How was anyone supposed to know he was gonna do the things he said he wanted to do. 1000002742
YSK that everything the New York Times about Donald Trump actually happened
Submitted 2 weeks ago by Vayo@sh.itjust.works to youshouldknow@lemmy.world
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/25/opinion/what-trump-says.html
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cmoney@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
IronBird@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
tbf, an america politician actually saying what the intend to do is a massive outlier
TheBrideWoreCrimson@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
They craved an honest politican. They got one.
I mean, apart from all the tax avoidance, tax evasion, grift, graft and sinecures.SupahRevs@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
He said he had nothing to do with project 2025 tho.
coredev@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Damn, doing p2025 but the exact opposite would be a pretty rad society.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Don’t leave out the part where all public school male students would be required to take military aptitude screening…one step shy on universal conscription
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
It was fucking laid out in P2025 and from the mouths of the billionaires
Arrest him. The fuck
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
For what. He has full immunity according to the Supreme Court.
TheBrideWoreCrimson@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
No, no. “Arrest.”
As in “stop in his tracks.”
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
In 2024? Oh. In 2016, both Mary Trump and Tony Schwartz predicted Jan 6, 2021: If he loses the next election, he won’t go willingly.
zergtoshi@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ever since Jan 6 21 it’s been crystal clear where this goes if he wins again.
“Wins again” as in violating another part of the constitution (22nd amendment)?
RhondaSandTits@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
It’s not against the constitution for Vance to serve 2 terms as president with Trump as VP, and we all know Trump will cuck Vance to effectively still be acting President.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
I meant it from the POV of 2021, so “wins again in 24”
limer@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
So…. I am going to express my opinion that Trumpism is merely the latest, not so different, expression of American capitalism that has always been this nasty and poisonous. And this includes the raids and round ups currently in the news.
There are some things that changed: the targets and oppressed have changed for some. The messaging has changed.
It’s a fad. This will fade soon enough, and things will still be bad. The good guys will be elected and clean up some of the stuff, but most of what they do will be ineffective. And then the next bad guy will come to power
garretble@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Based on what toady Mike Johnson and trump have been saying today/yesterday about how the GOP should control elections, I have a lot of worry that there will never be any more “good guys” elected.
limer@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Many states have elections that do not allow recounts, using hidden methods to count, and flunk the same fraud checks used pretty in other counties reliably.
Given that, I’m not too worried
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
bannon already suggested ICE at teh polling stations/.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Exactly.
What Donald is doing has always occurred. It’s just been better hidden, and he doesn’t care to hide any of it. The corruption we’re seeing now is only new if you’ve never cracked open a history book.
balsoft@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Who are the “good guys”? The only remotely non-evil person who had a serious bid for president is Sanders, the rest are straight up pieces of shit who bankroll genocides, bomb civilians, and empower their billionaire donors. Even then, Sanders is ineffective, somewhat zionist, and old, and I don’t see a viable young replacement even for someone like him.
In the US, the political mainstream isn’t “good guys vs bad guys”, it’s 80% hitler vs 100% hitler.
NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
And even Sanders parroted the “they have a right to defend themselves” rhetoric when push came to shove
limer@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I feel like there are not any good and effective leaders or movements. At least not nationally
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Stalin was not capitalist. This happens in spite of the economic system.
irelephant@anarchist.nexus 2 weeks ago
Its hard to call it a prediction when he literally just said it himself
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
Fuck that. It was predicted a full year before. This is bullshit. Stop reading the NYT. They lied about the attack on Oct 7 (claimed sex crimes that didn’t happen) and never made a retraction. I cancelled my subscription to them and to the Washington Post (cause Bezos killed an opinion piece endorsing Biden, who I voted for because fuck Trump, but Biden was a terrible candidate).
Listen to the audio-book, “Manufacturing Consent,” from Noam Chomsky. Unfortunately, he’s in the Epstein docs, so I can’t recommend him otherwise. Oh well. All these people are monsters.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 2 weeks ago
Unfortunately, he’s in the Epstein docs, so I can’t recommend him otherwise.
Also read an introductory textbook on logic & pay attention to fallacies like ad hominem. Shit’s timeless & really pays off far better than whatever joke of an education people got.
Bitswap@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Beyond being buddies with Epstein, Noam is just a piece of shit of a person. Just absolute scum with interesting and thoughtful insights…but just a horrible person.
humanamerican@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Can you point me toward some resources to learn more (aside from Epstein dump)? I have always admired his writing on propaganda and sociology but am painfully unaware of what he is like as a person.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
People who are “in the Epstein files” probably just pissed off the Moussad. Otherwise, where the fuck are the other names? Sounds like a bunch if bullshit to me. Documents can be falsified.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
There’s photos of Chomsky and Epstein laughing and sitting together on his jet. Its not as if his name just happens to be written in the documents devoid of any other context.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Biden was a terrible candidate
In a binary choice. He can also be the best candidate. Unfortunately many Americans don’t understand the difference between “imperfect” and “comically bad, unsuitable and incapable”. It’s too nuanced.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It said he’d shit his pants on live TV in the oval office?
end_stage_ligma@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Pg 32, ¶2, §3
ceenote@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Donald Trump was a lot of peoples’ fault. One article nailing him doesn’t cancel out all the articles that normalized or sane washed him, or ran with his narrative. Nor does it undercut all the well-justified mistrust of legacy American media. It’s not as if people started trusting pundits out of nowhere - they started looking for commentary and news from alternate sources because yeah, actually, legacy media does work for the wealthy. Not that MAGA pundits don’t, but that’s beside the point.
