Young gamers in Japan may not be forming the same attachment to Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest because modern dev cycles are as long as their childhood, users theorize - AUTOMATON WEST

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It’s honestly kinda crazy how long some games spend in development. The Final Fantasy 7 Remake trilogy is a perfect example of something that should’ve been quick but ended up being so bloated and took forever to make.

FF7Remake was announced in 2015, got stuck in development hell for a bit, released 2020. The sequel released 2024. The third one still hasn’t been teased yet. How many people are attached to a franchise if it takes 10 years to get the full story? I loved the first remake but dropped the second one, I just didn’t care about the story as much as I did ~5 years ago.

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Rhotisserie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
I mean, when games take a long time to come out and then still have serious flaws (looking at you starfield) can you blame anyone for not feeling too attached to a franchise? God I remember when veilguard was first announced after Inquisition… Announced, cancelled to be reworked into live service, cancelled again only to completely change everything that really made it a DA game.

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ilinamorato@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I think I buy this worldwide, honestly. Case in point: one of the most popular video game series for young people recently has been Five Nights at Freddy’s, and that series dropped its first four games in eleven months, and its next four games in four years. Minecraft remains one of the most popular games in the world, and it’s releasing full free content drops every few months. Pokemon is still insanely popular among kids, and there hasn’t been a year without a new Pokemon game release since 2015.

So, yeah. Hey, kids like novelty. Who knew?

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ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The entire GTA series exists between 1997 and 2013.

They have the next one apparently coming out this year but who cares at this point?

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Tattorack@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I prefer quality over quantity. Problem is we don’t have quality, even for games that take a long time.

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SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Also, and I’m just throwing this out there, maybe the circlejerk of nostalgia bait for Gen X/Millennials means fuck-all to younger people in general because it’s the nostalgia of their parents, not their own thing?

Like, aren’t we seeing this in so many different properties? As time marches on, interest wanes? Nobody cares about Marvel movies anymore. Nobody cares about Star Wars anymore. The most hardcore fanatics tend to be older and had the originals, which were literally original content, as things they grew up with. Part of the mystery and excitement of them was how much was left unexplained. Seriously, the Clone Wars was this mysterious fucking thing when it was just an offhand comment by Luke Skywalker in Star Wars: A New Hope. Now we have entire TV series dedicated to the background of the Clone Wars. Mystery gone. The first season of The Mandalorian brought back a sense of mystery to the series and then promptly dropped it to mix it in with every other piece of Star Wars memorabilia.

Young people want their own stuff that they’re growing up with, they don’t want rehashes of the shit their parents obsessed over.

Look at the continued interest in Adventure Time spinoffs, for example. Adventure Time first came out when I was just shy of 29. It would be fodder for the children of people just slightly older than me. It was also enjoyable for older folks who enjoyed silly fantasy, which gave it wider appeal. It persists more because it was an actual original thing that some people grew up with.

We live in an era where copyright that lasts 100 years after authorial death has broken corporations brains and they are scared to death of anything original in case it might not be a clear moneymaker. Letting interest in a new property grow over time is almost unheard of in the Netflix era of two seasons and then fuck you, it’s over. So even when new properties are explored, most aren’t given enough time to mature into something that becomes truly nostagliac for a younger generation.

If corporations want people to be as invested in long-lived series, they have to allow the option for new, interesting series to take the stage. Is it really a shocker that people are over games that started in the NES era? That young people want stories and ideas that reflect the world they live in, not the one their parents grew up in?

I’m in my forties, and I constantly talk about how the world our parents brought us up to live in was dead before we were born. It’s the same but at an accelerated pace for kids these days. The world we know and are trying to prepare them for no longer exists. Our stories and nostalgia become meaningless for our kids because it doesn’t speak to their experiences.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.

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- Lfrith@lemmy.ca ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Pokemon games come out often.
  
  I think that’s the big difference. In a single console generation like the PS3 you had Naughty Dog put out Uncharted 1, Uncharted 2, Uncharted 3, and Last of Us 1.
  
  For the PS4 they put out Last of Us 2, Uncharted 4, and Uncharted Lost Legacy.
  
  And for PS5 nothing.
  
  I think that’s the difference. Games aren’t released as by individual studios as often anymore. The ones that stay part of the public eye frequently release games like Call of Duty or have a live service model like GTA V that has people keep playing like it is Fortnite.
  
