What's it going to take to truly stop the US?

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So now we can add “directly capturing a sovereign leader” to the list of crap the US has done. So what do you think will actually be “the straw that broke the camels back” for world leaders to actually do something? Think it’ll be significant or something mundane?

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sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Russia invaded Ukraine and was immediately under many sanctions. I don’t get why the world doesn’t treat the US the same way. Aside from greed.

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- bunchberry@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Obvious answer is that the USA is the world’s largest economy while Russia is not, so if USA says “if you trade with Russia then you can’t trade with me” then most countries will happily accept ceasing trade with Russia to remain in the US market but if Russia says the same about the USA then people would just laugh and go trade with the USA.
  
  The only country that might have some leverage in sanctioning the US is China but China has historically had a “no allies” policy. Chinese leadership hate the idea of that because then they would feel obligated to defend them and defending another country is viewed very poorly in Chinese politics. They thus only ever form trade relations and never alliances, meaning if your country is attacked they have no obligation to you. Chinese politicians may verbally condemn the attack but they won’t do anything like sanctions or even provide their own military support in return.
  
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  - sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Huh, I didn’t know that about China. TIL.
    
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  - pressanykeynow@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    It’s a valid reason to not sanction the US. However no sanctions against other countries invading their neighbours suggest that just the Russian case is special.
    
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- elbiter@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Greed, fear and dependency
  
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mycodesucks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I hate to say it, but there’s no fast answer to that question.

The best answer seems to be what most smart countries are doing right now… slowly unwinding their dependency on the US and finding alternative suppliers for everything critical they need so they can get the leverage they need to criticize and resist. This has the added benefit of isolating the US economically, reducing its currency’s ability to influence things.

Over time the US will grow less and less able to throw its weight around, and eventually a tipping point will be reached where picking an ideological fight with the US won’t have a major impact. That’s when the US will be stopped.

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- ramble81@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Logically that makes sense for an elongated timeline, but that also assumes the US doesn’t ramp up their actions, which sadly seems to be the case. So the question is “what then?”
  
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  - CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Nations can’t ignore the fact that the US has one of the active militaries in the world. Our Navy is more of less second to none and we have nukes. In the hands of a normal president, we might be fine but you sure as heck know that Trump and his Project 2025 people are just itching to launch one.
    
    This is a situation where there are no good options. The best you can do is continue political pressure, get other nations to rally behind you in the hopes of creating a strong economic resistance.
    
    But the real answer is that we, the US citizens, need to fucking take this country back. I hate to say it but protests simply aren’t enough anymore.
    
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- lechekaflan@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  The best answer seems to be what most smart countries are doing right now… slowly unwinding their dependency on the US and finding alternative suppliers for everything critical they need so they can get the leverage they need to criticize and resist. This has the added benefit of isolating the US economically, reducing its currency’s ability to influence things.
  
  What Mainland China is trying to do: win countries deemed to have been alienated by the Americans.
  
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- brachiosaurus@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  I hate to say it, but there’s no fast answer to that question.
  
  There’s is indeed a fast and peaceful answer: vote third parties.
  
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  - Natanael@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Doesn’t work in single vote winner-takes-all elections. You need something like RCV first
    
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  - edible_funk@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Remember kids, in first past the post a vote for third party is a vote for republicans.
    
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  - Soulg@ani.social ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Ah yes, because the Democrats are just as bad and would’ve done all this anyway!!! Why did nobody else think of that!!!
    
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Jhex@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
WW3 fought in mainland USA…

The usa has only ever benefitted from war… once they taste it at home and have cities to rebuild, they may drop the deadly combination of chicken hawk and apathy that seems to be their take on war

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- ikidd@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I don’t think we want to see what the world’s biggest military would do if there were large-scale attacks on American soil. This planet would be a smoking ruin before calmer heads prevailed. They lost their fucking minds for more than a decade after the WTC strikes and still haven’t recovered, and are currently backsliding.
  
  Man, fuck that.
  
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  - Jhex@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I didn’t say this should happen… I said I thought it’s what would be needed for the usa to change
    
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liuther9@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Stop paying taxes

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Lumisal@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
For starters, not relying on US payment processors.