ReHomed@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks ago
Rightoids are unbelievably predictable. Meet one in public and you could guess everything that comes out of their mouth from the very beginning of the conversation
Only actual fucking idiots are unable to realize how predictable rightoids are
nednobbins@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
The current stance of the president of the Heritage Foundation seems to be that if the left does not take up arms, MAGA will take over everything, permanently.
nomy@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Our current situation really is the culmination of almost 70 years of rightwing efforts. It’s a long listen but worth checking out How Conservatism Won by Robert Evans. He lays out in a clear concise way “how a consortium of rich failsons got together to fund a network of right wing think tanks and shift American culture in a fun new direction. (note: it was not actually fun at all).” They’ve been very successful and those think tanks are now pipelines used to funnel ideological purists into powerful positions like our current Supreme Court.
The shadowy cabals the rightwing says are behind everything is classic projection again, they’re controlled by shadowy cabals of rich people. One of the primary ghouls/traitors responsible for the attempted overthrow of our government on J6 was Roger Stone, the same traitorous ratfucker who began his career working for Nixon and has a fucking Nixon tattoo on his back. It’s really impossible to overstate how bad these people are and they’re winning.
The coup was successful, they’re in power and if they don’t want to give it up they won’t.
Get to know people in your community. Take an interest in growing food, learn how to fix things. Establish secondary lines of communication and start preparing.
afsc.org/news/how-create-mutual-aid-network
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
thats why they dont target MAGat cities or districts, also dont want to upset your base.
someguy3@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
many of his most reckless efforts in his first administration were stymied only because of others in his administration who blocked, delayed or watered down his aims to ensure that he could not put himself above the law or the country.
I often wonder what would have happened if his first term was unleashed. Eg if McCain voted yes to dismantle ACA. If Trump got his way the first time, would he have gotten in the second?
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If Trump had gotten his way the first time, we’d be in a fascist dictatorship that is 9 years old now instead of one.
ameancow@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Every single fucking thing Trump has done I predicted and warned people about and got shadowbanned across half the goddamn internet for it.
Okay great we were warned, let’s stop whinging about the idiots of the past and start working to convince today’s idiots.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think the most important thing about this era is to understand how the fuck this happened. I have no answers and have never heard anything convincing. I think if humanity lasts long enough, hundreds of years of scholars will be trying to understand it. Most people on earth could’ve predicted most of this shit, yet no amount of spreading that knowledge made a fucking difference. If nothing else, this tells us how unbelievably irrational humans are.
ameancow@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I have a pretty good idea how it happened, I just have no idea how we can guardrail our human weaknesses against every single entity committed to exploiting those weaknesses in new and inventive ways so that they can gain power over others.
We had this entirely new thing come into our lives where we could get mental stimulation on-tap anytime we want, perpetually and it fucked everyone’s minds, we lost our attention spans as organized groups worked tirelessly to change our thinking and behavior, either for commercial purposes or for social/political agendas, and it worked spectacularly because we had no idea what “the internet” does to a human brain until someone makes the internet and does it all to us.
Social pressure holds communities together, as primitive as it is, it’s a system we’re designed to work within, and as we’ve given up community outside influences are replacing it with incel-forums, loot-boxes, 24-hour news feeds, same-day shopping and and endless stream of jokes, memes and voices each desperately trying to get your attention, and getting just enough that you don’t look away or question your own capacity to question.
And of course it doesn’t help that actual bad people are doing things like indirectly paying millions of people in developing nations to spread propaganda across the US for retweets and clicks because it’s just enough money to make a career for someone in India or Philippines.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No, most of them are just racist enough that they genuinely don’t care what else happens so long as non-whites suffer.
Then large swaths of people who chugged the propaganda Kool-aid into thinking any other group of people achieving 1 more right or freedom meant all of theirs were being stripped away.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
fuck the NYT they have repeatedly failed to do their jobs
obey@lemmy.wtf 2 weeks ago
I wait for putin, trump and all geriatric rulers to die already
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Is Vance any better?
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
For couch makers and furniture retailers, yes!
