How does employing a rapist not constitute an unsafe work environment for female employees?

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• captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Because he’s either innocent until proven guilty or he’s served his time. You can discuss it with HR and express your concerns about him, but unless he’s continued to behave predatorily he’s likely just only going to be subjected to increased scrutiny

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  • Fosheze@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The last time he raped someone he was in prison for less than 2 years. Considering that wasn’t his first offence I highly doubt that changed him. Also HR is already aware. Apparently they fired the last person who brought it up to them.

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    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Oh then yeah I’ve got no fucking clue, firing the last person who brought it up absolutely should be illegal.

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    • lars@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      1. Be in an industry and location where finding a backup job is not impossible
      2. Record yourself telling HR you’re afraid for your coworkers and yourself
      3. Email HR a summary of your meeting

      Optional subsequent steps

      1. Get fired
      2. Take the audio to a labor attorney who will take your wrongful termination case for free
      3. Profit

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    • squid_slime@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Repeat offenders are the one I’d be worried about, america isn’t known for functioning reform system.

      I hope your friend can heal, sorry for what your dealing with

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    • harry_balzac@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Where I work, most positions do not require a background check so we have a mix of people (men, women, trans, nonbinary) with criminal convictions, including sex offenders.

      The only thing that matters is their behavior in the workplace. You get fired because of attendance or poor performance.

      The biggest problem people at my workplace are the people who try to make someones past an issue.

      Also, your statement that you “highly doubt that changed him” is very telling. Basically it shows that you are the one with the problem. Unless you have firsthand knowledge then you are trying to justify your negative feelings.

      Maybe this last time changed them. Maybe they got help. Maybe they’re in therapy and are trying to change.

      This person and your employer are under no obligation to do what you want when there is no justification other than your own personal judgement.

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  • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Because he’s either innocent until proven guilty or he’s served his time.

    presumed innocent until proven guilty… Is a procedural doctrine for courts. while the guy presumably has served his time and deserves fair treatment… the OP is also justified in raising this concern with management. Not that management will do anything, because they’ve already determined it’s not a problem. They will, perhaps, accommodate the OP in scheduling them on opposite shifts or placing them away from him.

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    • hoshikarakitaridia@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I mean you are making a fair argument that there’s a distinction between your own morals and the binding rules in place. You are free to feel a lot of things that are very bad, but when you act on them you will bump into reality.

      That said I think the original comment was meant to say that the only reason he is here is because society through the legal process has found him to be safe to work there.

      Now to get beyond the feelings against him OP can obviously talk to HR and make sure they get some distance, but if the courts found him not guilty, he deserves to be there. Imagine serving years in prison, working on yourself until the government finally finds you fit enough to enter society again, only for ppl to kick you out of your job again because of something you tried so hard to leave behind. That’s why the prison system usually focuses on rehabilitation instead of punishment in most civil countries.

      What I’m saying is, the court’s ruling does not have to change the way you feel, but the court also says you have no right to take his job from him unless he commits crimes again. No feeling can measure heavy enough to weigh up against the right for him to live a normal life.

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    • NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It doesn’t change the reality of whether or not the individual committed a crime.

      But YOU cannot know that “reality” unless (either you are the judge or) you have knowledge of the court’s verdict.

      Calling someone a criminal without any such knowledge is a false accusation.

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• UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  From a Norwegian point of view, once someone has served their time, they’ve served their time and should be encouraged to get back into society. Freezing people out of society will only cause harm, and push them towards anti social behavior.

  The US model of punishing criminals is clearly proving to do more harm than good, so why would you push for that model even further?

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  • db2@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Because puritans.

    That said though I wouldn’t be comfortable working with a known rapist either.

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  • JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Well said. I know a lawyer in Singapore, and they have a band where they perform with the very people they put away as a means of reintegration and rehabilitation of convicts post incarceration. As society, we need to do better than labels and prejudice.

