Trans people in Kansas are being ordered to surrender their drivers licenses
Submitted 2 weeks ago by andros_rex@lemmy.world to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
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SirMaple__@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
0x0@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Tshirtable
core@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
Instead of “identify as a fucking problem” it should say “identify as your fucking problem”
themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The cruelty is the point.
transMexicanCRTcowfart@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh, but they “apologize for the inconvenience”.
stinerman@feddit.online 2 weeks ago
The DMV might actually be sorry about it. The governor (who oversees the DMV) vetoed the bill, but the legislature overrode the veto. If it was up to the governor, this law would have never been in place.
Tiresia@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
The point is also to disempower you and render you unable to resist extermination.
Within the next three years, we will either see a second American revolution or the mass execution of trans people who have done nothing wrong (though they will naturally be classified as sex offenders and felons).
themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We’re already engaged in the mass incarceration and extrajudicial murder of immigrants and dissenters. People seem reluctant to rebel.
Pavidus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is total horse shit, but not even a grace period? That’s extra evil.
GalacticSushi@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Don’t have a friend who can drive you to the DMV? Can’t afford to pay for a ride? Don’t live close to a bus stop? Please drive to the nearest DMV office where you will be arrested for operating a motor vehicle with a license that we invalidated just hours ago. Sorry for the inconvenience that we put a lot of effort into inflicting on you.
JoshuaFalken@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
First they came for the transgendered, and I didn’t speak up because they didn’t allot a public comment period.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The “your driver license is invalid immediately” is super fucking infuriating, especially in a country where without a driving license means being unemployable
Fucking scum, a driving license has nothing to do with sex. It is meant to prove that the cardholder is able to drive a vehicle or not.
Luckily I live in a continent where the cardholder sex isn’t mentioned at all in the driving license (eu directive of 2006)
0x0@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Luckily I live in a continent where the cardholder sex isn’t mentioned at all in the driving license (eu directive of 2006)
Don’t be so bold, the EU is turning right and has been for the last few years. Sweden’s deporting kids to Iran without their families, for instance. That pisses me off more than trans adult muricans losing their driving licenses.
sureshot0@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
Well, I can’t tell you how to feel, but doing genocide on trans people too.
dandylion@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
its infuriating because it is a “silent” attempt to kill
0x0@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Renat@szmer.info 2 weeks ago
Top 1% of the of 1%. With the highest passing.
MisterFrog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is a great propaganda* image. Yoink ⚒️
* word used in the neural sense
BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
* word used in the neural sense
There’s good propaganda and there’s bad propaganda.
Good propaganda is your effective propaganda, or your opposition’s ineffective propaganda. And vice versa.
This is good propaganda.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It boils my fucking blood that my tax dollars are paying for this
MisterFrog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The general strike in Minneapolis shows what the working class can achieve.
From the provinces (Australia), I suggest you join whatever local movements exist.
I’m wishing you great success, because I worry what will be in store for us if the US falls even further into racism.
Stay strong friend
LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And notice how they gave NO GRACE PERIOD for them whatsoever to cause as much pain and suffering. You can’t drive, you can’t buy alcohol, tobacco, etc. This goes to show what happens when hateful racists run the entire government and need a minority group to attack and blame everything on.
Remember to vote people, this is why voting is so important.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They gave no grace period and invalidated licenses during elections.
SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Quit blaming the victims, this is what the result of voting looks like.
Throbbing_banjo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Holy fuck what a shit take.
You get that elections aren’t unanimous, yes?
Sneptaur@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
So you’re positioning yourself against “voting” as a concept in this argument, if that isn’t clear by the 23 downvotes
minnow@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Your right to self identify doesn’t exist under fascist rule. Identify as you’re told, or face the consequences.
Today it’s gender. I wonder what facet of identity they’ll seek to control tomorrow. Sexual orientation? Religion? Political affiliation?
4am@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Race.
Oh, you can’t change that? Well, the penalty’s pretty stiff, unfortunately…
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
In for a penny in for a pound. Might as well push another fascist in the ground.
