cross-posted from: midwest.social/post/11490010
Update, yes there are snipers:
Just a matter of time before we have another Kent State.
Possible snipers seen at OSU. Administration says they're not snipers but should be treated like they are.
Submitted 6 months ago by M0oP0o@mander.xyz to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
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Jaysyn@kbin.social 6 months ago
PoorYorick@lemmy.world 6 months ago
My fear is that the next one will be worse.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
With the artillery that’s out there these days, it’s almost a certainty.
Kalysta@lemm.ee 6 months ago
And happen because a foreign country willed it so.
malloc@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It was really close at UT. State police, city police, and national guard called in by spineless university president (Jay Hartzell).
Fuck Jay Hartzell. Hope he gets recalled. No golden parachute.
HuntressHimbo@lemm.ee 6 months ago
The fact that no charges are being filed should result in a strong condemnation and accountability for the administration and the cops. You put everyone in danger when no crime was being committed. There won’t be, but there should be.
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Don’t forget about Jackson State.
The event happened 11 days after the Kent State shootings
solomon42069@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It feels like these protests are going to shape how the governments of the world will respond to mass unrest in the future.
Or in other words - those in charge want the common person to be disempowered, to frame a peaceful protest as an act of terrorism so they can be more aggressive in future.
Hopefully no one on either side does anything stupid.
~___~
Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
These reactions by the US government to a student protest are nothing new and the fact they haven’t sent in the army and killed anyone yet shows it’s not even as bad as it historically has.
Not everything a shithole like America does dictates what the rest of the world does.
uis@lemm.ee 6 months ago
they haven’t sent in the army and killed anyone yet shows it’s not even as bad as it historically has been.
To be worse than Lukashenko is real achivement.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 6 months ago
In the future?
Ask any student population in the past who were shot, beaten, tasered, hosed down with water cannons, and jailed what they thought would happen to future protesters.
The shape of silencing unrest, especially anti-war or liberal unrest, hasn’t changed at all. And it will look just the same a decade from now.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
If those snipers were to shoot someone, the protests would be twice the size the next day.
Look what happened when Nixon, Reagan and Trump escalated violence in response to protests.
Nixon’s in songs for killiing Ohioans.
BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 6 months ago
From Wiki, sadly: “President Richard Nixon, who is criticized in the song, won a landslide reelection in 1972, which included winning the 1972 United States presidential election in Ohio by a margin of over 21%.”
Kalysta@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Yes but it would be nice if the government would listen to us before someone dies.
MataVatnik@lemmy.world 6 months ago
This shit has been going on for decades. I went through the Pittsburgh G20 more than a decade ago. Same shit.
Fredselfish@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No one should allow their children to attend that school. Everyone protesting should unenroll and switch to better school.
Also the administration should be fired and arrested for allowing school shooters on their fucking roof. What the fuck.
piecat@lemmy.world 6 months ago
They don’t really have say. Blame the state government.
ElmerFudd@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You can always count on a demented righty, often an off-duty cop, to show up dressed as a lefty to light a fire, break a window, or shoot someone. That’s why they’re always using that exact accusation against leftists, because they’re actually doing it.
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 6 months ago
too late
TheCelticPirate@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Tin soldiers and Nixon coming We’re finally on our own This summer I hear the drumming Four dead in Ohio Gotta get down to it, soldiers are cutting us down Should have been gone long ago What if you knew her and found her dead on the ground How can you run when you know?
Crackhappy@lemmy.world 6 months ago
For those who don’t know it. youtu.be/h-w_V0ikniA?si=oacP4alhBgcRGBrq
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
minus tracking link
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Thanks! I am 43 and had no idea that Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young had ever collaborated.
thatirishguyyy@lemmy.today 6 months ago
Pretty sure Nixon was napping
umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
the land of the free
echodot@feddit.uk 6 months ago
Never has been. National anthem notwithstanding the United States has always been land of the richest getting what they want.
Hell the entire history of the United States is basically, we want something so we’re going to have it, and if there’s inconvenient people in the way then those inconvenient people will go away or die. The US had race separation until as recently as the 1960s. Wherever was the freedom?
uis@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Isn’t USSA the land of religions? They even have it in their motto.
