honestly I still cant figure out how to configure a network interface properly without using the old control panel.
Microsoft finally officially confirms it's killing Windows Control Panel sometime soon
Submitted 2 months ago by moe90@feddit.nl to technology@lemmy.world
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Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
douglasg14b@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You literally can’t.
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
opening new settings will just replace where you just where
I don’t use windows super often anymore, so I don’t really have that usecase, but man. Just imagining it makes me annoyed and angry
superkret@feddit.org 2 months ago
As admin and tech support, I use the control panel constantly. I use the settings app… for display configuration, I guess?
Curdie@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s not you. There are many things you simply cannot do in the settings app.
Scrollone@feddit.it 2 months ago
And if you can do it, it’s complicated and convoluted. I miss Win32 settings panels, everything was so well organized and simple to manage.
nehal3m@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Yeah the new interface has restrictions it doesn’t tell you about until you try to apply new settings.
purplemonkeymad@programming.dev 2 months ago
You can now reach the network connections folder, using an option on the network status page. It’s something like advanced network options. Still all the classic stuff, but avoids “control panel.” I’m going to guess links like that are not going to be removed.
If they just outright remove all of that, you really will need to learn how to do everything in powershell.
s_s@lemmy.one 2 months ago
The goal is to move you to powershell
stephen01king@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Are you on windows 10 or 11?
Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
Mostly 11 now. I honestly prefer it to 10 now, but that’s with quite about of decrapification done to remove all of Microsoft’s bullshit.
haywire7@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Great. So managing printers, network settings and quickly comparing settings from two places becomes a weird game of screenshots and guessing.
Remote support workers of the world collectively shake their fist in despair.
No way on this planet I will be able to explain the new UI to your average office worker.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s as if they intentionally were making their products unusable for ADHD and especially AuDHD people.
I wonder sometimes, maybe they are. Maybe there’s some policy coming from some macchiavellian cokehead in a suit, that people like us spoil their big, important social mechanisms and introduce a measure of chaos they don’t want, so we have to be suppressed.
I just don’t understand why Windows is such an ADHD torture today. Even XP wasn’t.
It really seems sometimes as if they were going out of their way to make it such, not only MS, but also Google, Apple and who not.
elucubra@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Its not good. Control panel is consistent and precise. Settings is not consistent lacks many settings qn many are dumbed down
curry@programming.dev 2 months ago
Definitely an issue. I can’t count the times I’ve slammed my head because the new stupid settings screen “conveniently” switched from the previous item to another while I still expect it to open a new window just like the command panel.
Clbull@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I have friends who work in IT and would probably slam their head against the wall if they had to deal with Control Panel being removed.
Are Microsoft deliberately trying to make the fabled Year of the Linux Desktop finally become a reality? Because I feel like we’re two or three more dumbfuck business moves away from this…
tacosplease@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I have a PC at home that works perfectly fine. Browses the internet, emulates GameCube and Dreamcast, runs any app I need.
It’s not eligible for Windows 11. In about a month MS will just stop supporting my PC, and it will not have the option to be a Windows PC despite still having plenty of service time to offer.
Microsoft is basically forcing that PC to run Linux instead.
AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Windows 10 is being supported until next October, you’ve got more than a month. That said, I’ve been on Linux for just over a month and I’m so much happier with it. I really like KDE Plasma as a desktop environment. I made the leap because I was unhappy with Windows, but at this point I genuinely prefer Linux.
SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Can confirm, want to change your domain or computer name? Windows 7/10: control panel , system , computer name tab. Windows 10 /11: control panel, system, windows settings, advanced system settings, old system control panel, computer name tab.
Why add a middle man??
Eyron@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That many steps? WindowsKey+Break > Change computer name.
If you’re okay with three steps, on Windows 10 and newer, you can right click the start menu and generally open system. Just about any version supports rught clicking “My Computer” or “This PC” and selecting properties, as well.
ParkedInReverse@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Open Start or hit Win+R- type sysdm.cpl. Done. They kill off the easy to click icon in Control Panel, but they leave the stuff in still. I doubt they’ll remove them. Or at least hope not, lol. Settings is such a cluster to go through.
FireWire400@lemmy.world 2 months ago
slam their head against the wall
I already do that enough as it is with Windows 11…
curry@programming.dev 2 months ago
I’ve been using linux for about a decade. I only know how to maintain my system and googling when troubles arise. I’m pretty comfortable with my setup and would love to see many make that jump as well. However, I have to concede that corporate environments add a whole another dimension to the problem.
HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Control panel largely accrued content - it is generally navigated via left and right click which works great and is stable. Things don’t vanish.
Settings, on the other hand, is left click only navigation mostly. It also changed constantly (usually for the worst) - tutorials written 2 years ago are no longer valid because access to that setting was removed. This makes using settings to fix things a real nightmare.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 months ago
But luckily each item has a lot of “maybe you were looking for X or Y” at the bottom since you can’t find anything in there. So just click anywhere, and scroll to the bottom and you’ll find what you want in 2 or 3 screens.
Unless it’s been removed. Then you just ask the resident IA.
Windows is so easy!
I run SuSE btw.
shaggy959500@lemmy.world 2 months ago
RIP. It’s been coming for a while, and Control Panel will likely be on hospice for a few more years, but it will be a sad day when control panel is gone.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Gone in favor of a less useful interface. Fantastic!
db2@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It is Windows…
partial_accumen@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Gone in favor of
a less useful interfacePowershell commands. Fantastic!werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 2 months ago
No. Don’t worry, they moved the controls to the edge browser! Isn’t that great 😃? 👍👍👍.
This will bring so many people to Linux and will force so many others to start their own OSes.
Kushan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I honestly wouldn’t mind the new interface if it at least has all the options and functionality from the control panel, but it doesn’t - there’s so much functionality you can only access via control panel
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
They can just make an AI called “Control” that will handle all the settings for everyone.
RustyShackleford@literature.cafe 2 months ago
Control Panel will likely be on hospice for a few more years
And I’ll keep visiting Control Panel in hospice. Bite me Microsoft.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 months ago
WTF why did I misread your comment as “Chris Parnell”
kamen@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’d be fine if 1) everything from Control Panel is implemented and properly working and 2) everything stays consistent (because otherwise, as other folks have mentioned, at one point written tutorials even with screenshots quickly become obsolete. I don’t see this happening any time soon. Maybe instead of that they can start encouraging people to use the command line, although even fewer settings are reachable though there.
ikidd@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Their settings pages are the worst; full of white space, finding what they considered “advanced” settings is usually a pain in the ass, and everything is dumbed down to a mind-numbing extent.
I’ve hated Settings pages with a passion since they were introduced, and always typed the full .msc I was looking for.
1Fuji2Taka3Nasubi@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
I really hate that you can only open one settings page at a time. There is no justification to making you lose your place you’re working on just because you want to adjust another minor setting. With the old interface I can e.g. have network and sound settings open at the same time and I don’t know why they took that away.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 2 months ago
the loss of info density in favor of making everything fingerable has been one of the worst things to happen to anyone slightly inclined at managing systems. i hate trying to manage things in a touch based UI. so much fucking scrolling and wasted space. it does look nice , but fuck is it a productivity killer.
lemmyingly@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I also dislike the design layout. Eg. I much the control panel version of Disk Management than the settings purely from an aesthetics stand point. Each disk and their partitions are just easier to see and differentiate from others.
octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Maybe instead of that they can start encouraging people to use the command line
LOL, there’s no more common phobia among Windows users than the CLI. EVERY Linux discussion “BUT ZOMG CLI COMMANDS!” (when realistically a novice user can avoid them most of the time, and they absolutely are more efficient for helping someone via lemmy post or similar than figuring out what version of what DE they have and trying to tell them the 12 clicks they need to do for the same task)
curry@programming.dev 2 months ago
No joke. Opening a command line from window by itself is considered hacking by many. Even toggling dark mode in websites triggers that fear.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
between the powershell push, wsl, and sudo for windows they are pushing command line usage for advanced users though
Katana314@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I guarantee you they’ve only ported over about half of the Control Panel’s features. The common stuff, sure. The rest…
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
the control panel they’re taking away is largely just antiquated and not used anymore in favour of settings app anyway
LoftySnowman@lemmy.world 2 months ago
There are still things that don’t work in the new UI. A common example for me is changing the output of speakers on my htpc. Sometimes after an update it reverts to 2.0. Need to launch the old sound control panel to set it back to 7.1.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 2 months ago
except any advanced user relies in that instead of the garbage settings menu
bluewing@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Users complain about changes being made and then they complain that change doesn’t happen enough.
HeartyOfGlass@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Gotta brush up on the ol’ powershell
kirk781@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
Talking about consistency, technically Windows still has UI elements from 3.1 era at Atleast couple of obscure places.