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- hraegsvelmir@ani.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  It could also have something to do with the fact that, for a 20 year old person, none of the games in the series that have come out during their lifetime have been the fan favorites. Even amongst die-hard Final Fantasy fans, you don’t get people losing their minds over FF XIII the way they do for VI, VII, IX, or X. For most of the recent games, the most effusive praise I’ll hear for them is that they aren’t that bad once you get used to the systems and figure out how the game works.
  
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- atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  You aren’t wrong but I also think people tend to forget just how much of what we grew up on were remakes and rehashes of stuff even from the radio era. Especially the cartoons that we watched as kids, so much of that was just recycled jokes and such with some jokes for the adults of the day thrown in too. Even Star Wars was an homage to the serials of the 30s-50s like Flash Gordon, which itself got an 80s remake (with an excellent soundtrack by Queen). The remakes aren’t new they are just more obvious.
  
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- Ephera@lemmy.ml ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Yeah, I was thinking that recently when I realized I’ve known
  
  the crazy plot twist in Star Wars
  (Luke’s daddy issues)
  
  for as long as I can remember.
  
  I’ve also known
  
  so many iconic characters and scenes
  (Yoda, R2D2, Chewbacca, the metalkini, C3PO, when they boop the Death Star etc.)
  
  before I was even old enough to watch the movies, too.
  
  I’m sure they’re cool movies, with lots of cultural relevance, but they’ve been spoiled in every possible way for me, specifically because the older generation loves them so much that they can’t shut up about them.
  
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- lechekaflan@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I’m almost 50 but have so little interest about Nintendo.
  
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- RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Far easier to rehash a known moneymaker than to take a risk come up with something original. Some people might point at the multiple tens of thousands of games on Steam as evidence there are people making new games that are original, but if you compare the relaitive few that take off vs the popular franchises’ success it’s pretty obvious that rehashing works. Plenty of new games languish and never really get anywhere.
  
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- CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  On the nostalgia front I just want to say I’ve never been into metroidvanias and never played any kind of metroid game before, I tried metroid zero mission an hour ago and I’m already hooked. These games are just genuinely good. Not dunking on newer games I play those a lot too, just saying not everything new is better and I’d love to see some kind of happy middle ground.
  
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- tanisnikana@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  My parents once taught me how to use a payphone when I was a kid. I’m 40.
  
  Your post is exactly correct.
  
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- ChicoSuave@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  Young people want their own stuff that they’re growing up with, they don’t want rehashes of the shit their parents obsessed over.
  
  If only children had the perspective to know alternative choices exist and they should hold out for something better. This assumes young people can control the media they are fed. It’s more likely that the generation making content for them confuses nostalgia for childhood and the audience doesn’t like the iterative/derivative product.
  
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KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
That’s because Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest aren’t making kids games anymore.

They’re remaking old games for nostalgia value for old gamers like me who played those games as a kid.

NGL I’m still waiting on the dragon warrior monsters remakes because I’d always been a bigger fan of those than any Pokémon game. I doubt it’s coming any time soon, but a guy can hope.

That’s the whole issue though. None of these studios are putting out games for modern kids. There just rehashing their old IPs and pretending they’re new games. Kids dont want spruce up 1990’s games. They want games for them.

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HugeNerd@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Maybe don’t build your lives and identity around games?

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- Warl0k3@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  What? What does that have to do with it?
  
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  - HugeNerd@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Why would you have an “attachment” to patterns of light on a screen?
    
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melsaskca@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Kids will abandon most pre-existing shit to find something they can call their own.

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MrKoyun@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The graphics and “the biggest game ever” races have led to this.

No, you do not need physically accurate bubbles flowing in the shaded beer bottle that you will at best appreciate for 3 seconds while looking to get on with the game.

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- MBech@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I used to care quite a lot about graphics, but as the years have passed, I find graphically beautiful games less pleasing than a lot of the older games. It all seems too rounded and smooth now. I’ve been playing a lot of Project Diablo 2 lately, but when the new character dropped for Diablo 2 Resurrected, I figured I should give that a shot. While the graphics are definately nice, and the gameplay is smooth, I prefer the older graphics, because the griddy, slightly pixelated world adds so much to the dark and gloomy theme.
  
  I’ve also just absolutely had it with every single Unreal Engine game looking exactly the same. Did the devs just lose all individual artistry?
  
  Sometimes less is just more.
  
