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Comment on CEO of Palantir Says AI Means You’ll Have to Work With Your Hands Like a Peasant

partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

AI robots can be utter shit and they will still be leaps and bounds more efficient than the task specific automation that has been replacing human workers for decades.

I disagree with this, and we already have live examples today that are good analogs. Youtube is being flooded with AI generated slop. AI generated scripts, read by AI generated voices, over top of AI generated images.

I never seek these out, and actively avoid them when I can tell what they are before clicking on them. In that first 2 seconds of AI generated voice, I can tell this is slop and stop watching it seeking a human generated video instead.

As long as the rich maintain their monopolies quality of service can drop indefinitely. Doesn’t matter if AI robots suck ass when no human employed company can compete and every other option is just as ass.

It can’t. At some point the quality of the product drops to a level it is no longer a product. Lets say we’re in your theoretical dystopian future where the monopoly exists for cookies. There is no other place to buy cookies except from the monopoly. You posit that quality can drop indefinitely as there is zero alternative sources for cookies. So lets say the monopoly cookie brand was deciding to substitute some of the wheat flower with sawdust as a cost saving measure with the consequence being yet lower quality cookies. At a tiny fraction of sawdust you may notice it, but the sawdust cookie may still be better than no cookie. The monopoly continues to increase the sawdust content until the cookie contains zero wheat flour and is entirely substituted with sawdust. I believe even you would concede you would no longer buy the sawdust cookies at this point. Further, you would have stopped buying them earlier when the sawdust content became so high that the cookie was inedible to you even though it contained some wheat flour at that point.

This same thing will apply to Youtube. If the only thing left to watch on youtube is AI slop because no human creators exist, then there is no point in watching youtube anymore.

The point here, is that even with a monopoly on a product, as soon as the quality drops below a certain threshold (and this point is different for every consumer), the product stops being a product to them.

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Canconda@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
And yet youtube is still the dominant video host.

You’re missing the point.

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- partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  And yet youtube is still the dominant video host.
  
  Youtube hasn’t descended to being unusable yet.
  
  You’re missing the point entirely. If instead of luxuries you look through the lens of necessities perhaps you’ll see. Like replace cookies with bread and try tell me people will choose to starve first. Like obviously not.
  
  I think you’re missing the point. If we substitute bread in the example I gave and they’re putting sawdust in it, then yes people will not buy bread made with zero flour, but instead made with sawdust. Yes, people will stop buying bread in that situation because they would die anyway because the bread doesn’t produce nutritional value.
  
  Ask a ford employee 30 years ago about robot automation. Like this is not a new thing in the 2020s. The rich have a playbook for this.
  
  Now you’re speaking against your original point. Robot automation has not lowered the quality of a Ford vehicle. If anything it has increased it. A robot can have assembly tolerances much tighter than a human. Where is the lowering of quality from a robot making the vehicle that your original thesis demands?
  
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  - Canconda@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    Robot automation has not lowered the quality of a Ford vehicle
    
    I never said that and the quality of a ford truck is irrelevant to the assembly worker who lost their job due to automation.
    
    You need to back up because you have gone down a tangent alone.
    
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    partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    Robot automation has not lowered the quality of a Ford vehicle
    
    I never said that and the quality of a ford truck is irrelevant to the assembly worker who lost their job due to automation.
    
    You need to back up because you have gone down a tangent alone.
    
    I agree we’re down a tangent, but I’m following the logic of your responses. Which point to you want to back up to that would change our conversation path?
    
    The notion that people won’t eat sawdust bread is demonstrably false with many historical examples proving you wrong.
    
    I’m glad you saw those. I specifically chose sawdust in my example because of those events in history. Those support what I’m talking about. When the adulteration of the food became bad enough, people stopped eating it.
    
    Your stipulation about zero flour is a moving goalpost and a strawman fyi
    
    My “zero flour” comment is a response to your original thesis where you said: “quality of service can drop indefinitely.”
    
    It can’t be indefinitely. There’s a point where people will stop consuming it when it gets bad enough.
    
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phutatorius@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

In that first 2 seconds of AI generated voice, I can tell this is slop and stop watching it seeking a human generated video instead.

Report that crap, every time. I’s a plague.

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