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 2 months ago
Windows “god mode”: howtogeek.com/…/enable-god-mode-in-windows-10/
What is god mode?
it’s simply a special folder you can enable that exposes most of Windows’ admin, management, settings, and Control Panel tools in a single, easy-to-scroll-through interface
It’s very easy to set this up, and it also works in Windows 11. Even if Microsoft removes access to the normal Control Panel, I seriously doubt this will be taken out.
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I hate to be that guy, but why don’t you just move over to Linux already? Games work. It’s incredibly easy now. A nine year old could install and use xubuntu.
Plopp@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Why is this argument so common? “Games work on Linux now so you can switch over”. As if games is the only thing holding people back. My laptops are finally running Linux full time now, but I’ve been looking to switch my workstation over to Linux for 25 years now and I’m still not able to fully do it due to limited software and hardware support, and I barely play any games.
haywire7@lemmy.world 2 months ago
There are a lot of games that work. Still some that hold out, mainly due to their shitty anticheat software.
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 2 months ago
I am past the point of having “a” computer with “an” operating system… the concept of “moving” to another OS is basically irrelevant… I use different environments for different purposes and there’s no good reason to leave potential functional value unused for the sake of ideological convictions or fanboyism or whatever. My problems now revolve around having a useful cross-platform account that has access to my files on any/all of my platforms/VMs. I do lean heavily on open source software, I prefer it to proprietary.
More basically, an OS is not a food that you might like or dislike, it is a tool that you use when it is suited to the task. Discriminating against tools doesn’t make sense, it only limits your capabilities.
Please read this older comment of mine, it explains my point of view on this more… and if you want to do something really interesting then try to implement Qubes and actually use it for awhile.
linearchaos@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’ve been daily driving Linux for a long time. It’s honestly still not for everyone.
Anti-cheat is still a problem Roblox is still a problem. There are still plenty of programs that people are intimately married to the don’t run well under wine. You can’t just tell them you can’t have Photoshop Premier and Outlook anymore. Arguably a number of the people who don’t fall under that criteria could be running Chromebooks.
And honestly we’re not going to properly support them when their autocomplete software doesn’t run under Wayland or parsec doesn’t support server mode.
It’s great that you either have the chops to fill in the gaps or don’t run the software that has the gaps, but you really can’t ask everyone to do that right?
curry@programming.dev 2 months ago
I use linux at home everyday but I’m stuck with windows at work. I just wanna scream.
Scrollone@feddit.it 2 months ago
I used to love HowToGeek, but I sadly see that now that’s also enshittified (not the article you linked, but the most recent ones).
endofline@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
I know this but they can break it as well if they do remove it not only hide it ( class ids ). For me it’s plain as the new windows settings are dead slow and it won’t be usable if your computer is under very heavy load. Only cmd, maybe powershell and maybe sys internals will be what’s left for you
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 2 months ago
This is never going to happen fully, because there is a ton of software and also device drivers that hook into the OG Control Panel system and install their own .cpl’s there, which are required for that hardware/software to work. The system to support those is going to have to remain in place, otherwise Microsoft is going to have a lot of very angry corporate customers and hardware vendors up their noses in short order.
In fact, this is most likely the exact reason the Control Panel still exists behind the scenes the way it does today in Win10 and Win11. They’ll probably go to ever-greater lengths to hide it from home users, but I’d doubt they can actually remove it completely at this point.
In fact, from TFA:
Tip: while the Control Panel still exists for compatibility reasons and to provide access to some settings that have not yet migrated, you’re encouraged to use the Settings app, whenever possible.
SuperCub@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I’m sure they could keep the backend and just update the look and UI frontend though, no?
nobleshift@lemmy.world 2 months ago
So how many different locations am I going to have to click through to get the settings done now??
PraiseTheSoup@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Well, one less, because the place where they all are won’t be there anymore.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
So in six months, someone will have written a third-party Windows Control Panel.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If they actually move all the settings over to the “new” settings app (it’s actually 12 years old now): good. It’s an absolute joke that there are multiple settings apps in windows, with design inconsistency across them, and it being a crapshoot whether the screen you look at will support dark mode or not.
If they don’t move all the settings over: bad. Yeah they’re usually niche, but some of those options are needed.
Since this is Microsoft we’re talking about, it’s probably going to be the latter, unfortunately.
cyborganism@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
That’s okay because Windows will be gone entirely from my PC in a month.
