Submitted 2 weeks ago by handnutaschnitte@feddit.org to technology@lemmy.world
This generation of software companies really seem to have abandoned all previous goals for “Let’s see how shit we can make this!”
“Sir, if we can finish our robot it could help with any household chores and even take over most of the care work for the elderly. Then in future patches we could make it waterboard the user unless they get the waterboardless premium subscription. Then we’ll increase the cost and slowly reintroduce waterboarding even for subscribers.”
You are now VP of product development at Microsoft. Congratulations.
P.S. Get a bullet proof vest and car.
Doesn’t stop a homemade drone and a fragmentation payload. Or for that matter, a rigged car or location.
I detest this company for many reasons, it’s like they go out of their way to make dealing with them as painful as possible.
Here’s just one example I discovered today. I have a Windows 10 VM I needed to upgrade to 11 but the “PC Health Check” app says no, the i5 processor isn’t supported.
I can, however, create a new VM and install 11 on the exact same hardware, so that’s what I did, along with a whole bunch of extra work to get the new VM set up the same as the old Windows 10 VM was.
Why? Because fuck you, that’s why.
Assholes.
This is how i feel about 98% of Azure. Its just so needlessly complicated, with incomprehensible defaults, and out of date documentation, and APIs that just fail silently.
So much this. I actually pulled all of our servers from Azure and went back to a regular provider. Way cheaper as well.
There is a way to upgrade directly. I got this from Reddit
reddit.com/…/is_it_safe_to_install_windows_11_on_…
It works fine - you just won’t get the more advanced security features available in more recent laptops.
.\sources\setupprep.exe /product server
This will not actually install the server version of windows but will bypass the CPU check so that you can install Win11 on an unsupported CPU. The actual version of Windows installed will depend on the version of Win10 you have: Pro, Home, or Enterprise, for example.
Thank you for this. I already did a fresh install but it’s interesting that your link is to the Surface subreddit just to rub some more salt in the wound. The processor is officially supported for upgrades only if it’s in Microsoft’s hardware. I hate them so much.
You can also flash a usb stick with rufus, mint needs 4GB IIRC.
/j
Is that an upgrade or a fresh install?
Have you tried creating a new VM and attaching your existing vhdx or whatever to it?
I just went for a new installation. Why would that work? Just curious.
I have been very successful at ignoring Windows for quite some time.
I have tried out a bunch of Linux ones last year and I will be converting over my main PC at some point this year due to all the things they have done or want to do with Windows 11. I agree it’s very hard to ignore.
Debian + KDE has been rock solid, if you dont already have a favorite distro. KDE is just what you expect in a traditional desktop, it doesnt have a bunch of ui experiments to make things “better”.
The tech bros are turning everything to shit so you don’t notice any one thing is shit because it’s all shit now. Genius
Frankly I’ve never had any issues running Windows 11. It’s just the OS in the background for me. I think the biggest difference is I always run Enterprise versions (not Pro or Home) and most of that crap is either non-existent, disabled by default or easy to disable via GPO.
The big thing for people to realize is that Enterprise is the version most all businesses (especially large ones) run, and Microsoft isn’t going to crap on them as easily. And they know by extension, people will run what their business is, but they can get away with making Pro and Home crappier since it’s just individuals who would switch, not large swaths.
Pro and Home is where they test-market the worst of the garbage… some of it does make it into Enterprise - a surprising amount has gotten into Office 365 - but, yeah, not enough to make it completely dysfunctional.
My company (130,000 employees) sticks to 24H2. IT wouldn’t approve the 25H2. Don’t know whether the refusal to upgrade hurts Microsoft in any way, but if it does, I think we’re big enough to be on their radar, and perhaps they talk to our IT about concerns and complaints we may have.
This is the issue I have with people talking about how “you MUST always run the most up to date software”. They don’t understand that in large enterprise it is common for function and security to not update unless there is a damn good reason. The very idea that the newest version is the best is just marketing brainwashing and does not hold up to the reality of use.
So Microsoft is so diversified, 130K isn’t even a drop to them. We had almost 200K seats of E3 and when I calculated out the revenue from our EA vs their total revenue, it came up to something like 0.012%. Even though it was tens of millions of dollars on our end, we’re still a drop in the bucket to them.
I had a few issues with 25H2 on release, but they’re largely fixed now.
24H2 and 25H2 are the same thing, it’s just enabling a few different changes. But things like the new obnoxiously ugly start menu have started showing on my 24H2 machines so I don’t really know what the difference is.