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- Jyek@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  But also, what’s wrong with having any of those things? I’d argue it’s better to have those things with less developer crunch. We don’t need children to for “attachments” to video game franchises. That just breeds loyalty to corporations. We need games that are developed with love and care by developers who treat their employees and customers humanely. Whatever that looks like, we want that.
  
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  - luciferofastora@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    But also, what’s wrong with having any of those things?
    
    Nothing. I’d take more good games instead of fewer hyperrealistic ones, if I had to choose, but those features themselves aren’t anything bad.
    
    The compulsion that every game has to have them, that’s what’s annoying, particularly when it comes at the price of putting developers under pressure.
    
    I’d argue it’s better to have those things with less developer crunch.
    
    If we are to have them at all, yes, less crunch is better.
    
    We don’t need children to form “attachments” to video game franchises. That just breeds loyalty to corporations.
    
    The loyalty to corporations is a bad thing, absolutely, but I can also see how forming attachments can be nice. I very much enjoy my attachments to various movie or game franchises.
    
    The shitty part is that these franchises are linked to corporations. I like Star Wars, but fuck Disney.
    
    We need games that are developed with love and care by developers who treat their employees and customers humanely. Whatever that looks like, we want that.
    
    Absolutely. Grand games should get the time and care they warrant. Commercial pressure is poisoning game development and has been for way too long already.
    
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Sharkticon@lemmy.zip ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I cant even tell you the last original FF that came out.

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- Katana314@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I mean…basically FFXIV’s Dawntrail expansion. But even then, a lot of their side dungeons and such have been referencing events/worlds from other Final Fantasy games via some multiverse theory.
  
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- Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  it came out so many times in the remakes lol.
  
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SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Remember the FFVII tech demo they showcased during the PS3 reveal. Good chance FF7 remake has been in development since then, but got shelved because FF15 development became a train wreck

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- ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Don’t forget that FF13’s development was a big hell, too, not to mention that the post launch reception was below what squeenix expected
  
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- VitoRobles@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I do remember it. And honestly, I was annoyed that it was only Part 1 of a trilogy.
  
  During that time, I was already pretty sick of movies that push to be a trilogy. So I wonder how many gamers are like me who are waiting for the entire FF7 remake to be released before they play it.
  
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pressanykeynow@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Isn’t it true for the developers as well? If the game development lasts 5 years, you have quite a different team and ideas by the end compared to when you started.

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Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Not sure why they’d think kids are the target audience for a remake of a 29 year old game.

Surely all the kids are playing the latest mobile slop pocket money sink?

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- ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Being Japan, I suspect all the kids are sinking money into Gacha Impact or Honkai Gacha Rail or whatever else
  
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- TheSeveralJourneysOfReemus@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Not only that, many gaming memories, including console ones, and even for ancient people like me, are tied to modern online experiences. Just one example, that you all share and know and i believe this, is minecraft. But how much of that is multiplayer servers over single player worlds? Some of my finest memories are chrono trigger, popolocrois monogatari, final fantasy, earthbound. And i still like them. But playing for the fun of it, i can probably tell that some simple multiplayer is still fine. But many young (and adult) people are probably playing gacha, and these are highly manipulative games. Dopamine and serotonine driven. I find my enjoyment of a game dropping down to zero when I have a mandatory gacha system in the way.
  
  I will probably attempt to finish earthbound, I never got past the giant animated pile of puke. Sometimes later i found out that I needed to bring some fly honey for that*, or that i need to wait three real life minutes for a waterfall to open the path.
  
  This last example is comical in lisa: the paniful, where you are requiem to wait 30 real life minutes in a test of patience. 30. Minutes. And it’s still the most normal thing in the game.
  
  I need to finish lisa the painful too, come to think of it.
  
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Horsey@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
In the age of no-new-IP, why does it take so long for new games to come out…

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- brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  AAA expectations are astronomical, AAs take some extra time to keep up, and indies that actually make it take the time to do their own thing, otherwise they’d be lost in the largely unseen sea of failed indies.
  
  Also, oldschool game dev was toxic. It had some serious crunch culture, just to start. But I think it also attracted all star devs into “sweet spot” dev team sized; not too big or too small to sap efficiency. Now, if you do software and want to make any money or provide for a family… well, you don’t do game dev.
  
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  - SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I remember reading a story from an old Sega or Capcom and he basically said that the boss would lock the door of their office when they had to meet a deadline.
    