Galapagon@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
It’s like it was almost designed for the rich to begin with.
QaspR@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Name a country where it is not the case that your first paragraph is true.
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 6 months ago
What? The “land of the free”?
Whoever told you that is your enemywhou@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
Now something must be done
About vengeance, a badge, and a gun
profdc9@lemmy.world 6 months ago
This seems so incredibly ill-advised. If students become martyred by trigger-happy snipers, these protests will boil over into open violence. Imagine thousands of videos flooding social media in an instant showing student corpses. I fear that gasoline has been poured and matches are being lit everywhere.
ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
There won’t be any meaningful amount of violence. People in the US are total bitches when it comes to actually fighting the system. At worst, there will be a riot, where the most predominant activity is looting, and then the National Guard will be called in and everyone will roll over like they always do.
Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
To be fair it’s kind of hard to not roll over to the National Guard
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 6 months ago
We’ll get some kickass industrial songs about it in 15 years though.
deft@lemmy.wtf 6 months ago
Totally not true lol. Jan 6th, LA riots of the 90s, the various riots during the height of BLM movements, Seattle, Unite the Right rally both sides.
People are upset, they cause damage and even sometimes try to assassinate people. The US probably faces more domestic terrorism than most places.
We have a very strong police state
wolfeh@lemmy.world 6 months ago
What is it with Ohio and murdering college protesters? (See: Kent State)
zik@lemmy.world 6 months ago
We should treat them like snipers? ie. We should rush them and neutralise the threat they pose?
misterundercoat@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Rocket jump up there and disrupt them, that’s your job as a soldier
Bdtrngl@lemmy.world 6 months ago
As a former pyro main: w+m1 with a back burner.
uis@lemm.ee 6 months ago
AA5B@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That would be foolhardy: I so want to take this one step further for imaginary karma but don’t want to be on a list
Emmie@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I think those are to protect from psychos that want to kill the protesters.
Woozythebear@lemmy.world 6 months ago
This is fucking cope… I guess you lived in a cave during the BLM protests
uis@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Or like was in saner country.
Kalysta@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Oh you sweet summer child.
No. The cops ARE the psychos that want to kill the protesters.
Just look at the past century of protests in America and how much “good” cops did vs how many innocents they hurt.
Emmie@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Maybe touch the grass. No, seriously. Break from tankie doomerposting in some insane web bubble.
I am scared to think how you must feel on a daily to daily basis if you believe they will do what exactly?
It must suck to be you honestly
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 6 months ago
OK, so lets think this out. These are pointed at the crowd correct so lets assume the threat is from the crowd.
You have some Ne’er-do-well in the crowd who is planing some type of trouble, you notice this person looking “dastardly” from your sniper nest. You radio in and get the go ahead to take the shot with your trusty Remington M700. You shoot centre mass as you have been trained to do and the villain drops like a puppet with its strings cut.
You saved the day right? Oh no that is just the start, since the round fired was a 7.62x51mm NATO (there is no “rubber” round for this firearm) it went straight through the torso of that protester with a box knife and into and then back out of at least a few other people in the dense crowd (must be their fault for not wearing better body armour). The gunshot is still noticed even with the police issued silencer and at seeing the carnage the crowd does what crowds do, they stampede.
After the chaos settles down the body count will be a lot higher then that one person with a box cutter could ever manage (not that you can even say they where going to do anything).
These are not there to protect people, that is not their role, this is not an action movie.
Emmie@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I imagine there are situations where benefit outweigh the risks. Probably not your interestingly creative scenario. But congratulations for your vivid depiction.
kerrigan778@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I think you either overestimate overpenetration at range or underestimate the training a sniper has on that very subject.
aidan@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You saved the day right? Oh no that is just the start, since the round fired was a 7.62x51mm NATO (there is no “rubber” round for this firearm) it went straight through the torso of that protester with a box knife and into and then back out of at least a few other people
High angle means it would likely go into the ground. Also could use hollow point though, I don’t know if police use hollow point on rifles.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
You saved the day right? Oh no that is just the start, since the round fired was a 7.62x51mm NATO (there is no “rubber” round for this firearm) it went straight through the torso of that protester with a box knife and into and then back out of at least a few other people in the dense crowd (must be their fault for not wearing better body armour). The gunshot is still noticed even with the police issued silencer and at seeing the carnage the crowd does what crowds do, they stampede.
it depends on how densely packed the people are and how high the approach angle of the bullet is, at 45 degrees, in center mass, it’s only grazing a foot or two before being at knee level lol.