Thank you! Lemmy is a bunch of people bitching about their brand name laptop running a garbage version of Windows and loaded with factor crapware.
Which is, by the way, totally ok. If you buy an expensive computer and it is getting shipped with a garbage version of an OS that is something to complain about. It’s also totally reasonable to complain that there is a garbage version at all. People shouldn’t need to reinstall their brand new computers with pirated enterprise versions to escape the abuses of Microsoft. At least let us bitch about this here, dude!
Are you upset at people criticizing Microsoft? Is that the point you are trying to make?
Lol its amazing how Noone in the real world knows that microsoft makes OS’s without all the enshitification shit in them that run decent, dont block features from being disabled, are all around non-infuriating piles of shit like the non-enterprise versions, charge an arm and a leg for it. Then microsoft (or at the same time didnt mean one before the other) releases versions facefucked full of enshitification shit they constantly break, these versions hold you down with an update pistol in your mouth that tells you inorder to live you will update every fucking shitstorm we tell you to, it rapes yo wife, rapes yo kids, ignores all bugs calling them features, all the while having a bomb strapped to their chest that says you dont accept everything we ruin of yours we blow your whole system sky high. And those versions they call Home and Pro versions.
How do you get this? My company has the Enterprise version, but when they forced me to switch to a new Windows 11 laptop (same model and specs as my old one which couldn’t be upgraded to Windows 11 for some reason), it came with all the crap in the article. Ads in the start menu and everything.
The new Start menu is also a significant improvement over the old one, with more icons on show, the ability to turn off Recommended ads, […]
Guys, we are allowed to disable the ads now. We might have been too harsh on microsoft after all.
…insanity, I tell you. Ads, in your face, right in the Start Menu, on your computer that you bought, on your OS that you bought.
Note that doesn’t disable ads. It just means the ads a user sees will be less relevant to the user based on their browsing history and consumer profiles.
Yup was gonna say the same thing.
They can be removed with third party tools but they shouldn’t be there in the first place.
I already thought it was pretty bad but that is somehow even worse. Par for the course I suppose
I switched to linux and i dual boot pop os windows now. I only use windows to configure things that has no linux support. Or when a game doesn’t work right after an update. Windows is truly bizzare if you haven’t used it for a bit. Like every time i clicked on the windows key, or sometimes, seemingly randomly when i opened a new windows, it opened the xbox game launcher, or whatever it’s called. I never installed it obviously. I couldn’t really find it, because i uninstalled everything that had the name xbox in it.i “had” to watch a video on how to disable something that i didn’t install and didn’t want in the first place.
And everywhere you go there’s prompts and alerts to upgrade your OneDrive storage or subscribe to Xbox game pass.
Don’t even get me started on the experience on handhelds. Microsoft’s attempts so far at the Xbox Full Screen experience convinces me they will never get it right.
They will shove ads into our faces at every possible opportunity. Ads work, they effectively brainwash you, the more you see, the better they do.
Ha! It’s 2026 now. Those problems can easily be ignored as they are all in the past.
I love the smell of pedantry in the morning
Windows 10 was the last Windows I'll use. Windows 7 was the last one I was happy with. Windows 98SE and XP, we had great times, didn't we? Miss you guys.
I miss the days of windows xp, that was middle school to early high school for me. It was around that time when I switched to mac.
Still have random memories of random windows stuff.
98 was not a great time. Illegal operations and blue screens as far as the eye could see. About the only good things were better networking and USB support.
SE wasn’t as bad at least.
illegal operation
Lol damn, haven’t seen that one in a while. Always used to make me chuckle
Fun fact: 7 was the last version MS produced under the injunction from the late 90s that prevented them from bundling required services with the OS. They actually had MS accounts (then called .NET Passports) ready to track activation and for login on XP but had to make them optional.
Consumers are what, less than 10% of MS’s revenue? Most of their income is from cloud (Azure, O365) so they can afford to treat their consumer customers like trash. They don’t give a shit about your 50-150 bucks for a win license because it’s peanuts to them.
The only viable option for consumers is to massively ditch MS products altogether and migrate to alternatives, which used to be in short supply but luckily aren’t anymore.
It’s probably less for OEMs, right? Most people don’t install their own OS, much less pay full price for a license.
I resisted getting 10, and finally acquiesced. When 11 was announced, I watched apprehensively from the side-lines, and finally decided it was time to dump Windows if I could. Fortunately, Linux is here, it’s great, and it just works, now.
