased fire risk in summer, and how that compares to ICE vehicles? Based on the info I linked, they’d have to increase by several orders of magnitude to be doing worse than ICE vehicles.

But demanding we commit to only EV’s

Who demanded that? This conversation started when you claimed that EVs couldn’t work in cold climates, and that’s the only thing I’m really taking dispute with.

Then don’t heat up the battery, and see if it runs. Won’t work, because EV’s have to heat up the battery to get it working, because they don’t function in extreme cold.

WTF is wrong with your logic process? Why would you remove a key component of the car? Lets take the starter out of ICE vehicles. Oh hey, they don’t function in any temperature at all!

The point is clear that ICE vehicles work just fine if properly engineered for cold climates.

And while we’re at it, what’s the workaround for the batteries catching fire and exploding in the extreme heat of summer? We need to implement some cooling pumps while we’re at it?

Would you like to bring sources to this discussion? Here’s mine.

1529.9 fires per 100k for ICE vehicles and just 25.1 fires per 100k sales for EVs.

Oh, were you just pointing to 1-in-a-million incidents as reasons to shelve an entire technology. Tsk.

abundant & clean hydrogen.

There’s nothing abundant and clean about them in the current car ecosystem. I’ll grant there’s a possibility of that, but that doesn’t mean much when the competition has already delivered.

Read over what you just wrote, and think about it for a second. If they have to be heated up to function, it supports my assertion that they do not function in extreme cold.

They function at a 12% range loss. That is a far cry from ‘do not function’

That 12% is not insignificant, and that’s just for the piece to keep the battery at operating temperature.

No it’s not. It’s total range loss, not battery capacity reduction. The car gets 12% less total range, that’s the final figure taking everything else into account. You seem to have made up your mind about what you wish to support and are dismissing anything else that does not support your PoV.

I’m not an engineer. I’m pointing out that the real world is proving that EVs can work just fine in the cold, so your assertion that they can’t doesn’t hold any water. This was a recent article of interest, though.

EV’s simply can’t perform in extreme cold,