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  - VitoRobles@lemmy.today ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I wonder if Japanese companies are paying attention to FromSoft. I absolutely love that FromSoft reuses assets and improves their base engine. You can see the evolution from DS1 to Elden Ring (and Sekiro), releasing a game every year or two.
    
    Growing up - Dragon Quest 1-4 were built on the same engine with minor improvements. FF 4-6 wasn’t a massive leap, but a gradual jump in graphics.
    
    Yakuza games seem to release yearly. They have built a workflow where people work on the same mini games and “slot” it in for whatever the newest release it is.
    
    As much as I shit on Ubisoft, they really dialed in on their engine and tools to crunch out cookie cutter checklist open world games.
    
    Thinking about it, all my examples could also have been plagued with toxic crunch culture.
    
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sdcSpade@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
A few years ago I was hit with the sack of bricks that is all Donkey Kong Country games being released one year apart. I have vivid memories of playing the second game for a very long time and then multiple times after while imagining what a third game would be like and you’re telling me that was only one year? There’s no way those games would mean so much to me if we had only had one per console generation.

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k0e3@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Also DQ remake characters creep me out.

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CocaineShrimp@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Ill preface by saying I didnt read the article. But I also think that the state of gaming today is much worse than it was in the early 2000s for millennials.

When I was growing up, games had to come out complete so they were generally much more polished. However, when the Xbox360 came out, console makers gave the ability to devs to release patched versions via updates. Initially it was a great idea - devs could fix bugs they might have missed while testing. But then this quickly spiralled into studios forcing devs to release 1/2 baked games in a horribly broken state.

I also think how much you generally have to pay for games has gone way up with respect to the cost of living. Video gaming is much more of a luxury now, than a simple past time. Plus there are so many F2P mobile games out there, that there is even less of an incentive to get into a console / PC gaming.

Diablo Immortal? F2P (i know theres probably micro transactions and bullshit)

Diablo 4? PS5 ($500 - assuming you dont have the console already) + Diablo 4 ($67) + PS Plus ($14/month) = $581 + tax
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- zikzak025@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  But then this quickly spiralled into studios forcing devs to release 1/2 baked games in a horribly broken state.
  
  And the other side of the coin, with the advent of DLC, being able to take a complete game and carve pieces off of it to sell separately for more profit.
  
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  - iltoroargento@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    For a long while, DLC has been just an excuse to foist unnecessary content on the consumer for sales. There are a few notable exceptions in this like Fallout 3 and New Vegas, earlier Borderlands, and, surprisingly, the recent Tainted Grail: Fall of Avalon.
    
    For the most part, though, I have not bought DLC without thoroughly vetting it. I’m not talking about cosmetics. I’m talking about actual story/content additions being overpriced fetch quests which are, more often than not, just vehicles for more useless cosmetics.
    
    As an example, Fallout 4 DLC (much like the basegame itself) was a mistake seated in brand loyalty/a hope of redeeming the title. The DLC featured cosmetic additions for their Sims style settlement minigame, a couple cutesy fetch quests for armor, and two unfinished story DLCs that played like the elevator pitch of what would have eventually been fleshed out of this we’re an earlier entry in the series.
    
    With most story DLC, at best, you get a lackluster and entirely forgettable addition to the basegame. At worst, you get horse armor disguised as a new campaign or an unforgivably half assed hodge podge of storylines that cheapen the rest of your experience with the game.
    
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- ampersandrew@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Every era of video games was affected by its business model. Games used to be far more obtuse to sell guides and hint hotlines, and they used to be hard to the point that they were less fun so that it took longer to finish them. In the early 2000s, when the industry was largely between alternate revenue streams, you tended to get a lot of padding so that they could put a larger number of levels as a bullet point on the back of the box, so the first few levels would be great, but somewhere in the middle, they’d be pretty phoned in.
  
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- Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Release a non finished game, and finish it only if it’s a success ™
  
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- Aielman15@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  I also think how much you generally have to pay for games has gone way up with respect to the cost of living.
  
  I don’t necessarily agree with you on this specific point (although I agree with the rest of your comment).
  
  Gaming is unfathomably cheap nowadays and the conversion $/hrs is incredible. While yes, day 1 prices are higher than they used to be, discounts are frequent (excluding Nintendo platforms) and games tend to last a LOT longer than they used to. Excluding old-school JRPGs, I don’t remember many games from the PS1 era lasting more than 10/15 hrs. Nowadays that’s the average length for any single player game.
  