An OS should do its job and disappear behind the programs (I’m purposely resisting saying “app” in favor of the old-school “program”, too). Linux does that, like Windows used to.
I do admit that I run Win10 IOT in VirtualBox for a few small programs that won’t run under Wine. Once a week, for a few minutes. I’m sorry. I don’t wear the shirt, because I feel like a fraud. Please forgive me.
You tried the usual tools, found they were insufficient, and subsequently made a workaround for your needs. That last bit alone is more enough. Most people stop at “It didn’t work” and give up saying computers are too hard.
I always say, if your problem looks like a nail and can be held like one, don’t force yourself to use a frozen chicken breast. Grab the hammer.
I do admit that I run Win10 IOT in VirtualBox for a few small programs that won’t run under Wine. Once a week, for a few minutes. I’m sorry. I don’t wear the shirt, because I feel like a fraud. Please forgive me.
Dude, virtualize all the things! In open source land, you run whatever code you want to because you can, and you don’t feel embarrassed about it.
First of all, don’t feel bad about it. That said if you want to improve yourself in the virtualization department and get rid of Oracle’s VirtualBox, I recommend having a look at virt-manager with KVM/Qemu as a VM host. It’s a bit more of initial setup but once this is done it works pretty much the same way as VirtualBox.
An application is for end user, a program is a set of instructions. All apps are programs but not all programs are apps ;)
I do admit that I run Win10 IOT in VirtualBox for a few small programs that won’t run under Wine.
I work in an ad agency and I have to use it, too, sometimes. Mainly for Adobe XD and Illustrator. I export their shitty proprietary formats to PDF and SVG, shut down the VM and continue working with native Linux tools.
One of the best feelings for me ever was when I cancelled my Micro$oft account after switching to Mint.
The freshness is real.
I like how taskbar buttons dynamically resize depending on window title. I like that the size of the buttons on the taskbar are all different, and I like not having a way to change this back to the boring obvious tried-and-true standard of having buttons that are all the same size.
I like that the rules appear to not make any fucking sense, leading to situations where you can have 3 entries for the same program with the same content open that are all different sizes.
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I like it because it takes me out of whatever I’m doing and forces me to notice the user interface. I like getting distracted by little hints of movement at the bottom of the screen that make me stop and go “wait what the fuck did it just do”.
I like that when I last searched for “windows 11 taskbar button resize disable”, the only mention of the word “disable” on the first page of search results was this:
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I like having to put “site:reddit.com” at the end of my search query before I can even begin to scratch the surface of the issue.
And I like having to ultimately give up and live with it because at the end of the day, it’s a feature and not a bug.
I like having to put “site:reddit.com” at the end of my search query before I can even begin to scratch the surface of the issue.
kagi.com solved this problem for me.
Why in the world do you have titles of the taskbar?!
Ungrouped buttons with titles is very efficient for me, too. I grew up with Windows 95 and my brain can handle this really well. I despise grouped buttons I have to hover over to see the actual windows and the icons only mode makes the clickable area too small and annoying to navigate to.
Visibility and accessibility of windows, without the need to expand a group or neutral icon.
Coz there are multiple windows and I don’t want to click and hunt for the one I want
Why wouldn’t you? It’s faster and more efficient.
I am really wondering this too. Seems like people just love making the user experience harder for themselves because “that’s what I grew up with”.
I’m starting to think Microsoft gives windows a new version number every time they want to make a bunch of big breaking changes, just so the bad reputation can die when they rebrand it as Windows 12 (or whatever stupid naming scheme their marketing team comes with next.)
I wouldn’t be surprised if they just started calling it Copilot at some point. I could see them renaming their “agents” after big feature updates, much like we do with hurricanes which would be fitting given their history of breaking things with each KB.
I’ve been a Windows user my whole life. I support 5000+ Windows devices along with the whole Microsoft enterprise suite. It’s been bad with them, but there have usually been patches at some point or at least community discovered workarounds. However, Microsoft’s reckless abandon into AI legitimately worries me.
I’m finally making the switch to Linux for personal devices.
Zac Bowden used to post a video for every single new insider build of Windows to cover any change he could, he’s bought the original Surface table from 2007, he’s been covering and championing all things Windows for at least a decade. To get someone like him off side, you really gotta be fucking the dog.
I am writing this from Windows 11. I stil haven’t solved my wacom tablet issues on Linux. I still have a drive with Nobara 42, but I can’t use it. When I have some free time, I will get to the bottom of it, and perhaps (finally) ditch the Windows.