GalacticSushi@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Sorry, you’re practicing Islam which is a clear violation of our Christian citizens’ constitutionally protected freedom from other religions. Oh hey, tell your Jewish neighbors not to go too far.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“Sorry, that job is for men. What are you, some filthy tr*nny?”
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
What the fuck do the genitals I had at birth have to do with my ability to drive a car?
Patrikvo@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Republicans are obsessed with genitals. Maybe if we all send them a picture they can get it out of their system and finally grow up.
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Good idea, let’s all try it. Think we should send a pic of our assholes too?
BigMike@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you read the text in front of you, you’d realize they do not think your gender affects your ability to drive. They just think the license is invalid due to the wrong gender being listed.
echodot@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Why would it invalidate the licence? They were utterly fine with it up until now so what’s changed?
Riverside@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
What? You don’t use your genitalia to shift gears?
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I must have missed that lesson
Soup@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I have three pedals! How else am I supposed to use them all at once?
Heel-toe shifting is for chumps.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
something someshit uh trans sports
these fucks do not understand human rights and won’t stop with their bullshit until they’re voted out of office.
Unfortunately, Kansastan.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
You’re not going to vote your way out of fascism. Stories are already coming out of how they plan to “take control” of elections.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
we apologize the inconvenience this causes you
Whenever you see this line, anywhere, you know that they’re saying “fuck you and what are you going to do about it, eh?”
I mean, we’re 5 steps away from eugenics, and we’we sowwy for the inconvenience!
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The goal is literally to inspire acts of violence by trans people. You can only persecute a community so much before the more unstable elements in that community start lashing out violently against anyone they can blame. That’s the goal here. They’re actively trying to create trans mass shooters. You demonize and persecute a minority. When some return your violence, you use that to justify further persecution.
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m not trans, but I’m considering it. As someone posted above, respect my trans homies, or I’ll identify as a fucking problem.
I am patient and intelligent. And very. Very. Fucking. Angry.
I cannot be alone.
sureshot0@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
Except none of those shooters have been trans. I looked into it, and I found a youtube channel which does deep-dives on mass killers. For example the Texas shooter, was a girl child on the cusp of functionality, they describe homosexual feelings in their journal, and express fantasies about crossdressing or an alternative identity, maybe some gender questioning, I wouldn’t say they had the language to definitively say either way. Honestly sounded like a confused horny young person with nebulous gay feelings. Either way, that’s not why they did mass murder. They were a mentally ill young person who started using Discord, and then got groomed by the police or the CIA into murdering a bunch of people in cold blood. As far as I know they weren’t involved in the trans community.
deathbird@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
I think it’s likely sincere. Lots of space between apologies for “the inconvenience” and the more traditional “any inconvenience.”
The bureaucrat who had to write up this letter letting people know their IDs were going to be insta-invalidated was not a party to passing the law, and probably doesn’t like telling people things like this.
mcv@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
“We apologize for the inconvenience this causes you.”
How nice.
“We apologize for the fact that you live under a state legislature that doesn’t respect your humanity.”
Soup@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
With a zero day grace period to get things changed, they don’t apologize for anything, not even in a veiled way.
Ribbons@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
ACLU in Kansas is representing two plaintiffs suing the state over this.
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
And will it be resolved by elections? I think I know the answer
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Im pretty sure every domino in that image is in the process of falling down, not just trans…
Casterial@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sounds like voter suppression to me as they push the SAVE act.
Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
Nah. This isn’t that. It’s bullshit, it’s unnecessarily cruel, but “get a new ID with the M or F switched to the one you don’t identify with” isn’t all that relevant to SAVE when either way that ID alone wouldn’t qualify as documentary proof of United States citizenship per SAVE. If you’re already taking time out to go to the DMV though, you may as well get what you were already going to need to meet SAVE while you’re out and dealing with government bureaucrats. See this as an excuse to get the other sorted too.
Seriously though, everyone needs to read SAVE and ensure you have what you need. Do it now, don’t wait until the election. Don’t even wait until SAVE passes. Be prepared for what they want to pull before they succeed at pulling it, because after they’re only going to make it harder.
