These morons really think AI is going to allow them to replace the technical folks. The same technical folks they severely loathe because they’re the ones with the skills to build the bullshit they dream up, and as such demand a higher salary. They’re so fucking greedy that they are just DYING to cut these people out in order to make more profits. They have such inflated egos and so little understanding of the actual technology they really thing they’re just going to be able to use AI to replace technical minds going forward. We’re on the precipice of a very funny “find out” moment for some of these morons.
CEO of Palantir Says AI Means You’ll Have to Work With Your Hands Like a Peasant
Submitted 3 weeks ago by themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com to technology@lemmy.world
https://futurism.com/future-society/palantir-ai-labor-hands
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OR3X@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
dukemirage@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
These morons really think AI is going to allow them to replace the technical folks.
This specific moron was talking about people with a humanities degree.
yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Even less plausible. There was a paper published recently arguing that by design LLMs are quite literally incapable of creativity. These predictive statistical models represent averages. They always and only generate the most banal outputs. That’s what makes them useful.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
A healthy chuck of CEOs have a humanities degree. It’s a common undergrad before moving to B and J-School.
innermachine@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I think these guys forget that ai is just a program written by drumroll please HUMANS. Sure we could shitcan every programmer and replace them with “vibe coders” and skate by for a year or two but when bugs crop up and backend issues pile up AI is not gonna unfuck the mess they created and it will require human intervention. If these pricks do away with the technical folk well get to that point and suffer a technological collapse because everybody that knew how to code fled or changed careers so they could pay rent.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
The FOSS ecosystem will be fine, because it’s maintained by people who do it for the love of the craft.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
The scary part is how it already somewhat is.
My friend is currently job hunting because they added AI to their flow and it does everything past the initial issue report.
the flow is now: issue logged -> AI formats and tags the issue -> AI makes the patch -> AI tests the patch and throws it back if it doesn’t work -> AI lints the final product once working -> AI submits the patch as pull.
Their job has been downscaled from being the one to organize, assign and work on code to an over-glorified code auditor who looks at pull requests and says “yes this is good” or “no send this back in”
PrejudicedKettle@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I feel like so much LLM-generated code is bound to deteriorate code quality and blow up the context size to such an extent that the LLM is eventually gonna become paralyzed
ns1@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
It would be interesting to know where your friend works and what kind of application it’s on, because your comment is the first time I’ve ever heard of this level of automation. Not saying it can’t be done, just skeptical of how well it would work in practice.
dreamkeeper@literature.cafe 3 weeks ago
There’s absolutely no way this can be effective for anything other than simple changes in each PR.
Canconda@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
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The rich fully intend to replace workers with slaves one way or another.
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AI robots can be utter shit and they will still be leaps and bounds above the task specific automation that has been replacing human workers for decades.
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As long as the rich maintain their monopoly qualify of service can drop indefinitely. Doesn’t matter if AI robots suck ass when no human employed company can compete and every other option is just as ass.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
AI robots can be utter shit and they will still be leaps and bounds more efficient than the task specific automation that has been replacing human workers for decades.
I disagree with this, and we already have live examples today that are good analogs. Youtube is being flooded with AI generated slop. AI generated scripts, read by AI generated voices, over top of AI generated images.
I never seek these out, and actively avoid them when I can tell what they are before clicking on them. In that first 2 seconds of AI generated voice, I can tell this is slop and stop watching it seeking a human generated video instead.
As long as the rich maintain their monopolies quality of service can drop indefinitely. Doesn’t matter if AI robots suck ass when no human employed company can compete and every other option is just as ass.
It can’t. At some point the quality of the product drops to a level it is no longer a product. Lets say we’re in your theoretical dystopian future where the monopoly exists for cookies. There is no other place to buy cookies except from the monopoly. You posit that quality can drop indefinitely as there is zero alternative sources for cookies. So lets say the monopoly cookie brand was deciding to substitute some of the wheat flower with sawdust as a cost saving measure with the consequence being yet lower quality cookies. At a tiny fraction of sawdust you may notice it, but the sawdust cookie may still be better than no cookie. The monopoly continues to increase the sawdust content until the cookie contains zero wheat flour and is entirely substituted with sawdust. I believe even you would concede you would no longer buy the sawdust cookies at this point. Further, you would have stopped buying them earlier when the sawdust content became so high that the cookie was inedible to you even though it contained some wheat flour at that point.
