destroy all religion for the sake of humanity
Eat lead
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mostdubious@lemmy.world 1 year ago
RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
The correct answer would have been: “Why should I? You’re an idiot.”
fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Young earth creationists make up new element called “creationite” from which all elements came from, thereby filling in the radioactive decay plot hole in their narrative.
yogurtwrong@lemmy.world 1 year ago
eat lead? this guy probably has already done that one
Routhinator@startrek.website 1 year ago
Probably not willingly. Republican States are often horrible at updating infrastructure, and due to the lack of a well educated population, they don’t suffer much repercussion for that. Very high chance they grew up with or still have lead pipes.
tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I had a dude come up to me at the reference desk and tell me that the earth can’t be billions (he said trillions, lol) of years old because erosion from the Mississippi River would make it wider and deeper than it is. I pulled up some info including the idea that the Mississippi was something that came about more recently because of plate shifting, etc and he just said, “Nah.”
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I assume someone saying this is a creationist and can just say god created Earth already with the lead in it. Therefore it is a pointless discussion.
Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Which raises the question of why he would create a planet with the illusion of age and send you to hell for falling for his own trick.
NostraDavid@programming.dev 1 year ago
“for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God” - Exodus 20:5
Says it all, really. This whole character trait is that he’s a jealous little asshole. He’s like Dolores Umbridge.
I’m aware Christians may make counter-claims, but I’ve read the old testament, and all he does is to come off as an absolute asshole - you either worship me, or else!
I wasn’t too surprised (but it made sense) that he (Elohim) originally came from the Canaanitic pantheon. How else can you be the only god, yet people shouldn’t worship other gods? He’s not, that’s how.
/rant
Zink@programming.dev 1 year ago
And use his omnipotent power to hide from you while watching your life play out in exactly the way his omniscience let him know it would before he even created the earth or you.
AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Because believers will listen to Christianity’s divinely inspired interpretation of the Bible that says that. Non-christians won’t listen to that. Therefore anyone who believes the earth is older has rejected Christianity. He did it to help identify the non-believers because he’s a petty bitch.
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 1 year ago
lady of the pain tier deityship
Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
I always found it funny how they’ll sometimes try to justify their claims scientifically to give it an air of legitimacy. If god created the stars close to one another and expanded them to fill the sky over a single day, the skies would be dark for billions of years. A YEC could easily say “oh well god put the light there to make the stars look like they’ve been in the sky for a long time” but very often they just don’t have an answer because they didn’t think of one. Unfortunately, there’s almost that will stop them from doubling down on their beliefs and just becoming more prepared for the next person they talk to
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
The debate between Bill Nye and a creationist is so rage inducing. It’s a terrible premise and the fact that Bill even agreed to it gave the creationist credit.
InverseParallax@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah, this is broken because all lead did not have to come from polonium, that’s how half-lives work.
It’s still 100% bullshit in every way, someone just needs to have chatgpt4 sort out the current mass fraction to explain why, I’m way too lazy to argue against insanity.
Draconic_NEO@mander.xyz 1 year ago
Was going to say exactly that, not all lead came from radioactive decay. So this kind of ruins their debunk, Earth’s age has been measured by the amount of lead.
tburkhol@lemmy.world 1 year ago
wwwrcamnl.wr.usgs.gov/isoig/period/pb_iig.html
Lead-204 is the only isotope that doesn’t derive from radioactive decay, and it represents only 1.4% of the lead on earth.
InverseParallax@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Good bot?
mindaika@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
There’s bread from 14,000 years ago
tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Look I don’t like them either, but you can’t refer to crusty bishops that way
frezik@midwest.social 1 year ago
I’m not even sure how you get to 4000 years old from biblical literalisim.
CptKrkIsClmbngThMntn@hexbear.net 1 year ago
The original calculation (adding up all the ages in the genealogies in the Bible) was done a few hundred years ago, but all the young earth creationists I saw put the start at 4000 A.D., so 6000 years ago.
Buelldozer@lemmy.today 1 year ago
So even if you’re working strictly from the bible, how the hell do you get 4000 years?
You can’t. The “Young Earth” people are morons.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The Bible has a long list of names with birthdays and who begat whom. It came from Irish archbishop and scholar James Ussher.
If you believe in the Bible, you get a 4000 year old Earth.
frezik@midwest.social 1 year ago
Ussher calculated 4004BC as the start of the universe, which would be about 6000 years ago.
That’s my point. Most YEC point to 6000 years. Even within their own framework, I don’t see how you get to 4000 years. My best guess is they saw 4004BC and forgot that 1 BC was about 2000 years ago.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There is a very old Jewish Holiday which celebrates new year on a calendar starting with the creation of the Universe, only about 5000+ years, but even that is obscure af.
blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Because anti-evolutionists decided a myth that the Earth is only 4000 years old is the quickest way to refute claims of evolution.