Casterial@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well, my hope of SAVE is that it’s held up in courts. Elections are a state right managed by the state.
QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Isn’t SAVE DOA in the senate?
AlexLost@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Alright, that’s 112 votes down, now for the rest!
poccalyps@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Fuck Kansas
Shotgun_Alice@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is so fucked up on so many levels. Next step will be trying to erase trans people from being able to go outside or have a job. I’m surprised Kansas lawmakers just didn’t go ahead and make all trans people sew a pink triangle to everything they wear.
NotJohnSmith@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
I’m not trans and keen to understand how this impacts a trans person.
My. Immediate thought was it’s intentionally leaving out the part that says you’ll be issued with a replacement so won’t stop you from driving so no biggie right?
However, that’s diminishing the cruelty of it - it’s about the emotional trauma from a government forcing you to officially identify as something you’ve fought your whole life not to be.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
why do we even need sex or gender marked on driver’s licences?
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I wonder how many billions the USA has been wasted on crap legislation just like this.
I would think it would be worse for the license holder AND whatever law agency to be listed as “M” when they look “F”, and tie up a lot of resources over nothing but another power trip.
So now you must hire a “medical professional” to exam and of course they will be paid by the state.
Then they’ll need to make a new law enforcement division with a clever acronym, like T.E.D.
Then scanners at bathrooms with attending physician on call
Minimum wage is seven dollars an hour. Union membership is now mostly government employees and down to 10%.
STOCK MARKET 50K THOUGH
Wataba@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Why would America allow an openly transphobic government into power like this?
Oh right…
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
So… Cycling is the best trans inclusive transportation method?
0x0@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
First they came for…
Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Scum state with an even worse government.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Is there any kind of charitable support fund to assist trans folk that want to get out of shit holes like Kansas? I guess it might be subject to abuse by the large number of cis folks that want to get out of Kansas too, but still.
Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Actually evil.
This exists for no reason other than to intentionally harm a small and already marginalized group.
It’s a shame that fighting groups like the heritage foundation needed to take a couple decade backseat for insane cultural warring based entirely on misrepresenting each other and refusing to communicate.
And trying to point out that fact got you labeled as “enemy group” by everyone involved, and most people aren’t involved enough to tell the difference between things like faux opposition within the establishment, and legitimate progressive groups with separate but legitimate grievances.
Get the peasants fighting the peasants, because if you pump enough noise into the environment, people just stop trying to comprehend outside of their bubble.
These monsters will destroy the world in order to apply their fickle bigotry.
Fuck the heritage foundation, bohemian grove, atlas network, and their myriad of other shapes used to obfuscate while affecting control. The rich have class solidarity, and they’ve done an amazing job getting everyone else to fight themselves.
Trans rights are human rights.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Better keep picking on less than 1% of the population instead of trying to solve the problems effecting everyone.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Why stop at sex at birth. Add height at birth, weight at birth, baby photo etc.
Mwa@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
This makes me feel bad for Trans people even more.
Throbbing_banjo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
“We apologize for the inconvenience this causes you.”
Yes I’m sure you fucking do.
andros_rex@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If they try this shit in my state, I’d fucking sue.
I had surgery BECAUSE it would let me change my drivers license. I paid $5500 as a broke college student because I was getting turned down for jobs with that stupid “F.”
I don’t understand how any of this is legal. The constitution prohibits “ex post facto” laws - how can you revoke someone’s documentation when they complied with the laws as they were at the time?
CocaineShrimp@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
That’s the thing - It’s not. They don’t give a shit, and the judicial system isn’t doing anything about it
daychilde@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The problem is that you respect and believe in words. The people currently in charge could give two fucks. Ultimately, words only have the power that we give them, so when those in charge ignore the Constitution, then the Contitution has no power.