This same thing will apply to Youtube. If the only thing left to watch on youtube is AI slop because no human creators exist, then there is no point in watching youtube anymore.
The point here, is that even with a monopoly on a product, as soon as the quality drops below a certain threshold (and this point is different for every consumer), the product stops being a product to them.
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BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
They don’t even dream it up any more. They hire brains, sift through their ideas, and say “I like that. Do that.”
After that, they are experts in manipulating finances to makes their companies rich, and themselves richer, by paying the people who actually do the work, make the money, and create the shareholder value, as little as possible.
5too@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
At this point, I question whether they’re even experts in that kind of finance, or if they’re just connected to each other well enough, and have a few willing experts in hand, to maintain their position.
I honestly think the only thing most of them have going for them is that it’s their name on the accounts.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
That’s called “appropriating the surplus value of labor”
segabased@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Not just the high payed software folks, but the data centers are also maintained by highly skilled and hard working techs. And this technology is only possible with constant pristine maintenance if the servers to train their models. They loathe these people just as much and can’t wait to get humans out of the process
Reygle@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Mostly_Gristle@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Ironically us plebs who work with our hands are the people with the skill set necessary to build those things.
Tryenjer@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
And most jobs are manual labour, that guy wants to seem like he’s making an intelligent prediction about a supposed new paradigm shift, but ends up just stating the reality since an job is a job.
Reygle@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
We are also very capable of taking other things DOWN
matlag@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
And their goal is to make sure you can’t do anything without THEIR tools/plants, so that you don’t escape from their control.
Imagine we all work with our hands but decide we’ll only sell what we produce to our local communities and not large corporates.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Those who work with our hands can also swing an axe.
Siegfried@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
And we will do it we our own hands… he was right… he was right from the very start
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
We “peasants” are the only reason the filthy rich have what they have, including food, and clean water to drink. They need us, we don’t need them.
Fuck these useless leeches. Billionaires should not exist.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I’m more open-minded. Billionaires shouldn’t exist until we’ve solved the problem of global poverty. After that, I’m willing to consider the possibility, though I am unconvinced that billionaires deliver any societal benefit that compensates for the many downsides caused by their existence.
demonsword@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m more closed-minded. Billionaires shouldn’t exist, period. What I’d like to do to the existing ones cannot be posted here because that would entail be banned from the community.
L_N@piefed.ca 3 weeks ago
I don’t understand why we don’t revolt against the billionaires.
CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Does building a guillotine count as working with your hands?
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Because these billionaires convinced the manual workers that intellectual workers are the real problem, so now they’re cheering that the “gay office workers will finally be cured of their homosexuality through pain therapy” (I know way too many people believing “getting spoiled as a kid” or not being taught how to be a man is responsible for queerness, which includes “not being the manliest man on the earth”).
j_elgato@leminal.space 3 weeks ago
Much would be solved if we were to eat one of them. I mean, it works for the chimpanzees…
Soup@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Not even revolt, I don’t understand why we just willingly hand them power. Like, half of Canada voted for the far-right Conservative party and the other half voted for the center-right, lower-case conservative party. It’s going as expected but we just keep doing it.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
You need to start grass roots with a local militia.
Start small some graffiti here, some car bombs there.
Then once you have a large enough army you can contest your government.