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  • DessertStorms@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    While I agree that restorative justice is always better than punitive justice, nowhere in the post does OP mention that any justice was served at all, and statistically, it is almost certain that the rapist never saw a day of prison, and potentially isn't even on the sex offenders list.

    They also never said they wanted them punished, but rather, that the safety of women be ensured, and in the same way known paedophiles shouldn't be put in positions where they have access to children, it isn't unreasonable to at least wish that a known rapist wouldn't be put in a position where they have access to potential victims. This is not punishment, it is consequences for actions.

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    • gibmiser@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      50% of the population is women. How would that even work?

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    • UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If the person wasn’t convicted for rape, at what grounds should the company fire the person on, rumours?

      And I don’t think you can compare it to child molesters not being allowed to work with children. Women are ~50% of the workforce, you’ll interact with them in nearly every work scenario. Your only option would be isolate a sizeable percentage of people from most jobs, with all the ramifications such a move would have.

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  • Fosheze@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    For most crimes I 100% agree. Rape is different though. There is no legitimate cause for rape. There is no frame of reference where rape is acceptable. The only reason you rape someone is because youre a rabid animal who is fundamentaly unfit to be in society. The only thing you can do with people like that is mitigate the risk they pose to others. In this case that would mean not allowing him to work somewhere where he has access to potential victims. In the post covid era that is incredibly easy with the supply of low skill remote work jobs.

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    • fishos@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Why is rape always different than murder? You go on this whole tirade about how “but rape is different”, but is it? So you’d rather be next to a repeat murderer?

      Is this really motivated by logic or by emotion? You don’t speak facts(many of the things you said apply to murder as well, but “only rape” qualifies for you) and your description of them as “rabid animals” is all the more telling. I’m not excusing their previous actions, but your behavior isn’t better.

      You want a society where people grow and developed and are rehabilitated? It starts with losing outdated nonsense like that. He served his time. He’s allowed to be part of society now. I suspect the other employee who was “fired for bringing it up” probably made some big show or threat, in which case, yeah, they should be fired for creating a hostile workplace for the other employee. Protections go both ways, bud.

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    • UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      In what way is it different from murder or non sexual assault? They’re all inexcusable, and the offender should be locked up for x amount of time for rehabilitation. Around 4-16% of men in US college(seriously, wtf) commit sexual assault, you can’t just brush them under a carpet hope it all sorts out.

      Social isolation sounds like the worst possible solution if you want to stop repeat offences. Rather, they should learn how healthy social interactions work and where the line of personal space is drawn.

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    • otp@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There is no legitimate cause for rape.

      There is no legitimate cause for murder. If you’re found guilty, it wasn’t something like self-defense.

      The only thing you can do with people like that is mitigate the risk they pose to others.

      Your judicial system has determined that the risk has been mitigated. I’m not sure if I’d agree with the overall assessment, but I would bet that gainful employment helps with the mitigation.

      Some places treat rape as a mild crime. If you’re in the US, which you might be, I’ve always found that weird… anything sexual is incredibly taboo, but the punishments for rape in some places are so “toned down”, like punishments for neglectful killings involving vehicles. It’s like they tone the punishments down because they don’t think they’re that bad.

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    • sab@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That wouldn't really solve anything though, as long as they're still out and about in society. So if we follow this argument basically where we end up is prison for life.

      If we are to release people we have to give them a real chance go get their life right. Releasing people from prison only to cripple them and make sure they can never live a normal life is not likely to solve any problems.

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  • PlasterAnalyst@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I'll just leave this here

    crime-free-association.org/about_crime_free.htm

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    • otp@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You can’t leave it there if it’s not a link! Lol

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• JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Was he tried and has he served his sentence? If so, it’s incumbent on society to put aside the personal feelings and help the criminal (yes that’s what I said) re-integrate into society. It’s either that, or fight for a different system.

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  • spez_@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Life in prison

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    • Gabu@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If that’s what you want to happen to you, I’m sure we can help

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    • WaxedWookie@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So we shouldn’t try to reform people - just piss away a human life at a cost of $14K-$70K per year to the taxpayers in what’s already the most incercerated population in the world, where it’s well established that the threat of prison does nothing to reduce crime, and there would be no puntitve difference between a single rape and a spree?