I have severe ADHD. It’s funny in a way because when I was younger, I tried to understand the rules of my employers and follow them. And yet I still lost jobs. In part because of issues related to ADHD specifically, but in part because what companies SAY the rules are is not what the rules are. If you’ve worked in a corporate environment, you know that there’s go-to people for things. And while there’s official processes (or maybe even not), what ACTUALLY happens is that someone goes to the person who can do something and asks them to do it, and generally they do, and that’s like 75% of how business actually runs.
In the same way, there are rules and decorum and traditions in politics and revolve around the Constution and various bodies of legislature, et cetera. And so there’s nothing that ACTUALLY forces anyone to follow any of that except voluntary compliance or physical threat because policing bodies enforce things.
This is why the rich are free, largely, from most crimes. They aren’t enforced. And this is how our democracy crumbled. The Constitution hasn’t been repealed. It doesn’t have to be. It is simply ignored. Worse, those who claim to follow it shit on it and ignore it and throw it out.
Witchfire@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m currently outside the US but I need to renew my passport, which has had the correct gender marker and name for 10 years. Naturally they’re being butts about it, I’m pulling my hair doing this. The Nazi bastards don’t care
balsoft@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I agree with you generally that this should be illegal, but it probably isn’t.
It definitely isn’t ex post facto; this is not a law that punishes anyone from a legal perspective, it merely changes the requirements for a certain privilege (the ability to drive a vehicle). If it declared these licenses invalid before the date of the law (which could carry punishments for illegally operating vehicles), then it would be ex post facto.
Another way to put it is that it simply makes a certain action illegal which was previously legal, and laws do that sort of thing all the time. Consider that in the US you didn’t need a driver’s license in order to drive at all until 1913. That NJ law also “revoked” someone’s privilege even though they complied with the laws previously, requiring them to get a permit that they didn’t need before. But, since it didn’t introduce any punishments for not having the permit before it was introduced, it wasn’t ex post facto.
Of course the law is also clearly discriminatory, but US’s extremely limited anti-discrimination laws are likely not broad enough to be applied here.
The current events should awaken many people to the sad fact that US laws and its entire legal system exists primarily to protect the wealthy and the powerful from everyone else; all other functions are secondary. As such, many horrible, immoral, and unjust things will be legal under US laws, and many others will be twisted into being legal by the supreme court.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Part of it comes down to how driving is legally a privilege, but it’s also been made a legal requirement in many instances (such as living on a highway that disallows pedestrians) and a functional requirement in many others (have to walk past 5 miles of parking lots and take a long meandering path to get around the interstate along noisy, busy stroads just to get to any grocery store by foot for the most common example)
Sometimes in some places there’s half-assed policies in place to try to paper over the problem, such as free paratransit for disabled and elderly individuals that requires scheduling the ride days or weeks in advance, special driving permits for those who had their licenses revoked to be able to get to work, school and go shopping but restricts allowed driving hours and places to make it even more of a punishment, bus services that run only hourly on weekdays, stopping only at poorly marked stops located in built places no human would want to stand at for even a few minutes, etc
Sconrad122@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This letter reads to me like it is someone from the Kansas executive branch (run by Democrat Governor Laura Kelly) legitimately apologizing that they are bound by Republican made, veto-overridden law to cause this inconvenience, but maybe I’m being too generous
Throbbing_banjo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
That could be the case, I suppose. If they really wanted to be assholes about it, they could just not send anything at all. This at least explains how the recipient is effected and what they can/need to do
Vorticity@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s how I read this, too. The government isn’t a monolith that just agrees with every law they have to follow. They do have to follow the law until it is challenged, though. Hopefully courts in KS knock this down.
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Not only that, but bare in mind that most government employees are there to do a job. They don’t always agree with the laws they have to enforce and sometimes they will make it as challenging as possible for fascist ideas like this go through.
Complaining to them is like complaining to the checkout cashier at your grocery store that the prices are too high.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nah, this is bipartisan cruelty. The Democratic governor maintained a list of trans people who changed their markers. How do you think they were able to send out these letters so fast? They already had a list of anyone that had changed their gender marker. That list was created on the order of a Democratic governor.
frunch@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They might as well have said “THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER”
GraniteM@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
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