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- puppinstuff@lemmy.ca ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  This is realistically the best thing we can do as outsiders. Find other ways and don’t input foreign money into the war coffers.
  
  I’m quite proud of the Canadian dip in tourism and how nearly all of the produce that came from the US at my grocery store now comes from Mexico and Peru.
  
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- Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I’ve never understood why no country does this yet. They have the capital. Even when the US swings its dick around and sanctions ICC judges because they actually do the job they’ve been assigned to do no one does shit. Just let’s it happen.
  
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- Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  The EU might have a rollout of the digital euro soon… Soon being 2029 for the initial rollout because that is fast for us.
  
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  - AppleTea@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Euro bonds, the EU needs to start issuing bonds
    
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mrdown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
World war 3

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- tate@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Or just a US revolution could work. We don’t have to kill everyone.
  
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  - mrdown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    That would be a good solution but world war 3 looks more probable
    
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  - UnspecificGravity@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Half of America actively support this shit. They are a LONG way from doing anything about this themselves.
    
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  - psoul@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    How is the US population to unite, self organize into militias and erect barricades with the current surveillance state and social media polarization?
    
    Americans are staying at home doom scrolling and getting angry about their scarecrow neighbors they are made to dislike.
    
    We know for sure that Americans are not ready to do anything more than voting and praying to answer any form of the social question. Haven’t been for a while. We’re on the slope of them not caring about the political question either. It’s all bread, circuses and surveillance algorithms.
    
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- WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Even that’s just a bandaid fix because it should really be all genuine humans against all other humans that play “the game”.
  
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  - tym@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    People want a turn to drive the hate bus. There’s an idea that the US is the nexus of racism and slavery, but someone had to sell the slaves and I’m guessing if you went to a place like Thailand and started calling everyone Vietnamese (or vice versa), there’d be some problems sooner than later.
    
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- the_q@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  So the destruction of life on this planet? Yeah you’re right.
  
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  - mrdown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    I am just predicting. I wish a more peaceful way
    
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- PostaL@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  That will make them even richer…
  
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  - mrdown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Not if they are the losers of the war
    
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- jimmy90@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  just vote Democrat
  
  jesus, we live in a world of tankies
  
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  - mrdown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    you are no better than tankies for defending the lesser of the warmongers
    
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DupaCycki@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
My best guess is mass riots/civil war. The main reasons why it’s not happening yet are because Trump still has a good number of supporters and because Americans are - rightfully - afraid of their police (or soldiers) killing them.

Trump is steadily losing his supporters every week, and the number of people at risk of dying due to lack of food or healthcare is increasing. If your life is at serious risk anyway, might as well get a shot at a revolution. And the more people willing to do it with you, the better the chances.

However, I’m not sure how realistic this scenario is. I’m concerned that a change of government for a slightly better one may be enough for most Americans to calm down. After all, they’re very much used to being abused by their elites, whether they realize it or not.

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- Limerance@piefed.social ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  A civil war, mass riots, general strike, etc. only happens when people are really suffering. For the most part Americans are still doing pretty okay.
  
  American society is also atomized. Mass political movements are rare and often fizzle out like occupy wallstreet or BLM. There’s widespread dissatisfaction with politics in general. So far nobody has found a way or even wanted to tap that besides MAGA
  
  You’re overlooking that MAGA is an actually revolutionary movement in many ways. The revolution is already happening with Trump at the helm. It’s not going the way you want.
  
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  - KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    This is the sad truth. MAGA is the revolution against Neoliberalism, combined with the economic transition from Late-Stage capitalism to Techno-Feudalism.
    
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- Tja@programming.dev ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Trump had been steadily losing supporters since January 2017 and he still got more votes in 2024.
  
  The brainwash is working. Dear leader can do nothing wrong. Everything is a hoax and if it’s not, it’s the democrats’ fault.
  
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slappyfuck@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Don’t forget that we’ve done much worse. Obama straight up assassinated Bin Laden in a foreign country.

But I mean honestly, we’d have to lose a significant amount of military power and if any substantial alliance ever formed against us, we’re looking at mutually assured destruction.