      Got any more of those great takes you’d like to share?

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• Crackhappy@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I hate to say this, but do you know what he’s done to rehabilitate himself? Do you know why he’s allowed to work there? Have you talked to management about what you discovered?

  All of your questions are very very leading. Of course we deplore rape. However, despite what you may think, we should all be given a chance to redeem ourselves.

  I can understand why you fear for the safety of yourself and others around you. If you do nothing, that is entirely on you. But I do hope that you have compassion and a sense of forgiveness in your heart too. For all you know, you can also be surrounded by thieves and murderers, but none of those are publicly branded.

  I urge you to bring this to the management’s attention. Talk to your female coworkers and let them know.

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  • HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The concept of Redemeption is sadly one that barely exists nowadays. While the crime of rape is unforgivable, a wise woman once said “If Hell is forever, then Heaven’s a lie.”

    If we don’t let people have a chance to better themselves and prove that they aren’t the monsters they used to be, then we condemn them to return to their most toxic behaviors.

    That said, if someone has a history of vile behavior, then it’s best to warn those you feel can minimize his harm or are vulnerable. He needs to be given a chance for redemption and self-betterment, but he can’t be given free reign either.

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    • ParsnipWitch@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      In the absolute majority of rape cases there is no bettering themselves happening because the rapists never face any consequences to begin with.

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  • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    All of your questions are very very leading. Of course we deplore rape. However, despite what you may think, we should all be given a chance to redeem ourselves.

    There are a few crimes that are not forgivable, where you lose all right to any benefit of the doubt and should be labeled as dangerous, suspicious, and existential threat for the rest of your life.

    Premeditated Rape is one of those crimes.

    Premeditated rape is not a accident. its not a crime of passion. it is a deliberate, multi-step action that result in harming and violating another human being in one of the worst ways possible. There were so many points in which any shred of basic human decency that existed in his body could have asserted itself and changed his course, but it didnt. He followed through multiple steps in the process to follow and ultimately violate and his victim in one of the worst ways a person can harm another human being. Because he is a predator, and a threat.

    Regardless of his time in jail, he is a threat. he will always be a threat. There is no one around him that is not at risk.

    and worse still, because hes already been caught once, he will have learned… and the chances of the next victim escaping alive are slimmer for it.

    There is no redemption arc that can unrape his victim, and erase the threat he poses.

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• Gigan@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  How is it at even legal to employ him anywhere where he will have contact with women?

  If it was illegal for someone to get a job where they could come in contact with 50% of the population you’re just setting them for failure. What about murderers? Should they be prevented from having a job where they interact with anyone because there’s a chance they’ll kill them?

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  • lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There’s different reasons for murder that could explain how they’re not a threat. For example someone killing the person that molested their child is unlikely to kill a random coworker. That justification doesn’t really exist for rapists.

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    • Daft_ish@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You know where you messed up? I don’t have tell you, right?

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  • LifeOfChance@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I understand that first sentence it’s makes sense, but that second sentence, now come on a murderer should in fact be made known and jobless for some pretty damn obvious reasons.

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    • Archpawn@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I feel like having no way to legally get food or shelter would make it more likely they’d commit crime again, not less.

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    • Gigan@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I of course mean after the murderer has served their sentence.

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    • Damdy@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What about ex military?

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  • BigMikeInAustin@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Are people just born as a rapist or murderer?

    Some choices do have a big consequence.

    Rapists are likely to have other criminal history.

    www.rainn.org/…/perpetrators-sexual-violence

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• Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  How are you expecting him to feed himself off he can’t work anywhere? There’s no such thing as a men’s only work place.

  I agree that take should be charged with the same severity as taking a life. But we also need to let ex felons leave that in the past if they can. There’s a lot of abuse and oppression that results from permanent shunning. We made the choices in our justice system that we made because of history. Let’s not repeat the mistakes of history.

