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Americans are asleep, post European windows

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Submitted ⁨⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨balderdash9@lemmy.zip⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

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  • Mr_Blott@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I asked a builder why this was, and he said that the lateral forces created by a slightly tilted window has just enough force to rip the entire side of a house clean off due to houses having the structural integrity of wet newspaper, which is the preferred construction method in the States

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    • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      US people, dry your newspapers before building your houses!

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    • LeroyJenkins@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      can’t tell if this is a troll or not. youre telling me people outside the states think we live in wet newspaper?

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      • Mr_Blott@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Well not wet newspaper exactly but I heard you have walls so thin the neighbours can hear your cell division

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      • M137@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Hitting a wall and having any chance of the wall breaking isn’t really a thing outside the US. Everyone elsewhere notices that a lot in movies and videos that are in the US. People being mad and punching a wall and putting a fist-sized hole in it, falling and breaking the wall or throwing anything and the thing getting stuck in the wall. In most of the world it’s you or the thing hitting the wall that’ll break, not the wall itself.

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      • kilgore_trout@feddit.it ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s an intentional exaggeration, but it’s true that houses in the US are usually built without a proper foundation and with thin walls.

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      • pascal@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You know that tool called stud finder that you use in America if you ever think about hanging a picture on the wall, or a TV, otherwise you risk your wall falling down with anything attached to it?

        Never seen a stud finder in Europe.

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    • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s preferred because it’s cheap.

      Nobody wants to pay a stone mason to put brick on the exterior of their homes. They used timber for a long time, but now all the new houses I’ve seen use the metal studs, which sounds great on paper until you realize it’s basically sheet metal stamped into a U kind of shape that’s the same size as a 2x4. It’s enough to hold up the drywall and maybe some pictures/paintings on the wall plus the occasional wall-mounted TV, but give it a couple hundred pounds of weight and it’s going to crumple into itself like aluminum foil.

      Honestly, most of the strength in the wall is now because of the drywall. The “studs” just keep them from falling over.

      Not saying timber was all that much better, but it could at least support someone standing on the top plate of a wall without folding in on itself.

      Can I get my house built from concrete board instead?

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      • peopleproblems@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I wish I could have a stone masonry building. My friend’s family used to own a hotel built by a stone mason. He invited us out to watch the company who bought it try to demolish it. Apparently they weren’t expecting proper brick and mortar to be so strong.

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    • TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Lol! Imagine thinking this is true.

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      • Mr_Blott@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Lol imagine reading this as a true statement. Fiction books must fuck you right up 😂

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  • fl42v@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Should’ve installed linux 🤷

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    • SonnyVabitch@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Should’ve installed velux

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      • mryessir@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Velux just gone through the roof!

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    • LillyPip@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I am referring to Linux as ‘tilted Windows’ from now on and you can’t stop me.

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      • Octopus1348@lemy.lol ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No, Mac is tilted Windows, and Linux is open Windows.

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  • Aielman15@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I work in a hotel.

    One day, a family comes to the reception to tell me that their window is broken, asking me to change their room. I ask if I can take a look.

    It turns out, they didn’t know the existence of tilt & turn windows and were scared that the window was going to fall down lol

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  • nublets@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Jokes on you, my windows make a light breeze when shut!

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  • Lon3star@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’d settle for socialized healthcare

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    • anarchy79@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Oh the windows came as part of that deal.

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      • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No they didn’t. I’m in Canada and we have socialized healthcare and I didn’t get any damn tilting Windows.

        I’ve been lied to!

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      • AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Damn, that’s a tough decision

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    • Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      How dare you. Just for one second think of someone other than yourself. How do you think the pharmaceutical companies are gonna feel about that? Or their poor shareholders? Pfizer’s CEO only made $33 million last year. How the hell do you expect him to feed his kids when he’s not making that much because your precious healthcare system ate into his meager earnings. The medical corporations are barely scraping by!!

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      • dantheclamman@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        CEO Chief Job Creator™

        FTFY

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    • ohlaph@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s the breeze, isn’t it?