DizzyMoth@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Many people live with the idea that one day they could became part of that 0.1 percent, and i mean it’s hard to blame them all of us independent from where we are have been feed with this kind of propaganda our entire life
sockenklaus@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
There’s nothing billionaire oligarchs fear more than people who are capable of thinking for themselves. Of course they want to destroy the humanities…
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Yes. It’s this, exactly. They don’t hate art, they hate how art unites us. And they hate how poignantly art can expresses how thoroughly we outnumber them.
iByteABit@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Hating on the humanities has been a talking point of the right wing for a long time, specifically because the empathy it nurtures leads to solidarity instead of survival of the fittest mentality. They say that these studies are useless to society, while capitalists are the only class that truly sits on top of society and leeches off of it
Bakkoda@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Murder the elite with my bare hands? Welp guess i need to start working out.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
I wouldn’t bother. They’re generally soft and weak. They didn’t get rich working hard. You can whup them.
atrielienz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You don’t own a shovel? If you have hands, you can make a shovel. We will. Need the shovels for the mass grave after the elite are all gone. You know, so we don’t allow the spread of diseases from necrotizing flesh.
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
i wish the things nobody wishes on anyone on the Palantir CEO.
korazail@lemmy.myserv.one 3 weeks ago
I wish him to sleep in a bed made by AI. Eat a meal made by AI. And then take a flight in a plane made and pulled by AI.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Personally I’d settle for degloving his limbs, scalpings, crucifying, and then burning him alive. If he dies midway due to shock keep going anyways.
LucidNightmare@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Sorry, buddy. I’ll burn down your fucking offices and data centers before I go back to manual labor.
I didn’t do 15 years of manual labor just to go back to that shit after I finally got out.
TheProtagonist@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
TL;DR: Tech billionaires like Karp see the rest of humanity as their worker bees.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Yeah, they aspire to neo-feudalism, but that’s a political rather than technology position.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
“Saying the quiet part out loud” moment, because they don’t feel like they need to be quiet. They’re untouchable.
svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
I studied poetry, painting, and music so that my sons could study mathematics and commerce, and their sons could work long hours on the assembly - without having ever studied anything - so that they can consume slop generated by AI that was pushed on everyone by people who studied commerce, created by people who studied mathematics, and trained on the works of those who studied poetry, painting, and music.
Suavevillain@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m tired of these techbro cultists without any humanity being in power at all.
BillyClark@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Assume for a moment that AI really was taking all of these types of jobs, which by the way, almost certainly includes CEOs. It would only be a matter of time before robots take those other jobs he’s talking about.
A normal human of normal intelligence would see that and conclude that people simply wouldn’t have to work anymore. And that therefore, everyone should have their basic necessities taken care of by their governments.
People would be free to do whatever they want, whether it be “humanities” work or creating things or whatever. We’re no longer constrained by the fact that our lives depend on our usefulness in jobs to the ruling class.
Only a member of that ruling class would see themselves as indispensable and others as slave labor.
Sp00kyB00k@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
He is such a self-centered, megalomaniac cunt.
boogiebored@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Humanities is literally exactly what ai is terrible at.
The tech folks might need to reskill and look out.
People will still be writing excellent poetry and we will need it more than ever. It will be spoken word and written and unreachable by the technical tendrils of these devils for training data.
People who think the humanities don’t matter are husks of human beings. Capitalist dogs with zero personality, no actual skill, and only insatiable greed. And apparently all pedophiles to boot.
These fucks lack humanity. They are AI agents with system prompt “mak munny”. Losers.
leriotdelac@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I don’t like where it’s going, and I dislike Palantir, but I also strongly disagree with calling manual work “peasant” labour. There’s nothing wrong with working with your hands.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Can we replace CEOs and the wealthy with AI? They don’t do anything AI can’t do. Would there be any reason to let them keep massive wealth if they aren’t contributing anything?
Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Get to work, plebs. Those guillotines won’t build themselves.
HarneyToker@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Of all practices, he says that philosophy will be replaced with AI. What a moron.
xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 3 weeks ago
He’d best hope the work those hands ends up doing isn’t pulling him by the hair to the scaffold.
elvis_depresley@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
we need more progressive taxing, ultra-rich people shouldn’t exist, let them be rich, just not ultra-rich.
selokichtli@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Are they stupid as fuck? On the knowledge of whom does he think their models are trained? Idiotic thieves.
termaxima@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
comfortable office work to which most people aspire
What ? Do people even aspire to work in the first place ? And idk about you, but I’d rather have been a craftswoman if you could still live off of that.
hamid@crazypeople.online 3 weeks ago
He is lying about its capabilities to protect the stock price
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Posting clickbait is almost as bad as writing clickbait.