ReveredOxygen@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
This doesn’t say they’re removing it, just deprecating it. I thought it had been deprecated for ages
curry@programming.dev 2 months ago
Didn’t they learn that taking away what people grew up with for more than two decades already will result in outraged customers? (Windows 8 - start menu removed and replaced by start screen)
PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Fine. Next desktop build is linux.
dubyakay@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
I work on an application that went through multiple iterations of UIs. Each superseded the previous one and a new admin UI was built into them. The oldest one was using Flash.
Occasionally I still have to drill down through four layers of “open legacy UI here” to get to some obscure, long forgotten setting. Manipulating shit with half-working elements in a VM running a flash-capable browser. Day to day I just go back one iteration though, because the admin UI has everything I need there. Unlike the latest iteration.
Some day we play on killing off the flash UI version completely. We already have planned workarounds in place to manipulate those obscure settings through endpoint calls. Won’t be missed. But I’d miss the second to last admin UI that has everything where I need greatly.
This is what ms is killing off now. A good UI in windows where you can find everything. And all it’d have taken to make it better is give it a robust search functionality. No one cares about going back and forth in convoluted loops between sleek UI pages. People that care to manage stuff in windows at depth will be forced into shallow shit.
mlg@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If I hadn’t already migrated to Linux after the insider crapshow, this probably would have forced me off.
Veneroso@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The en-metro-ification continues.
I mean, sticking with a paradigm that existed at least since windows 3.11 (my first version of windows) isn’t exactly ideal, entire software stacks are built around it existing.
It’s really too bad that Microsoft abandoned Windows Phone, because that is where this UI makes sense. But shoehorning the mistake of windows 8 into everything seems like doubling down on failure.
It would be nice if a competitor entered the space where usability
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
I am pure linux for personal use and mac for work but:
Good. One of the biggest problems Windows has had for the past decade or so is having like three different versions of every menu and needing to figure out which one let you do what you want. Consolidate that shit
Eiri@lemmy.world 2 months ago
My god, the amount of legacy crap in Windows.
They ought to just start over at some point.
Solwolf@discuss.online 2 months ago
Just kill all of windows already
biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Any bet the control panel is the only thing holding my dad back from switching to Linux for home use, because he absolutely hates the windows 10 and 11 settings apps.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 months ago
so who’s gonna build us a control panel widget. I can only code C
StringPotatoTheory@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I hope they don’t make that update to windows 10 as well 😭 control panel feels faster to use than windows settings
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m NEVER moving away from Windows 7.
11111one11111@lemmy.world 2 months ago
What a fucking piece of shit company. What’s the eta to fully learn Linux, and learn how to set up a dual boot os where Linus is daily driver but a local windows account is on its own drive for emergencies and gaming.
Plopp@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Thank fuck I’m in the process of moving to Linux. I loathe the Settings app. Will be sad to not be able to say I know how to properly use Windows anymore, when I used to know it like the back of my hand. Not being able to give support to friends and family will feel really weird.
200ok@lemmy.world 2 months ago
TL;DR - It’s being
replacedrenamed to “Settings”Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 2 months ago
HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world 2 months ago
In favor of what? I still have to use control panel because some things are seemingly unreachable by the “settings” menus.
mkwt@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yeah. This sounds a lot like some PM type thinks they’re gonna get rid of control panel, and they just don’t know what all is actually in there.
And not to mention the custom control panel applets hanging around out there from who-knows-what vendors.
cheddar@programming.dev 2 months ago
I don’t think that the PM is wrong. They absolutely can get rid of the control panel. It’s the user who will suffer ✌
Scrollone@feddit.it 2 months ago
I wonder if there would be a way to “embed” those old panel applets into the new settings somehow.
lemann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
AMD FirePro and Catalyst users are going to probably stay on an older version of the OS, considering most of those users are going to be educational institutions, engineering workshops, makerspaces/hackerspaces etc.
Can’t think of any other vendor products that integrated quite as much into the legacy control panel area
throws_lemy@lemmy.nz 2 months ago
That’s M$ intention, to hide some settings from users and to lose control of Windows.
HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Right, I forgot, MS doesn’t want you to have control what programs are doing or how your computer works. Corporate way or…linux.
I may be technologically challenged but Microsoft has been steadily selling me on linux ever since windows 10.
SorryQuick@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
It’s probably all in the registry somewhere.
stephen01king@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
I wonder if you’re talking about the windows 10 or windows 11 version of the settings app?
HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yes. I have win 10 and 11 devices. They both lack certain options and I’ve had to go around them, like using control panel. In this case only the win 11 device is at risk of getting much worse.