It’s not an argument one forms by observing evidence.
BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 1 year ago
When I was being raised as a young earth creationist, the earth was supposedly 12,000-20,000 years old. Then it was 10,000 years old. Then only 6,000. After I outgrew that nonsense, I joked that in a few decades YECs would say that their god created the earth in 1980, and anyone older than 40 are agents of the devil sent to test your faith.
Live_your_lives@lemmy.world 1 year ago
6,000 to 12,000 years old is what I heard. I’m guessing that this “Christians Against Science” page is a joke community that is making fun of YECs by saying it’s 4,000.
match@pawb.social 1 year ago
God created your with your memories as-is this morning when you woke up
leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
Earth will be created in 2036. This is just a rehearsal.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The Earth was created on January 1st, 1970 and will end on January 19th, 2038.
msage@programming.dev 1 year ago
I remember a time when all of this happens again
GraniteM@lemmy.world 1 year ago
We’re doing the extra-silly speedthrough right now. Next time will be much more comprehensible.
psycho_driver@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“After extensive beta testing we have decided to shelve this project. It just wasn’t working.”
Soleos@lemmy.world 1 year ago
All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.
Malfeasant@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Last Thursday.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 year ago
I could never get the hang of thursdays
gnutrino@programming.dev 1 year ago
Of course, the universe was actually created in 1970 and anyone claiming to be older than 54 is an agent of Microsoft sent to test your faith in Unix.
thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Ahh, hence why there are no negative Unix timestamps.
jas0n@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Half the earth was actually created in 1969. The other half was finished 12 hours later =]
nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 1 year ago
The universe was created along with the release os temple os. Everything before are just memories implanted on us.
modifier@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I was also raised as a young earth creationist and it was always 6k years old for me but I could not begin to tell you why.
psycho_driver@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The 6,000 years comes from the lineage of Jesus as set down in the Bible with names and ages of those in his genetic line.
stupidcasey@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If uranium-238 can be Fused in a star why couldn’t lead be Fused directly and in tern all the elements in between.
johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It does take a pretty long time to get a supernova if you’re starting from scratch.
StrongHorseWeakNeigh@lemmy.world 1 year ago
[deleted]Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 year ago
The craziest thing is new archeological discoveries keep pushing modern humans further and further back into pre-history. Almost makes me wonder if we’ll come full circle and go “yeah humans did in fact coexist with dinosaurs, and here’s proof at least one rode one” /hj
Buelldozer@lemmy.today 1 year ago
You have to be extremely willfully ignorant to think the earth is only 4,000 years old.
The Bible itself makes it obvious that the 4,000 year old thing is a lie.
MicrowavedTea@infosec.pub 1 year ago
Pretty sure the point of creationism is that everything was put on the earth when it was created, including fossils etc. You can’t argue this with logic. My favorite spin off of this is Last Thursdayism where the earth was created last Thursday (regardless of what day it’s now) which basically uses the same argument.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
“It Is Useless To Attempt To Reason A Man Out Of A Thing He Was Never Reasoned Into.” - Jonathan Swift
GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s an ad hoc argument. You can’t argue against any ad hoc arguments with logic
mindaika@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
“God did it to trick you” is pretty hard to disprove
arswaw@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Anything that is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
It’s also hard to argue while also claiming your god is moral, which is why creationists usually scapegoat the task of planting fossils to Satan.
Thorry84@feddit.nl 1 year ago
And the fun scientific counterpart of the Boltzmann brain. The idea that in an infinite universe (at least in a couple of the spatial dimensions if not also a time dimension) random fluctuations could combine to form your brain. Including all of your memories, thoughts, hopes and dreams. You think you have had an entire life, but in reality your brain was just formed moments ago. And it may possibly stop existing in a few more moments, this moment being the only one the brain has actually experienced.
When taken to its natural conclusion, the entire Earth of even the solar system or galaxy might have just been created by random chance. The perfect storm of randomness. It may have been created longer ago or just nanosecond before now. There is no way of telling.
Thermodynamics has been used to counter and strengthen this idea. And with infinity on the table anything goes.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 year ago
You think you have had an entire life, but in reality your brain was just formed moments ago. And it may possibly stop existing in a few more moments, this moment being the only one the brain has actually experienced.
A moment in which I sit on the toilet and read philosophy on my fondleslab and perhaps make this comment. Really a wild thought
Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
I always found the idea of stable Boltzmann brains fascinating. The idea that on an infinite enough universe, there must exist self-sustaining minds that function on an entirely circumstantial set of rules and logic based on whatever the quantum soup spit up.
