JubilantJaguar
@JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world
- Comment on 3 days ago:
So you’re saying that (you think the data says) most people here are not blanket-downvoting anything that gives them marginally bad vibes, and that the damage is being done by a busy few? Interesting if true. I too basically never downvote, on the principle that it’s toxic and hostile and just not something that has a polite equivalent in person. I had assumed I was a massive outlier.
- Comment on 3 days ago:
All decent advice. Here’s a thought experiment.
Start a discussion, debate, or ponder about [etc]
By the same token it would be bad to stop such a discussion, right? Right.
Make new communities if you don’t see one that fits
Therefore it would be bad to *destroy" such communities, right? Indeed.
Upvote the things you like
So, it would be bad to downvote the things you - personally, subjectively - don’t like - right? It wouldn’t? Why so?
Don’t downvote other people’s good-faith opinions. It’s petty, it’s juvenile, it’s toxic. Even if you don’t see it that way. It’s precisely what will discourage the participation we all want to see.
- Comment on YSK about the French Republican Calendar 4 weeks ago:
As I recall, a major reason it didn’t take off was very simple: the new “Sunday” only came every 10 days instead of 7!
The best bit about it was the definitely the evocative month names.
- Comment on YSK about the French Republican Calendar 4 weeks ago:
13! A prime number indivisible into anything. Ugh!
- Comment on Is there a formalized ban appeal process for the fediverse? Do I just direct message a mod? 4 weeks ago:
I’m mortified :( It’s never been my goal to make others feel bad online. I had a quibble with the wording on a meme and clumsily worded my idea of “Our differences shouldn’t be minimized because they make us special” was seen as transphobia/TERF rhetoric.
Try not to take it personally. You waded into a subject which has become a sort of rationality-free zone. Perhaps more so even than Israel-Palestine, or immigration in Europe. On these topics there is almost nobody left who is interested in nuanced debate, it’s now only a question of identifying which “side” one’s interlocutor is on, and then unloading on them (or downvoting, or deleting, or blocking, or banning) as appropriate. You stumbled into sterile trench warfare, basically.
Soon after I joined Lemmy I was banned from a (somewhat serious) community for making the same mistake you made. I learned my lesson. With certain topics, genuine debate - open-minded, good faith discussion - is just not possible. I see it as a failure of Lemmy, yes, but mainly of the whole medium of text-based social media. It’s certainly not your fault.
- Comment on Recommend that new users join geographically local instances 1 month ago:
Since when did I claim to be “passionate” about anything? My proposal concerns new users, it’s in the title. I’m not a new user any more and I have a bunch of post and comments to my virtual name (not that it’s important, sure). But I now see that it would have been better if I had been pushed to another server when I signed up. Hence the proposal.
- Comment on Recommend that new users join geographically local instances 1 month ago:
You’re an argumentative fellow! I’m still not sure exactly what it is you’re disagreeing with. My proposal is pretty boring and inoffensive. Everything’s in the post. But if you disagree, that’s fine.
Servers are communities.
No they’re not. Communities have “c/” in front of their name. I’m sure you know that already.
- Comment on Recommend that new users join geographically local instances 1 month ago:
You’re just saying I should practice what I preach and get off LW, is that it? Can’t be bothered, but fair enough. My proposal here concerns new users.
- Comment on Recommend that new users join geographically local instances 1 month ago:
Everyone can do what they like. I just believe we have a small opportunity to strengthen our offline communities, and we should take that opportunity.
- Comment on Recommend that new users join geographically local instances 1 month ago:
Seems to be a misunderstanding. My proposal concerns servers, not communities. It would do no more than responsibilize users (“your virtual home here has people who may be your neighbors”) and encourage them to join local communities where they might discuss local issues (rather than, say, US politics).
What youre asking for, IMO, is for the fediverse to work more like facebook and twitter, which HEAVILY bias their feeds towards local matters. The US would not have been so easy to turn into a xenophobic ball of angry people if their social media were MORE international.
Corporate social media is only biased towards local if you count the whole USA as “local”. Again, seems to be a misunderstanding. In the US case “local” would mean state or town.
- Comment on Recommend that new users join geographically local instances 1 month ago:
Since when am I proposing a utopia? I’m proposing that people talk to people in their physical communities. Nothing more ambitious than that.
- Comment on Recommend that new users join geographically local instances 1 month ago:
People not wanting to see hate speech or propaganda does not mean they are in echo chambers.
You know that bad guys are now calling your ideas “hate speech” and “propaganda”, right? And they believe it as much as you do. How do you propose to get out of this mess if not by talking?