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  • Socsa@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Imagine not having screens in your windows.

    This post was made by the flying insects gang.

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    • Marcbmann@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m in the US and have these windows. They have screens. They’re also not that special. I prefer the regular windows

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      • limelight79@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I was starting to wonder if Europe didn’t have insects, because the hotels I’ve stayed in (in Europe) that had them didn’t have screens for them.

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      • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I have these windows in Moscow, Russia since recently (had old windows with separate wooden frames with thick glass made somewhere about 70s, they looked nice though) and like that I can the the sill as a table with laptop and tea and some stuff now, and tilt it instead of moving the laptop aside.

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  • RagingRobot@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t use windows. I prefer linux

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    • Chadus_Maximus@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Try not to talk about Linux on Lemmy challenge (impossible): failed.

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    • sebsch@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      In a world without borders and walls there is no need for windows and gates.

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    • Ethab83@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I wonder if you can tilt windows in Linux

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      • squidspinachfootball@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Do I have an article for you: Linux is the only OS to support diagonal PC monitor mode — dev champions the case for 22-degree-rotation computing

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      • bluewing@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Probably Compiz could do that…

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      • NegativeInf@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        23.9 degrees is optimal.

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  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Put a screen in that fancy window and then we’ll talk.

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    • ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah who the hell wants moths and mosquitoes in their house

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      • Retrograde@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It is truly bizarre how Europeans never use screens, make it make sense!!

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      • Aux@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        There are no mosquitoes in the UK. And moths are rare. Would be lucky to see a fly.

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    • Throwdownyourgrandma@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There are screens for tilt windows.

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      • samus12345@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yeah, but most places in Europe don’t have screens regardless.

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    • Marcbmann@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      American with these windows. I have screens. I also don’t like them very much.

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  • RealFknNito@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah pretty fucking unthinkable

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    • gmtom@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Opening from the bottom is inherently worse

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      • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        it’s inherently superior because you can have the window slam onto the fingers of a person trying to crawl in through the window

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      • TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        They open from the top as well.

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      • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The worse part is now they’re built cheaply so the screen is only the bottom half. You can still open the top, or from both top and bottom for convection, but now you get bugs

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      • FartsWithAnAccent@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Ok, our windows can open from the sides or tops as well :D

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    • EdibleFriend@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      One European downvoted you for speaking the truth

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      • anarchy79@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I downvoted because I’m French.

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    • noobnarski@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That window design looks like it would never seal properly. Here in Germany any window from the last 30 years or more will not let any air in when its fully closed.

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      • CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Why wouldn’t it seal?

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      • RealFknNito@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It seals. There’s a small recess underneath the window lined with weather stripping that when pressure is applied from closing the window and even locking it, it becomes air tight.

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      • Gumbyyy@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Double hung windows don’t seal quite as well as casement windows, but honestly, unless you’re going to the absolute best energy efficiency possible, like a net-zero house, then it’s really not a big difference. Any halfway decent quality, properly installed window won’t have any noticeable drafts. Plus, as others have mentioned, double hung windows are far cheaper than casement.

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      • AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        We actually have the opposite issue. Windows here seal so well that indoor air quality slowly drops if you don’t run the central fan all day.

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    • Loki@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Correct me if I’m wrong, but that style of window doesn’t allow you to open it fully, right?

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      • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        They open fully. The tilt feature is 10-15 degrees, but they swing open fully like a casement window in the US. At least the ones I used did.

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    • anarchy79@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah I mean of course not in a prison. Which cell block is that?

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  • GluWu@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    In America we have to keep our windows closed to keep out the fent smoke and bullets.

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    • pkill@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      your wallf woe’t sade you from the latter tho

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      • Prandom_returns@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Bullets are not ghosts, they can’t go through walls, stupid

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  • GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    While I agree that our windows are generally superior from a functional perspective, the Americans have us beat in the fact that you can’t install a window AC unit in our windows.

    Hence we get to just die in the increasingly common heat waves. Not great - we’ve got to figure this one out.

    Before portable ACs are mentioned - I’ll point out that they have terrible efficiency, and connecting the tube to blow out the hot air is still terrible with European windows.