Windex007@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I mean, obviously question: how does one treat them as if they are?
(Make them say the quiet part out loud)
Revan343@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Ideally, countersnipers
rigatti@lemmy.world 6 months ago
If everyone’s a sniper, we’re all safe.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 6 months ago
Counter-“clearly not at all snipers”
thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Heavy artillery? FPV drone?
Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Hell yeah
uis@lemm.ee 6 months ago
ReallyKinda@kbin.social 6 months ago
Love how the narrative went from “nah those can’t be snipers definitely spotters” to “snipers are commonplace at big events!” once it was conditioned. Also the fact that only msn and snopes have published anything about this (or is that just a search indexing problem?).
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 6 months ago
Yeah, that is why it fits here. The response from Americans is depressing.
I think it is a search index issue, I can find a few things on this. The arrests are also a thing.
There is also the wayback machine to watch in real time the changing of story by the school:
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
this is the monthly post of someone realizing that crowds of people in public venues, particularly large ones, draw snipers.
Love to see it.
MonkderDritte@feddit.de 6 months ago
that crowds of people in public venues … draw snipers.
No, not here. Must be an american thing.
uis@lemm.ee 6 months ago
AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Can’t wait for a headline about them accidentally shooting an innocent person and then admin goes on the defensive, claiming that the snipers were only doing their job. That, or hush the grieving family by either paying them to shut up or flat out erase them by buying off the police.
MataVatnik@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I don’t know why but this amuses me. An amateur can easily hit a target at 200 yards the size of a baseball using a 6.5 Creedmore. These snipers are extremely visible and exposed. I’m guessing an attacker or a mass shooter would probably not be thinking about taking out snipers though.
pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 6 months ago
Is that bitch wearing a mask to hide their identity?
stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 6 months ago
So I have a question I sort of posted in there too but figure I’ll bring the conversation over here (in a more respectful way)
These are called spotters/marksman and they have them at football games, the Olympics, presumably political events, etc. to handle the threat of suicide bombers and other mass-population terrorist threats
How should we handle these threats without police intervention/snipers to quickly take out a bomber?
Looking for civil discourse if at all possible, but I also understand this is a high stakes discussion and directly affects some more than others
LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 6 months ago
They’re just business men with business plans. They’re totally not cops.
malloc@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Too many assholes in this country think they are the American Sniper.
WhyDoYouPersist@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Administration speechcraft level 100
IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Is there a better source than a screenshot of a tweet?
nek0d3r@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Civil war speedrun any%
Dra@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
In the same way that someone repeatedly telling you how much of an alpha male they are is often projection, so is any reference to a nations “freedom”
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Why aren’t they going to where the lawmakers are to protest? /s
WamGams@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Those don’t look like rifkrd from this angle. They appear to be monoculars.
Nog00d@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Zengen@lemmy.world 6 months ago
So we need to get on the roof and detain the snipers.
Revonult@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I put this in the other thread but they have these guys out for EVERY football game. I believe its their standard practice for crowded events. Have your own options, but its not like this is a unique situation. Like I see people talking about trigger happy snipers and shooting kids but that just isn’t something that had happend dispite being frequently deployed.
Grobmobularb@lemmy.world 6 months ago
An eagle never misses
LovingHippieCat@lemmy.world 6 months ago
“Geez, they’re not snipers! They’re just using the sniper scope as a telescope! They’re not for use as actual snipers! We just gotta use them to look at the evil protestors!”"
HonkTonkWoman@lemm.ee 6 months ago
“These are not weapons trained at your precious little foreheads, they’re Democracy Spreaders™’. You go to class & learn all about democracy & when you exit the building, we use these to spread all that democracy stored up in your brains all over the wall behind you.“
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 6 months ago
Managed democracy is a joke too close to reality.
1995ToyotaCorolla@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The fact that a rifle is attached to the telescope is just a funny coincidence
g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world 6 months ago
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