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  • Crackhappy@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I respectfully disagree. Murder is not at the same level as rape. Rape is awful and despicable, but at least you’re alive to recover from it.

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    • Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s the thing, many people never recover from rape.

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    • mwproductions@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      See that’s where I disagree. They’re both awful, traumatic events. At least with murder you’re dead and don’t have to spend the rest of your life haunted by the experience.

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    • ParsnipWitch@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There is no reason why rape is judged much less severely than torture though.

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    • pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

      You are advocating a known sexual predator be allowed in the workplace, knowing other employees are threatened by his presence.

      The company isn’t responsible for ensuring the rapist – who is not supposed to be in society in the first place – is able to put food on the table. It is the company’s responsibility to protect its workers in th workplace, and that means not letting a known rapist work around women.

      Honestly, those women could probably go complain to the EEOC. They certainly could win a civil suit.

      What you’re asking for is horrific and a blatant violation of the rights of other people. We don’t live under the barbaric practices of the 20th century where anything like this can just be done to you and you have to put up with. We live in the 21st century where we recognize the rights of victims and communities are more important.

      Don’t like it? Do what you’re telling rape victims to do: get over it and move on.

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  • Chakravanti@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Fuck you.

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    • Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Okay. Let’s just keep all the prisoners locked up forever. Well wait, that’s kind of expensive. Let’s force them to work. You know they’re going to have kids, and both parents are no good evil people so the kids must be too. Let’s never let the kids out either.

      Congratulations, you’ve re-invented chattel slavery. With the exact same argument of banishing felons from society that was used in the 1600’s and eventually evolved into chattel slavery.

      Can we do the civil war now too or do we have to wait?

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    • lunachocken@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Any reason or just being a blatant idiot?

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• ExLisper@linux.community ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Reminds of a joke: A guy walks down the street and mumbles to himself angrily: You cook every fucking day but no one ever calls you a cook. You fix your car all the time but people never call you a mechanic. You have a small garden and grow your own food but when people see you they don’t say “Hey, farmer!”. But you rape someone once single time…

  But seriously, for the same reason you don’t ban drunk drivers from driving for life or shoplifter from shopping. People have to function in society somehow, even if they did terrible things in the past.

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  • lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    People have to function in society somehow, even if they did terrible things in the past.

    No they don’t, that’s what prisons are for.

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    • meekah@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That kinda mentality is why america has the most people in prison per capita

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    • Sandbag@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You do know one of the points of prison, besides retribution is rehabilitation, just prisoning someone does not constitute a healthy society.

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    • Woht24@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I see you have no idea what you’re talking about

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    • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Prisons are supposed to be for rehabilitation. What you are talking about is penal colonies. If we had a working justice system, those who can’t be rehabilitated could get the death penalty. But right now it is cheaper to keep them in prison for life than fix the system. Since this guy is out, he served his sentence and is deemed rehabilitated.

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• AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The short and unsatisfactory answer to your question is that this isn’t a hostile work environment. A hostile work environment is narrowly defined. You telling everyone about his rape of your friend is closer to the definition than him being a rapist.

  An unsafe work environment applies only to physical hazard, so the same goes there. You’d have to demonstrate and prove that he is causing you current harm. Basically, unless he sexually harasses you or attempts to rape you, and you can prove it, there is no leg for you to stand on.

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• Aurolei@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I love the maturity in the responses to the question here. I was honestly expecting more people to agree with the OP, but it’s been a delight to read such colourful articulations on the reasons why they are wrong. I don’t even need to weigh in here as it’s been said perfectly by so many people here.

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  • Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Agreeing with OP is the same as saying you don’t believe people can change or get better.

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  • Crackhappy@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is why I am so glad I abandoned Reddit.

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• fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The direct answer to your question is… because the actual risk of aggravated sexual assault against a co-worker are infinitesimal. There’s practically no risk. If he’s going to rape someone it will be someone less likely to id him.

  Honestly, it sounds like you just don’t want him around and are looking to justify that. Your feelings are perfectly valid, I’m sure I wouldn’t want to be around him, it’s just good to acknowledge your feelings.