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EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
STOP REPRODUCING

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Knightfox@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
WW3, that’s literally it. The rest of the world has done jack and shit about Russia and Ukraine beside sanctions and providing resources. People like to meme about Canada being badass, but they have such a small military presence that NATO has been upset with them for about 5 years for not doing their part. Outside of that there is no one in North or South America that can stand up to the US.

Africa isn’t doing much militarily. No one close to China is going to drop their guard to go after the US (Australia included since they have China breathing down their necks as well). That leaves Europe and the Middle East. The Middle East probably isn’t going to do much and if the US takes Venezuela’s oil then they need the Middle East even less.

Europe will probably spin wheels and denounce actions, but the important members of Europe are either 1.) part of NATO 2.) not prepared to defend themselves from Russia if they leave NATO. They can’t meaningfully sanction a military ally without breaking that alliance and once that alliance is officially broken NATO doesn’t have the US backing against Russia and also faces even more risk of Greenland or Canada being attacked by the US.

Best bet for stopping the US is Brazil, Russia, or China saying they will intervene for Venezuela, the EU and other NATO nations saying they won’t support the US, and then BRICS all jump in to fight the US. Maybe this weakens the US and BRICS effectively passes NATO but now Europe is sitting in the crosshairs for Russia.

Honestly, trying to go against the US is more likely to cause the Republican leaders to dislike European or international opinions even more. Republican’s have been complaining at home for 20 years about freeloading foreigners who spend their military budgets on lefty progressive ideas, foreigners complaining about US domestic policies, and all the while the US polices the world for them. It’s this sort of foreign attitude mixed with Russian and Chinese propaganda which has caused the US to drift further and further away from a positive relationship with Europe. Trying to go against the US is more likely to cause a Nazi & Stalin dividing up Poland situation rather than hurting the US.

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- Holytimes@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  If America is allowed to concentrate 100% of its military budget purely and ultimately for ourselves then everyone is fucked.
  
  A large part of the balance of the world really comes down to America has 50+ years of spreading it self thin.
  
  America going full ham on a proper war would not end well for anyone including the American people.
  
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harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The US has directly captured or supported the overthrow of multiple heads of state. Nobody has ever done anything and they won’t now.

Too many Americans are actually supportive of this so there won’t be any major domestic repercussions. Maybe some hearings in Congress.

America is not going to fix itself. The corruption is built in. For the last 50 years (roughly), the system has been changed to make the people dumb and complacent; to make the President a puppet king who answers to the wealthy.

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- KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  It’s good to hear from someone who understands the bigger problem. Trump isn’t a one-off outsider - he’s what the Republican Party has been transitioning to. The attacks on Venezuela, while outrageous on a global scale, is actually more in-line with prior Republican presidents than most of this first year of Trump-2.
  
  Bush Sr. did the same in deploying in the Middle East against Sadam Hussein, which Bernie Sanders notably called out. This was in 1991.
  
  For decades the USA has been transitioning to fascism. Our schools teach obedience and have been cutting back civics courses and high-level analysis. Our workers are exhausted and struggling to make ends meet, many now working several jobs (normalized via the term “side hustle”). The media landscape has been bought by billionaires and oligarchs. Our culture of consumerism keeps us pacified.
  
  I hate to be a doomer, which is all I’ve been for the last half-year, but time after time USAmericans have cobbled together sizable movements despite our disadvantages. Occupy Wall Street. The strong anti-war movement. Now the “No King’s Protests”. It’s not working and I don’t see how it will ever work. We have had massive protests, and our leaders laugh at us spit in our faces. They do not care. No amount of signaling our desires will make them care.
  
  Call me "radical or “accelerationist”
  
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KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
USAmericans have shown a complete inability to rise up against their government. This is not surprising given our crushing economic system, the fragility of our lives, and cultural landscape of the USA. At this point I believe Resistance has to come from outside the USA. This is unlikely due to the USA’s extensive nuclear arsenal.

I foresee the USA going the way of China and Russia, steadily oppressing its people, enriching its oligarchs, and occasionally creating problems for the world. Greenland may very well be the USA’s version of China constantly threatening to seize Taiwan.