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    • 9point6@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Mini split heat pumps.

      All you need is a 3cm hole in the wall to run a refrigerant line from the outside heat pump unit to the wall unit.

      Window AC units are pretty poor efficiency too, IIRC

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    • ExLisper@linux.community ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Window mounted units are still terrible for comfort. External AC unit is like 300 euro + 300 euro for installation. It’s not a big investment and you get totally silent unit. In Europe people will use portable units if it’s short term and install external one if it’s permanent.

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    • Andrzej@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Integrated AC ftw bebeh

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  • RobertOwnageJunior@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I get it’s all memes and fun, but I am so tired of this constant ‘Europe does this better’, ‘USA is supreme for that’.

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    • yeather@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Irrelevant, Canada is clearly better than all of you.

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    • CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Masses divided are easier to control

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    • brbposting@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They don’t have that problem in Australia.

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    • Mr_Blott@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The only people that tire of it are the ones who lose the most 🙃

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  • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I admit I’m an American and my windows don’t open that way, but I’m not sure why whoever made that meme thinks that means a light breeze can’t come through them. Because… a light breeze can come through them.

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    • JDubbleu@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah while the European windows are interesting I don’t really get why having a window open 50 different ways is useful. It seems like an over-engineered solution to just cracking the window. I also can’t imagine it’s more reliable than the good ole vertical/horizontal sliding windows which are in just a window in a track.

      Many houses in the northeast have the old school vertical sliding windows with an extra glass pane that can be dropped in front of the screen. This creates an air insulated barrier between the internal and external glass panes and even on the 100+ year old windows I’ve seen they insulate very well.

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  • Surp@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Imagine not having AC like much of Europe

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  • joel_feila@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I can just slide my window up a bit.

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  • p1mrx@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Sorry Europeans, I can’t hear you over my HVAC system with abundant domestic methane reserves.

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  • supercritical@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    People act like you can’t just order these kinds of windows in the US. It’s not the default, but you can just ask about them if you know about them.

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  • Vespair@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They aren’t standard in the US, but I promise you these windows exist here. My parents installed them in their home

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  • MrJameGumb@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s not like our windows don’t open, they just don’t tilt. I frequently open the windows and get a breeze going when it’s nice outside!

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  • lntl@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    this is how we do out here in the heartland

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  • XEAL@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Bruh many old homes in Europe don’t have these fancy windows.

    Source: WHERE ARE MY FUCKING TILTING WINDOWS!?

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  • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Lite breezes were great maybe 30 yrs ago. With modern heat waves and obesity you gonna sweat like a mofo 'les you figure out how to put an AC up in that tilt.

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  • vsis@feddit.cl ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Southamerican living in Spain here.

    First time I saw those windows my mind blew to pieces.

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  • Fal@yiffit.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Lol wtf? Why can’t you get a light breeze without tilting windows?

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  • unphazed@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m fine. Central HVAC, no need for a breeze

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  • derf82@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Or, know, we could just crack open the bottom (in the case of the popular double hung, the top) of the window a little bit. But it is-3c (yes, we Americans understand metric) where I am now, so I have no interest in doing that. No Gulf Stream keeping us relatively mild in winter over here.

    Listen, you want to brag about health care, public transit, intercity high speed rail, or historic buildings, fine, you got us there. But stop with the air if superiority about everything else.

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  • nexguy@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    America is huge. We have areas with weather just like Europe and areas with weather nothing like Europe. One country but many weathers.

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  • Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ah, but that classic wood-on-wood sliding window, where all that stands between a destructive crash is an irreplaceable rope installed inside walls when the house was built.

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  • isthingoneventhis@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Imagine not having screens on the windows and letting every single bug in the nearby area take up residence inside and being okay with it cuz “it’s only a few months out of the year”.

    🤢 it’s the fucking worst.

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  • Obonga@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Tilting you windows is a nice option that i rarely use. Most if the time its STOẞLÜFTEN as we germans like to say (opening the windows wide up to really let in all the fresh air).

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