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  • BigMikeInAustin@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    8 out of 10 victims know their rapist.

    www.rainn.org/…/perpetrators-sexual-violence#:~:t…

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  • werefreeatlast@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Just like exmuderers do. But I do see your point.

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• badlotus@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think it might be easier for OP to reason through this question by themselves if the person in question hadn’t “raped [their] best friend”. I support restorative justice… unfortunately in the USA we often get neither restorative justice nor justice, just punishment.

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  • ParsnipWitch@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What do you think can restorative justice look like for crimes like torture (that is what rape is)?

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• fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What someone did in the past doesn’t mean they’re going to do it again. You may be paranoid about it, but imagine how they feel if they’re a legitimately changed person? That said I’d still be cautious.

  I agree with @captainlezbian Was he convicted, or found innocent? Unless he’s doing weird shit that doesn’t justify continued discrimination.

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  • Fosheze@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    He was found guilty both times he raped someone. Considering he served less than 2 years in prison for his last offence I highly doubt that changed him.

    Also considering that he’s a rapist I don’t give a damn how he feels. Rape isn’t like other crimes. You don’t rape someone because you don’t know any better. You don’t rape someone out of necessity. You don’t rape someone on accident. You rape someone because you’re a rabid animal who has no place in society. You don’t fix someone like that. You can only mitigate the risk to others.

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  • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Important note: in the US people are not found “innocent,” they are found “not guilty.” It may seem pedantic but it’s important to remember that a lack of a conviction is not evidence that they didn’t commit a crime, only that a jury believed there was enough doubt in the evidence to decline to find them guilty.

    This is especially important to remember in rape cases, where evidence is difficult for outsiders to determine and a trial result of “not guilty” doesn’t necessarily mean a rape didn’t happen or that the defendant didn’t commit it.

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• minibyte@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I thought for sure this was about Trump.

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  • Kbobabob@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Isn’t everything?

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• Landsharkgun@midwest.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Posting this seperately: OP, you have a right to feel unsafe. Talk with your other coworkers, then go to managment with a safety plan. You probably can’t get this guy fired, but it’s completely reasonable to ask for some sort of safeguards, given he’s a multiple offender. If you need inspiration, look at the sort of practices medical facilities have: multiple people required to be in the room, clear boundaries being set, agreed-upon followup if rules are broken, etc.

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  • dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They didn’t say that he was a multiple offender, just to clarify.

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• BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Generally when you commit a crime, you get convicted, complete your sentence, and then you get all of your rights back unless you’re deemed a risk to the public in which case you may have additional restrictions on your freedom.

  Not everyone re-offends. In fact, for many types of crimes, the recidivism rate is fairly low. Your assumption that this person is going to put women at risk is short sighted, especially given the fact that a person is FAR more likely to be sexually assaulted by their own romantic partner than a random person.

  The problem with banning someone from any sort of employment where they have contact with the other gender, is that that essentially prevents them from working in any capacity. There are no industries with only a single gender across the entire organization. If they hired only men, it would be considered discriminatory and they could be sued.

  It also doesn’t in any way reflect the fact that this person will encounter women everywhere, from the grocery store to the gas station. Work is hardly the only place where people encounter others.

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  • brygphilomena@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This isn’t entirely true. In many cases rights are permanently lost. Quite a few states specifically disenfranchise individuals who have a past conviction of a felony. Those that are most intimately knowledgeable of how terrible the conditions are for prisoners and those that would have the most motivation to see reform are prevented from participating in our democracy and having their voices heard.

    In my opinion, this is pretty terrible and is just one of many. Many reasons or criminal justice system needs reform.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, decades of being “tough on crime” has done nothing but to make more criminals.

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  • mvilain@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I AM NOT A LAWYER nor have I slept in a Motel 6 recently, but I believe in California, someone convicted of a sex-related crime becomes a "registered sex offender" for life. They can't live near schools and there are other restrictions. During employee-onboarding, HR must have discovered that this guy has a criminal record. If not, you should discuss this with your manager and HR. If they're a registered sex offender, then the company should follow the guidelines for employing such people.