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- postmateDumbass@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  No time to rebel, too many bills to pay.
  
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- knexcar@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  At last China is still capable of building infrastructure for the benefit of its citizens. I’m envious of their high speed rail network.
  
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- vga@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  USAmericans have shown a complete inability to rise up against their government.
  
  You realize, surely, that they chose the government.
  
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  - Soulg@ani.social ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    A minority did, yes
    
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  - Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Not even a little, the US has never been a democracy at all, or a particularly good representative republic
    
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givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
It might have already happened…

Capturing a foreign leader you’re not at war with like this is a huge fucking deal, but it hasn’t even been 24 hrs yet, we can’t act like there won’t be a response.

Not anything overt, but our election system is sloppy as fuck.

Why wouldn’t foreign governments start using all the loopholes to pay (relatively) nothing to limit his powers in midterms and get rid of him in the presidential? A couple million thru a PAC isn’t even really breaking any laws, and compared to the cost of the chaos from trump, it’s a no brainer decision.

It’s why turnout for primaries is so important. We have to ensure that the people who make it to the general are going to be good in office.

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- Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Friendly nations do not meddle in each others elections. Russia did because they are NOT a friendly nation, and to sow discourse. Israel does it also because they are not a friendly nation, they are focused 100% on their own agenda.
  Trump/MAGA has already intervened in elections in for instance EU, and that’s because USA is no longer a friendly nation to EU.
  But I seriously doubt most of USA’s traditional allies will meddle in USA’s election, because it’s just not something you do.
  
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  - ODGreen@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    If you play by the rules while your enemy doesn’t, you’ll be destroyed. Machiavelli said as much. So USA’s traditional allies have to start playing dirty to survive.
    
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  - humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    
    Friendly nations do not meddle in each others elections.
    
    A naive view. US has always promoted Atlanticist candidates, and has complete control over EU parliament appointees who are all pro NATO, and especially pro NATO subservience. That people view this as the will of the people, and the opposite, election interference is the greatest trick the devil ever pulled off.
    
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- Steve@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  You’re right this will (or should anyway) invite a major international response. But it won’t be attacking our elections.
  
  It’ll be in international politics and economics.
  Were I in charge of another nation, I’d immediately end all diplomatic ties with us. Deporting all US embassy/consolate staff and diplomats. Possibly even visa holders. I’d also end whatever exports my nation made to the US. Buying the goods from my nation’s companies myself. If my nations banks had any money of US nationals, it would be frozen.
  
  But that’s just me. We’ll see what they decide to do.
  
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  - Witchfire@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    The visa holders are often the people fleeing the US
    
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- ohulancutash@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  But who? The EU views Maduro as illegitimate, as does most of the US allies.
  
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Wigglesworth@retrolemmy.com ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Mother Nature: cracks knuckles “lemme in, coach”

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- Syndication@lemmy.today ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Yellowstone errupts
  
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Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
It’s a slow, ongoing process. The more the US tries to use force to make countries fall in line, the more people look to alternatives. Countries that used to be unaligned are looking at China and countries that used to be aligned with the US are looking at playing the field.

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- SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Yup. Sadly the US has handed the 21st century to China without a fight.
  
  I remember what some Hong Kong dude said to me once… “China is the future, and it’s a bleak future”.
  
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- UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  The more the US tries to use force to make countries fall in line, the more people look to alternatives.
  
  That’s never actually been true. US force bent the world after WW2, from the Years of Lead to the Jakarta Method. Vietnam is the exception that still proves the rule - we were doing profitable business with Vietnam barely twenty years after the last helicopter left Saigon. Similarly, we fully control the Sunni Triangle in the south of Iraq, we’ve flattened Libya, overthrown Syria, and we’re currently strangling Iran to death.
  
  The world has never been more beholden to the US than it is today. Trump hasn’t changed that. If anything, he’s accelerated it.
  
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  - Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
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    I’m not sure that iron fist strategy is working out so well. The US is clearly in a state of decline and the soft power it’s able to wield today is considerably less than it held in the past, because the right is high on their own supply and doesn’t understand that you need soft power in order to rule the world.
    