We want to be informed, not have our emotions manipulated for ad revenue.
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
“AI will replace a humanities degree, so don’t bother going to college,” says billionaire who went to college. “I need you to use your hands to build batteries for my shitty AI that doesn’t work.”
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
I mean… this guy went from his early years as a self-professed socialist who went to protests and believed in social justice… to the most hyper-capitalist “let them eat cake” nutjob that you could imagine. What a world we live in.
canuck666777@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
AI can’t even crank out a decent powerpoint presentation after my giving it explicit prompts and their shit AI’s going to take over jobs? I hope their stock crashes soon!
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 3 weeks ago
Why do we tolerate these people?
tidderuuf@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Because most Americans with slack jaws hunch over their smartphone gawking at tiktok videos of people they hope to one day be but never will.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 3 weeks ago
Really feeling the victim blaming here when they made the devices into virtual heroine
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
“mOsT aMeRiCaNs…”
Blah, blah, blah. If you can tell me how to un-fuck this nation in a way that will actually wake people up, I’m all ears. But the way I see it, these things were insidiously marketed to the whole country slowly and incrementally, like frog in a slowly warming pot of water. Those of us who jumped out of the pot are watching in horror as the rest get boiled alive.
The problem is, frogs don’t have opposable thumbs and we can’t turn the gas off - so the pot keeps boiling.
wltr@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
In other words, a slave wants to have their own slaves, instead of being free.
termaxima@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Look, I hate the Americans with a seething passion as well, but they’re getting fucked over even more than we are right now.
Evil doesn’t suddenly become okay when you dislike the victims…
Telorand@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
I know you don’t necessarily mean it this way, but there’s a very interesting (and infuriating) history to why the US reveres the wealthy. The short version is that the ultra wealthy were pissed about the New Deal, so they used fundamentalist Christianity to tie the idea of wealth to holy favor from Yahweh.
We will have to overcome that idea if we hope to gain real class consciousness.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That concept existed WAY before the United State did.
The old idea was kings were rich because they were ordained to be kings by god. Questioning why the king was rich was questioning the word of god and punishable by death.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
It’s much older. That bullshit goes back to John Calvin (16th century Christo-Taliban idiot), and there are even precedents for it in the Torah, though balanced by other provisions about behaving like a decent human.
bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Makes sense for the overdrive push on the Christianity angle. It’s just obnoxious to someone who’s going pretty damn secular.
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Pray tell, how do you stop them?
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
I don’t want to get banned for answering this.
cecilkorik@piefed.ca 3 weeks ago
Mario has a brother, who I’ve heard of recently.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 3 weeks ago
What is it that supplies these oligarchs with power? what feeds their mass surveilance and data aggregation networks? It seems to be only a few moves are needed to place them on the same grid as us.
lets_make_bacon@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
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lemming@anarchist.nexus 3 weeks ago
https://vlix.io/video/2ef49b07fe6f62e6dc8d/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmZAsLMUuPw
flandish@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
nice try, uncle sam.
lets_make_bacon@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Yeah. Let’s show them how good we are with our hands.
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
People with the message and reach to call for mass general strikes and national scale marches on DC still think they can stop fascism with elections. Maybe I’m just too cynical in that regard to see the true situation but it seems after continued release of evidences of impeachable and heinous crimes Congress and the DoJ are firmly on the side of the fascist, pedophile political cult.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 3 weeks ago
This is what we call “cooked”
But theres still one super secret recipe that can save this dish
enterpries@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Because we’re stupid.
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
The system has evolved and is designed to make people obey the ruling class.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
And systems have been overthrown in the past when they become intolerable.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Whatcha gonna do about them?
It’s not like I invite any of them over to smoke a joint. They exist and I can’t do much about it
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 3 weeks ago
These dudes to crack and ket not weed. You’re offerinf the wrong poison.
scarabic@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I mean… what do you actually suggest? We take a vote on Lemmy about who to execute?
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 3 weeks ago
No vote is necessary, we have multiple complete lists and even data aggregators showing their relations to each other.