  And that does not include the plethora of F2P and live service games that people can waste literally thousands of hours into, free giveaways (I have hundreds of titles on Epic Store that could probably satisfy all my gaming needs until the day I die), etc…
  
  The cost of gaming has gone up only if you are a Nintendo aficionado who adamantly refuses to jump to any other platform and buys all new releases day 1, or a PC master race whose eyes strain from playing games at anything less than 300 fps on the latest NVIDIA card. For any other demographic, gaming prices are fine and more approachable than ever.
  
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- ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  I gotta argue against the games costing more compared to cola. A new Nintendo game in 1988 was $40 to $50. At that time hamburger was 99 cents, a value meal from a fast food place was $4, a house was $80,000, a new car was $10k to $18k, and you were pretty much a Middle class family if you made $45k\year. Some original NES games even hit $60 a piece.
  
  So videogames are one of the few things that haven’t kept with inflation. In no small part due to more people purchasing games and less physical overhead, but that doesn’t take away from my stance. 40 years later and a game price has gone up by like $20.
  
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eletes@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I think back to early 2000’s, I was playing the Jak and daxter games all throughout elementary to highschool with a decent amount of replayability. Same with metal gear solid. And these were pretty fleshed out games worth the money back then.

Kingdom hearts was the first time I got fed up with development hell.

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- Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Ratchet & Clank had it’s first three games released in three years. Same graphics and no one cared.
  
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rafoix@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
SE’s obsession with making every mainline FF game a 100+ million dollar project with hours of cutscenes and a combat system ill suited to fight the skyscraper sized enemies is killing the series.

They’re obsessed with spectacle. Nobody really cares about spectacle anymore.

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- angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  I mean, being the cutting edge turn based JRPG that’s on par with the most impressive AAA titles if not an industry leader itself was historically Final Fantasy’s place in the market, in contrast to Dragon Quest’s traditionalism.
  
  Hell, I believe Expedition 33 is popular because it more or less filled the spot that Final Fantasy forfeited when it went action.
  
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- TalkingFlower@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  I still remember they put Deus Ex in the freezer, handed it over to Embracer, then they murdered it before the final chapter.
  
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karashta@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
When I was young, these were also basically the only two JRPGs that existed that I could get.

Now, there are countless thousands, and these are just two names amongst many. And FF really feels like they are just phoning it in recently for me personally.

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myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Same for elder scrolls or gta. Kids today get 1, maybe 2 games of their favorite series before they have to do adult things. The only teams releasing on a quick schedule are the shit mobile games.

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- thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  i mean with those games it feels like you get one every game third generation at this point.
  
  elder scrolls 6 is going to become halflife 3 at this point.
  
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  - pressanykeynow@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    HL3 problem is that they want it to be as groundbreaking as the previous titles. The problem with elder scrolls 6 is that even if it is released it’s probably going to be bad.
    
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- Sektor@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Kids play kid’s games like Roblox or Fortnite. Also i feel kids don’t play single player games all that much.
  
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  - Lfrith@lemmy.ca ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    It’s also interesting they spend their money on cosmetics over buying games. Meanwhile, I’ve bought no cosmetics for f2p games I play like The Finals, and instead spend that money on buying single player and coop games.
    
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Gust@piefed.social ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I thought ff7re (the second part of the remake) sucked ass compared to ff7r (the first part.) The first one felt like a cool modernization of ff7 that still felt like the same game at its core, but the second one felt like complete focus-grouped buzzword filled nonsense. And the most annoying fucking element ive ever seen in a video game, birds that would constantly fly around your screen squawking and generally just being a nuisance until you went and completed their little meaningless side objective. Even the combat aspect felt like a bad monster hunter clone rather than a final fantasy game

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- umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  i also loved the first one, despite being cut way too short.
  
  i’m playing through the second one, and it feels like a ubisoft game with the tower bullshit and pointless collectible kinda stuff scattered around.
  
  i get that they needed to fill up the open world since the old one was empty as fuck but what a shitty way to endlessly stretch just a little bit of gameplay.
  
  if i wanted assassin’s creed i would be playing assassins creed instead.
  