    While it’s true that the US was pretty brazen in invading Korea and Vietnam, it was also able to control the narrative better and did things either covertly or had some sort of pretense for it, and the postwar order also involved significant economic investment in places like Europe, Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan, all of which helped generate soft power.
    
    The world has never been more beholden to the US than it is today.
    
    I disagree. It was more beholden to the US during the 90’s and 00’s when it was the only real superpower. But it abused that status and that’s what allowed China to present itself as a more stable and reliable trading partner and thereby begin to challenge US hegemony. I don’t see how anyone can look at the world today and think that the US is more dominant than it was after the fall of the USSR or think that it won’t continue to lose ground to China in the foreseeable future.
    
    For every Venezuela, there’s a Colombia.
    
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MuskyMelon@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
To stop this immediate idiocy, Trump has to have a massive stroke, just enough to debilitate him but necessarily replace him. MAGA isn’t going to blindly follow Vance cause he’s got zero MAGA charisma. The GOP controlled Congress is going to be stuck between implementing 25A or not, cause if they remove Trump they’re committing political suicide.

So the best bet is for a lame duck government as a whole.

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muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Regimes like this only respond to incredible violence. They believe rules and laws and norms that don’t serve them don’t apply to them. All the systems designed to resist this bullshit are ignored completely because they just opt out of society’s rules while rewriting them on the fly to serve exclusively them.

This ends a couple of different ways. One is they encounter a bigger bully. They are all loyalists that cannot strategize, cooperate, and execute a plan. It’s yes men all the way down. So if someone powerful enough takes a swing, they don’t have the ability to respond. In this case, Canada invading the US with resources supplied by other nations concerned they are next makes the most sense. This administration wouldn’t be able to respond with anything other than tantrums online and on TV.

The other way this ends is letting them do whatever they want. They need an enemy to survive. Eventually they run out of enemies and have to invent new ones. We are already at that point. They divide the population up into good guys and bad guys and eliminate the bad guys, then they do it again, getting smaller and smaller each time until there’s no longer enough people left to sustain them. This is not the way we want as most of the US would have to die off for it to work but it is sort of the default mode of extinction for fascism.

The only method that works with fascists and results in the fewest casualties is incredible overwhelming violence. It’s been done before and worked because it was the best option, even if it’s still a terrible one.

But here’s where the propaganda machine protects the fascists. People are already ready for the incredible violence. The country is on a cliff edge right now. But we are so divided and dependent on TV and social media that we are told to attack eachother instead of the fascists. Most of us don’t want to do that.

So we wait for extinction.

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- rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  And they’re likely begging for the violence so they bourgeoisie can feed on the war machine.
  
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  - muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    They certainly have the resources but we have the numbers. Just wait a little longer for their failing propaganda machine to fuck this up.
    
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- Godric@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  Canada invade the US
  
  Stopped reading there, LMFAO! Say what you want about leadership, but the US military is still extremely effective, as proved a couple days ago. I don’t recall the last time I’ve ever read a dumber take, ~70k troops invading 1.5 million 😂
  
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  - muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    It’s not about whose military is better. Canada is right in our backyard with a very wide physical border with the United States. Your mistake is in assuming they are limited to exclusively using their military, who history has shown should not be underestimated.
    
    Nope!
    
    Consider that most of the world is very pissed at us right now and we pose a threat to literally all of them. Now all that land in Canada leaves a lot of room for foreign military bases to go up very quickly and there is fuck all the US can do about it.
    
    But sure, branding always decides the outcome of conflicts.
    
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Adderbox76@lemmy.ca ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
At this point, every single country should be embargoing the US. It’s well past that point that we cut them off from the world stage entirely economically.

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- brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  This stupid regime wants to spur domestic manufacturing. What better way to help than to cut us off?
  
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BoJackHorseman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
World leaders should:

Sell all US treasuries and buy gold instead

Stop using the Dollar to trade with countries not involving America, use Euro, Yuan or gold instead

Kick America from the SWIFT system or use an alternative system like China’s CIPS

Stop using US tech like Google, Mera reddit, X etc

Stop buying weapons from America

Sanction America, just like they sanctioned Russia.