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
He at least doesn’t have a cult following
king_comrade@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Evil never dies, it must be killed
bearboiblake@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
evil never dies unless we make it
teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Predicted…openly by Trump.
choui4@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
We gotta take lessons from the Panthers, ya’ll
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t disagree with the content of this post but take this OPs hour-old account with a large grain of salt, this is likely a self deleting spam account.
plyth@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Posts from back then:
Search, for some reason without a direct result for the posts:
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh got NYT slop
RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A republic, if you can keep it
twistypencil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
But but Kamala didn’t say Palestine! /S
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I don’t think many people really blame journalists so much as they blame the news media corporations that employ them.
Yes, if you are well informed and are actively looking for this type of journalism it’s widely available. However, you also have to know how to sift through the mountains of articles that conflict with this article run and promoted by the same organization.
The problem is that these companies are essentially advertising platforms whose motivations are not based in journalistic integrity, but to maintain user engagement.
But instead, the american public prefered to trust influencers such as Joe Rogan, Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, Tim Pool, Benny Johnson.
I think this is an inherent reaction to be expected when people lack trust in mainstream institutions. You can’t expect people to not seek alternative knowledge when what you see around you does not reflect the story being sold over the television.
Trust in institutions can take decades to build, and all these inconsistencies with reality can eat away at that trust in a much shorter period of time. When the tickers on the bottoms of the screen constantly tell you the economy is doing better than ever and you’re having to work overtime to put food on the table. When every news outlet is agreeing with the president about invading a country because they have weapons of mass destruction. With decades of these conflicts with reality… of course people are going to seek alternative sources of information.
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
When the trash humans are saying they will do this and that. When they publish it. Its not a prediction.
JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Or how to smuggle US politics into literally any community.
rumba@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Venezuela, Greenland, YSK@lemmy.world
we can’t help ourselves.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
theres no rule precluding it, and besides it wasnt even smuggling, get off your high horse.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yup.
Reminds me of the time everyone was excited about Joe Biden and I (rightly) predicted that for the vast majority of Americans, your lives were about to get vastly more expensive.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Abd still it’s being allowed to happen
humanamerican@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
[deleted]Stern@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Hey now, some of them could have not read it because of a paywall at the time too.
humanamerican@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Sorry, I combined two comments into one and your reply got orphaned
TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
BenderRodriguez@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is Lemmy. Ain’t no one here surprised by this. We’ve been shouting at each other that this would happen for 2 years.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Try 10+ years
BenderRodriguez@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
On Lemmy?
humanamerican@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Also, our media (even the “liberal media”) is part of the problem. For example, they did such a terrible job explaining Trump’s attempts to steal the 2020 election that to this day even many anti-Trump Americans don’t understand how fucked up it was.
The primary blame is on the sociopaths in charge and the troglodytes who voted them in, but there is plenty of guilt to go around.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I worked in news media in the Bush years and I got to see first hand how our national news promoted the lies coming from the Bush administration and helping spearhead support for an Iraq invasion.
The media has been a problem for a long time.
humanamerican@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Iraq II - Shock and Awe was definitely a huge part of my political awakening. I’m still saddened (but no longer amazed) that more people didn’t figure it out at the time, and that so many still haven’t figured it out.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
I’m still pretty pissed off about that. It’s when I learned that a huge number of my fellow citizens are really stupid. Covid was when I learned that they’re also hateful pieces of shit.
Freedom fries, you guys. Woohoo.
pdxfed@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
NYT endorsed Iraq invasion even though there was no evidence of WMDs and the rest of the world was against it. Surprise, no WMDs were found.
Interestingly, some companies did steal billions upon billions of dollars and we blew the national debt up. Strange that outcome …
brownsugga@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The biggest lie of them all is the “Liberal” in liberal media
All American media is essentially fascist, they’ve proven this beyond a doubt
If there were even a HINT of an ALLEGATION that Biden or Obama were party to INFANTICIDE they would have burned DC to the ground. Now all the US media outlets are just participating in the damage control operation
Luniio@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
lol
Fermion@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
I don’t recall the media covering the fake electors of the Jan 6 coup hardly at all. The media loved to cover the big violent crowd becaus it was flashy. However, the fake elector scheme was the more significant crisis in my mind. That showed a planned and coordinated effort by people in power to subvert democracy.
humanamerican@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Precisely.
Luniio@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You probably don’t recall because you aren’t paying attention.
It was covered
edition.cnn.com/2022/…/fake-electors-explainer
Tedesche@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No, the people who needed to be convinced were the on-the-fence independents who stupidly thought they’d get a better economy under “Trump the successful businessman” than Kamala “Joe Biden 2.0 Harris.” They’re the ones who dismissed Trump’s stated plans as bluster; the people you’re talking about knew he wasn’t joking and were counting on it.
BigDiction@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
My folks didn’t even know the fake elector story until Liz Cheney’s book came out. That was Dec 2023
60 Minutes didn’t cover fake electors until Feb 2024.
Like it or not, this is likely on par with the experience of tens of millions of American voters.
Totally agreed, media failed to present the full scope of the conspiracy and did it way too fucking late.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
The media didn’t fail at all, it worked exactly as intended.
zebidiah@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
if the average voting american knew how to read they would be very upset!