- Comment on Recommend that new users join geographically local instances 1 month ago:
That’s exactly what they’re saying - and believing - about you. Meanwhile they have the power. Good luck.
- Comment on Recommend that new users join geographically local instances 1 month ago:
Well, if the true nature of the fediverse is to encourage people to silo themselves into echo chambers where they never have to deal with others who don’t already share all their values and opinions - if that’s truly the point of this thing - then yes, apparently I’m wasting my time here. I still hope there’s a better way.
- Comment on Recommend that new users join geographically local instances 1 month ago:
This - IMO - is the kind of thinking that has got US politics into the state it’s in today.
- Comment on Recommend that new users join geographically local instances 1 month ago:
Yes and I answered that argument
- Comment on Recommend that new users join geographically local instances 1 month ago:
There’s only one mexican instance
Join it and make it better.
it uses a whitelist and it fucking federates with grad
Change that fact, or accept it, or use blocking features (which are not lacking).
Sure, these won’t be popular suggestions, but IMO social media should not be just another form of shopping, where we pick exactly what agrees with us best, and annoys us least, and then lock the door to keep everything else out.
- Comment on Recommend that new users join geographically local instances 1 month ago:
So the recommended unit can be the nearest server with any critical mass. If you’re in Greece you get pushed to whatever’s the leading
.grserver. Ultimately it doesn’t matter much since we can all interact with everything via federation. My point is that this might responsibilize users more, and encourage communities to overlap with the offline world a bit more - a place where community is very much needed right now. - Comment on Recommend that new users join geographically local instances 1 month ago:
As a support structure providing more open communication, the fediverse might help with that. It in itself is not, and is not supposed to be, democratic
This was not my point. My point is that social media will always encourage “niches” (as you hint) and that it would be better for our politics if these overlapped with real-world communities than with, say, obscure hobbies (neutral politically) or political affiliation (the original sin of this new medium).
- Comment on Recommend that new users join geographically local instances 1 month ago:
Putting aside your insults and arrogant tone, I’ll just stress that my suggestion is political, it has nothing to do with technical factors.
- Comment on Recommend that new users join geographically local instances 1 month ago:
As a bubble-ensconced expat you’re likely in a different category!
But sure. My proposal is that if you sign up from a Czech IP, you get pushed to whatever’s the most local server with more than X active users, or X recent uptime ratio, for example.
- Comment on Recommend that new users join geographically local instances 1 month ago:
Yes indeed, but partly the problem with those places is that their bias towards conflict and toxicity is fueled by ad-based algorithms.
- Comment on Recommend that new users join geographically local instances 1 month ago:
This need not concern the physical location of the servers, just their purpose and audience.
- Comment on Recommend that new users join geographically local instances 1 month ago:
Was not aware of the latency issue. But that’s something that can surely be overcome.
By “reviving democracy” I mean just that. Democracy is in a bad way and it’s partly because of the changed information environment. The crisis of professional journalism has decimated local news. People don’t know their neighbors or what’s going on in their communities. This is not an original observation.
- Comment on Recommend that new users join geographically local instances 1 month ago:
To counter my own argument, that’s partly because that instance is less likely to go away or suffer downtime than one run by a single person and with 10 active users. It’s partly why I signed up to it (also because nobody was telling me to do otherwise).
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- Comment on YSK tricks for one of the cheapest meals: beans and rice 1 month ago:
Always the final resort to “you’re arguing in bad faith”… You have no more idea what motivates me than I have about you, so why bother making this unfalsifiable accusation? Anyway. You have expressed what you don’t understand about my argument, just as I’ve already expressed what I don’t understand about yours, as well as I possibly can. Nobody else is listening. Let’s just leave it there.
- Comment on YSK tricks for one of the cheapest meals: beans and rice 1 month ago:
Obese means fat, not just overweight. The fact that there are twice as many non-obese among the poor does not make them thin! Unless it’s that people get fatter and fatter as they get poorer, until they get really poor and they suddenly they become skeletal, is that what we’re claiming? This whole talking point makes no sense and you seem rational enough to be able to admit that.
- Comment on YSK tricks for one of the cheapest meals: beans and rice 1 month ago:
How can there be “huge swathes” of Americans who are “poorer than” the Americans who are so poor that they can only afford junk food and thus explain America’s obesity statistics. This whole talking point makes no sense.
- Comment on YSK tricks for one of the cheapest meals: beans and rice 1 month ago:
Tell me that you haven’t read 1984. “War is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength”, and today “obesity is hunger”, apparently.