China and Russia are already doing most of these. So they’re not afraid to raise their voice against America.

Japan and UK (both struggling economies) hold the highest amount of US debt. Third is China which is steadily selling.
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- WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Giving all power to China, would corrupt it almost instantly, and turn it into USA V2. I don’t recommend leaving all power in one country, if you want prosperity.
  
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  - bobo@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    
    Giving all power to China, would corrupt it almost instantly, and turn it into USA V2.
    
    China is already extremely corrupt, they’re simply using militarised corruption instead of a military to exploit developing countries.
    
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  - BoJackHorseman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Just like power has corrupted America, Britain and other European nations in the past.
    
    That’s why we’re going for a multi-polar world this time. No country’s currency will be the reserve currency. We can use Gold or bitcoin instead.
    
    I don’t want to give all power to China.
    
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SabinStargem@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Realistically, global trade drying up. Canada, Mexico, the EU, and others just refusing to do business with the US. Or possibly, making deals on a state-by-state basis, such as exchanging with California and New York, while ignoring Texas. By doing something like that, foreign nations can help prop up anti-conservative states, while bleeding conservatives lily white.

Mutual military agreements, such as retooling NATO to exclude the US and incorporating Canada, Mexico, and Taiwan might happen as well. The US has ceded their mutual exchange with Taiwan, other powers like India would like to have those chips. Maybe the EU outright allying with Ukraine, to remove Russia from play and to secure Ukraine’s grain, oil, and expertise on warfare.

…In short, it will be a couple decades of work to stop the Turdpublican agenda through diplomatic pressure. Probably around a decade if WW3 or a 2nd American Civil War happens.

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Darkness343@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Kidnap their leaders while they sleep

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heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
If other counties boycotted instead of caving into demands, that would have an influence.

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Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
It’ll take the politicians in other countries being willing to say no to bribes from US corporations.

Because the actions that need to be taken involve sanctions on the US and seizing the assets (including patents and trademarks) of US-owned corporations. And refusing to act as a tax haven for them anymore.

But that would benefit everyone while lessening the ability of politicians to enrich themselves with money from oil stolen from Venezuela and exploited from US citizens. Let’s see how noble your politicians are. We know ours are shit.

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UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I think losing an aircraft carrier would give the US serious pause. Outside that, no idea. Maybe we finally pull the trigger and nuke someone, and that scares the rest of the world enough to start actively sanctioning us. Maybe not, though.

It does seem like most of Europe, Canada, and East Asia are happy to be in the pocket of US financial interests. Even folks who don’t like Trump haven’t bothered to break away from JP Morgan or Goldman Sachs.

Nobody wants to risk fucking with the money of the global hegemon.

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BaraCoded@literature.cafe ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Unfortunately, nothing will happen, as nobody has done anything despite the Epstein files, the deportations and externalized concentration camps, the Capitol, the international bullying and racket, etc. Trump serves the interest of the filthy rich, is backed by tech nazies and other kind of moguls (and p3d0s) and commands the most powerful army in the world. His attack on Venezuela is even approved by libs. And even if Trump himself was somehow unalived, the entire system that allowed his rise to power would still be there. The ~~nazies~~ trumpists would still be there.

Better just declare the American hegemony dead and disengage from any form of partnership with the USA. At least, Trump has the merit of exposing the USA for what they truly are : an alienating, morally bankrupt nation and fascist empire.

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drmoose@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
My take is that US is already on massive decline. I’m not an american but I am a big fan of US and I’ve never seen US this weak even if you ignore how ugly it is under current leadership. I honestly don’t know how US will ever recover from this trump presidency and it seems like nothing but down hill from here.

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EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
What’s it going to take to truly stop Russia?

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laranis@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Time. A regime as dysfunctional as this can’t go on indefinitely… Like, it is physically impossible for it to think far enough ahead for it to be resilient enough to last. Unfortunately, a lot of good people will suffer before then.

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kreskin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
complete worldwide boycott of american products. America is run by oligarchs who only care about money. They’d fold overnight.

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tate@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
This isn’t the first time the US has done

“directly capturing a sovereign leader”

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