Ddub@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
That does explain why I can never get the hang of Thursdays
thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Hence the first and only commandment of Last Thursdayism: Don’t Panic.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
TachyonTele@lemm.ee 1 year ago
What, were you born today or something!
Kalkaline@leminal.space 1 year ago
This is false, the Flying Spaghetti Monster in his infinite noodly wisdom and power created the world yesterday and made the Earth appear billions of years old and the universe appear even older.
Erasmus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah this doesn’t do squat to prove or disprove anything to these nutters.
I’ve done the same with a variety of other things and you will get told the same thing:
God put it here.
Thing is you cannot argue with the above statement because it falls into that sort of argument you used to have when you were a child when the other kid would say ‘Nyah! Last word!!’ or ‘I can’t hear you!!’
cogitase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Lead 204 is entirely primordial and the other isotopes found on earth would be found at roughly the same concentration were all of the lead on earth primordial. It’s the excess ratios of the other isotopes of lead that can be attributed to radioactive decay. That is a substantial proportion of the lead on earth, but to say the “existence of lead” is proof of the age of the earth is entirely incorrect.
OrnateLuna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Right? The commenter said the earth is 4000 years and not the universe
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
nO ThAT’s jUSt gOD tEStiNg yOuR FAiTh
🤦♂️
Cutecity@hexbear.net 1 year ago
This proof is partial though. This assumes there is only 1 way of obtaining lead. What if lead appeared from fusion in stars younger than that.
Maturin@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Yeah, subsurface helium would probably have been a better example for this
booty@hexbear.net 1 year ago
don’t eat lead it is bad for you
kitnaht@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I mean, the existence of lead doesn’t necessarily prove the age of the earth so much as that those elements have existed for that long.
HOWEVER – you’re basically guaranteed to find lead in uranium deposits found around the earth, and the ratio of lead/uranium is how we calculated the 4.6 billion years.
Uranium is formed in Neutron stars or Supernova, so at the very least - the uranium found on earth itself is 4.6 billion years old. Whether “Earth” was “Earth” back then, who knows. This could be pre-moon? Could be before the earth even cooled down to have a solid outer layer? So the estimate is bound to be off by a little…
Just not by 4.5 billion years.
I’m pretty sure just soap has been around for more than 4k years.
Hope@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Not to argue for creationism, but this argument sucks. Lead can be produced by fusion in stars, not just through decay of heavier elements. But even that’s besides the point, since if you believe some entity created the universe, surely said entity could have created whatever ratio of lead to uranium they wanted.
(Not so fun fact: the environmental impact of leaded gasoline was discovered by trying to estimate the age of the earth using the radio of lead to uranium in uranium deposits, but the pollution from leaded gasoline was throwing the measurements off.)
Empricorn@feddit.nl 1 year ago
Also, we could be way off on the age because we just don’t know. Sure, we can collect data and extrapolate for billions of years and assume that all elements have always decayed at the same rate, but short of living through it and accurately measuring it with modern instruments, molecules-to-man “macro” evolution can’t actually be proven.
This is why, using the Scientific Method, it is still a theory. A theory accepted by most scientists, but still. There’s a certain arrogance in declaring solved something we can’t actually know for 100% certainty.
TaTTe@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Also I’m amazed by how people don’t seem to understand what half-life is. It’s not the time it takes for an atom to decay. It’s the time it takes for half of the atoms to decay, meaning there will be some U-238 that decay into Ra-226 in just a couple of seconds.
So even if the Earth was created 4000 years ago with uranium but not lead (for some weird reason), some of that lead would have decayed into lead by now.
StaticFalconar@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Well there’s also no way to disprove that everything was created last Tuesday including the memories of things/events happening before last Tuesday.
tatterdemalion@programming.dev 1 year ago
I thought carbon dating of fossils was our best argument against the 4000 years myth.
pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 1 year ago
God could have put the fossils there with the right carbon isotopes.
You can’t use logic to disprove belief in magic.
lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
This would mean that there was more uranium around millions and billions of years in the past so why isn’t there any evidence of prehistoric nukes in the fossil record
DrBob@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Is decay the only way to get lead? I mean if uranium gets synthesized can’t lead get made as well?
Rooskie91@discuss.online 1 year ago
The tragedy is that humans aren’t convinced to change their minds by facts like this. They’re convinced by good stories from their friends and family.
heavyboots@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Dude is gonna come back at him with the first mention of lead in the bible and say, no this is where God created lead, lol.
LilDumpy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Real question: Is the decay of uranium the only natural way to produce lead? If so TIL.
NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Lol, look at this guy, trying to use science and facts to disprove my fairytale. What a joke!
10_0@lemmy.world 1 year ago
But I take everything literally, other than when its inconvenient