The real issue is that they pulled Windows 10. When Vista was shit, you could use XP until 7 was released, when 8 was shit, you could use 7 until 10 was released. Now 11 is the only supported version and you have no choice if you’re for some reason stuck with Windows.
I know that linux is the popular answer to this problem.
I use a Mac and it’s a pretty good machine. I know it isn’t for everyone, but it works well enough for me and has enough mainstream support. As well the hardware has gotten ’ good enough’
MacOS is not hostile to me when I want to run and install programs. There is some opensource support on the platform and the a good amount of closed source programs.
I do miss the wide ranging PnP hardware support for things like SAS/LTO
Turns out, there were a lot of users, primarily gamers, who were considering giving Linux a chance. Microsoft gave them the push they needed.
for Windows fans
LOL what? windows “fans”?
apple fans, i get. but who tf is cheerleading for fucking windows, and NOT getting paid to do so?
Time for Nadella to take responsibility for these fuck ups and resign already.
Two possible ways to fix them permanently: Linux or Mac.
Some of the issues described in the article must be driving corporate IT departments insane. They thrive on consistent installations across machines. Having each one offering different features (even temporarily) is the opposite of that.
I’m not here to say get windows 11 but I did a fresh install several months ago when I got my 4090 off Facebook marketplace and I haven’t had a problem yet. I just use it for gaming and don’t really update my Nvidia drivers unless the hivemind says to. Idk that’s my experience I guess.
I don’t know if it’s funny or frustrating that everything people are complaining about with Windows 11 are the exact same things we were complaining about with every previous version of Windows from 95 to 10: lack of control, limited configuration and bugs. Yes, Linux was super raw and difficult back then but we still switched and worked hard to make it better. I think all the articles encouraging people to switch today are missing simple “Thank you”.
7 was good. 10s was okish.
11 and its forced online - account? No, thanks.
Its 10 LTSC for now. Laptop runs KDE just fine, it’s the lesser pain right now.
Luckily i keep not running into the issues, Its mostly the unwanted windows features that seem to irritate me (f off onedrive and copilot) I keep trying to swap but I found what im good at finally and it is bricking linux installs.
cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
I can ignore them just fine since I am no longer using Windows.
6nk06@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I haven’t used Windows for more than 10 years and I’m happy too.
I think it’s worth repeating that Ubuntu has been available since 2005 (20 years now) and from the start it filled the needs of most users at home (i.e. watching crap on YouTube and using LibreOffice). Most users I have seen around me only have basic requirements and should have switched decades ago.
TL;DR: if you complain about your computer nowadays and don’t play games, install Ubuntu or Mint or anything else, I don’t care anymore.
IndiBrony@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Even playing games on Linux is much better now thanks to Steam. Never a better time to change. I want my next phone to have Ubuntu Touch as well. Fuck the horrible Google/Apple ecosystem.
cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Since the rise of proton gaming is now absolutely viable on Linux as well. The exclusives use cases for Windows are disappearing fast.
RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
There is only a subset of Windows games left that does not run on Linux. Mostly games with kernelbased Anti-Cheat and a few other outliers. I’ve been gaming exclusively on Linux for years now. Have a look at the ProtonDB website to see if your favourite games are running on Linux
grue@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ve been playing games on [K]Ubuntu just for almost a decade now. There are no excuses, and haven’t been for a long time.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
You can play almost any game on Linux these days. Often runs better than on Windows
poopkins@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I know we’re all eager to rag on Windows, but can we not act as though Ubuntu is a flawless replacement?
My tech-savvy mother and software engineering spouse have both tried switching to Ubuntu but ultimately switched to Windows and ChromeOS because of the constant errors and unreliability of Ubuntu. Everything from ambiguous “problem detected” messages at startup to terrible video performance and a lack of basic functionality out of the box like DPI settings per display or clipboard history. Even the most basic interaction with display settings cause Ubuntu to go haywire.
I’m well aware that Ubuntu can be customized, but I wish I could say it’s designed for daily use by the same demographic as Windows or Mac. Unfortunately, it’s really not.
eleitl@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I’ve never used Windows - apart from new workplace requiring it. I largely not see it, unless corporate IT screws up.
frongt@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Even corporate IT suffers. At my job, we have to apply updates pretty quickly. If Microsoft pushes a bad update, it’ll probably affect a lot of us. Or when they add a new feature like Copilot, they ship it without any administrative controls to turn it off.
shalafi@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I can ignore it because I don’t have any of these issues. Haven’t read a single article in the last year or two that bitched about Windows problems I’ve seen IRL.