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  - Gust@piefed.social ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Big agree on the ubisoft and assasins creed points. I’m also “playing through the second one” right now, though I’ve been on the Junon area for a month or two now, and I also haven’t opened up the game in a month or two. I just don’t think I’m ever finishing that game, which feels wild to me given the absurd amount of time I’ve spent playing and replaying the ps1 original. I’m just about as much of a simp for that story/those characters as a person can be
    
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UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

How many people are attached to a franchise if it takes 10 years to get the full story?

You can just play the original, though.

Same with any of these franchises. The newer titles are hit or miss, but the old games have aged like wine.

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- Rooster326@programming.dev ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  They may have aged like wine but most youths don’t like drinking wine. It is an “acquired taste”.
  
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  - UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    most youths don’t like drinking wine
    
    Then they can wait six years between sips of AAA piss, I suppose.
    
    My friends with kids don’t seem to have any problem picking up Sonic, Pokemon, or Guantlet. One’s even picked up Eldin Ring.
    
    They don’t have the nostalgia
    
    You don’t need nostalgia to enjoy nice things.
    
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fortnitefinn@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
There’s not really a reason for games to be taking so long to make other than too many cooks in the corporate kitchen.

Back when studios were run by the developers, great games came out on almost a yearly basis. If they had 2 years? You’re almost guaranteed a classic.

Now that the business school people make all the decisions and there’s so much money being wasted on unnecessary positions in these companies, customers are left out to dry.

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Quicky@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I reckon it’s also because there are simply so many games available now, and countless devices to play them on. My generation had one console or computer max, and a handful of games. Now young gamers have half a dozen devices at home, and thousands of free or easily accessible titles on whatever platform is currently in reach. They don’t need to commit to a couple of titles, when an advert for the next one is a tap away.

I mentioned this before on another post, but I had 5 games on my PS1 as a kid. There are currently over 400 owned games available on the living room Xbox, there’s a Switch in the house, the kids have iPhones, iPads and laptops, there’s a Quest 2 gathering dust etc etc.

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THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I had all 5 3D GTA games come out before I was 17. The first rated M game I bought myself on launch day was GTA V. I’m almost 30 now.

Of course, GTA isn’t necessarily a kid’s game, but we all know who’s playing it. Same deal there. There’s a whole generation of people out there who don’t even know we had 6 stars.

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yermaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I’m seriously seeing the difference between reddit and lemmy in this post. Last time I saw somebody mention how franchises were pretty frequent releases they got jumped on hard for not knowing anything about how games are made and that it does take 15 years to make a decent product.

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xep@discuss.online ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Maybe because other games are more fun?

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RedFrank24@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I’m of the opinion that it really depends on the nature of the game.

For example, the children are super hyped for GTA VI, because even though GTA V came out before some of them had object permanence, they’ve been playing it for years. It’s remained in their consciousness this entire time.

Compare that to Skyrim, which came out only a year or so before GTA V, and we haven’t seen an Elder Scrolls game since… The young don’t give a toss. They weren’t playing it then, they aren’t playing it now, so there’s absolutely no attachment to Elder Scrolls as a series.

Games used to stay in the consumer’s consciousness before by having sequels made every few years, sometimes even every year! Now? It’s all live services, so it doesn’t feel like the game hasn’t had a new iteration for over a decade.

In other words: Kids aren’t attached to franchises anymore because the game industry is stagnating.

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Feyd@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I’ve never played dragon quest, but as a long time final fantasy enjoyer, final fantasy 15 sucked so much I put it down and I never went out of my way to play 16 because of that.

FF7Remake was amazing. FF7Rebirth was good in many ways but also had way too much garbage and goofy shit so I have very mixed feelings about it. Also like the post said it’s a very long wait for a complete story. It also is not really an entry point because FF7 is a huge franchise in itself.

If you take those out of the equation, the last FF games were 13 lightning returns in 2013 which I think is probably good but very different (I didn’t end up finishing but not because I didn’t like it) and 13-2 which in my opinion is one of the best in the series but gets slept on because it’s gated by 13 (2009) which I like but I wouldn’t call amazing or transformative.

I think FF12 might would qualify as a worthy childhood formative game, which means (excluding 16 since I just don’t know) the last good FF that is also an entry point came out in 2006. 20 years ago.

Tldr; I don’t know if FF16 is a worthy childhood formative experience, but if it’s not, the last candidate is TWENTY years ago, so ofc young people aren’t getting attached to the franchise. They’re probably playing jrpgs that are actually good instead.

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