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• kirklennon@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I know that you can’t fire someone just for being a sex offender unless it directly interferes with work duties (in the US)

  You can definitely fire someone for being a sex offender in the US. Outside of a few exceptions that probably don't apply in your case, you can also fire someone for being an accused sex offender.

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  • metaStatic@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    people don't think it be like it is but it do.

    anti-discrimination laws just mean employers can't give the real reason so they've gotten really good at making up legally acceptable reasons.

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  • BottleOfAlkahest@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Many US based companies also do pre-employment background checks. So either OP works for a company that doesn’t or they work for a “second chance” company that is OK with violent backgrounds. Either way the company is fine with his background and is very unlikely to fire him for something they likely knew about at hire.

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  • Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    In the US you can be fired for any reason except for protected reasons (gender, sexuality, race, religion). Being a convicted sex offender is not a protected class.

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• solitaire@infosec.pub ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If you aren’t going to find a new job, document any inappropriate behavior. Talk to the other women and get them onboard. Let them know who he is. It wont take much to have him out on his ass if he does anything. Bring up his conviction when you report misconduct as well.

  There are plenty of jobs he can work that aren’t with the best friend of his victim.

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• Landsharkgun@midwest.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  ITT: people reallly pulling for a rapist.

  I’m honestly with OP on this one. Rape is up there with torture and child abuse. You’ve gotta be a real scumbag to do it. It’s not something you get pressed into by circumstance, like e.g. stabbing someone in a bar fight. At some point, the right of everyone else to be free of threat outweighs one guy’s right to reintegrate with society.

  OP, you live in the US, and you have 2nd Amendment rights. Start carrying to work.

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• HelixDab2@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Unless he’s doing things that currently put other people at risk, maybe mind your own business? Part of rehabilitation is convicts re-integrating into society, including having a job, paying for their own way in life, etc. If you really want to make sure that people keep bouncing in and out of prison, sure, keep doing your best to get people fired for things they’ve already served their time on.

  You insist that no rapist can ever e rehabilitated; on what metric do you base that belief? Or, in other words, what kind of objective evidence do you have that this is true?

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• Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It could either be:

  1. The rapist did not disclose the conviction
  2. The HR group didn’t perform their due diligence with background checks

  OR

  1. The rapist was not convicted

  OR

  1. Charges were never filed

  OR

  1. Charges were filed but dropped later on

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• Steve@communick.news ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  When I read the title question, my immediate answer was “If the rapist is a gay man, or a straight woman.”

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• Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  He needs to work somewhere and as long as he doesnt continue to harass or worse anyone I dont see the issue

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• ParsnipWitch@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The average user of Lemmy has more empathy with a two times convicted rapist than with Amber Heard or that one woman from this atrocious Tiger King series.

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• Nougat@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  How does employing someone who’s been convicted of battery not create an unsafe work environment for everyone?

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• transientpunk@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I just found out that if you are caught having sex in prison (in the USA), you are guilty of a sex crime regardless of if both adults consented or not.

  This is only tangentially related to OPs post, but I just thought it was interesting.

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• DessertStorms@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Hey OP, if all else fails, there seem to be a lot of people in these comments willing to give a rapist a job, so he could always go and babysit their kids, or drive their sister home late at night in a taxi, or be the orderly watching their sedated aunt who is recovering in hospital, I'm sure none of them would mind any of that..

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• hperrin@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Holy shit, how is he not in prison?

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• mechoman444@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Look. I get it. But, understand the only reason you feel that way is because you haven’t committed a crime severe enough for you to do any significant time.

  Recidivism for rape is 13% to 35% Link to source

  I would seriously recommend checking your privilege on this one.

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• Mago@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Would it be illegal to put up fliers all over the workplace with his mugshot and informatiob about his crime?

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• Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  He had his redemption arc and now is a better human being than 95% of his co-workers. Duh.

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