Windows 11’s 2025 problems are getting impossible to ignore
Submitted 10 hours ago by handnutaschnitte@feddit.org to technology@lemmy.world
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MattW03@lemmy.ca 2 hours ago
cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 10 hours ago
I can ignore them just fine since I am no longer using Windows.
6nk06@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
I haven’t used Windows for more than 10 years and I’m happy too.
I think it’s worth repeating that Ubuntu has been available since 2005 (20 years now) and from the start it filled the needs of most users at home (i.e. watching crap on YouTube and using LibreOffice). Most users I have seen around me only have basic requirements and should have switched decades ago.
TL;DR: if you complain about your computer nowadays and don’t play games, install Ubuntu or Mint or anything else, I don’t care anymore.
IndiBrony@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Even playing games on Linux is much better now thanks to Steam. Never a better time to change. I want my next phone to have Ubuntu Touch as well. Fuck the horrible Google/Apple ecosystem.
cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 9 hours ago
Since the rise of proton gaming is now absolutely viable on Linux as well. The exclusives use cases for Windows are disappearing fast.
RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
There is only a subset of Windows games left that does not run on Linux. Mostly games with kernelbased Anti-Cheat and a few other outliers. I’ve been gaming exclusively on Linux for years now. Have a look at the ProtonDB website to see if your favourite games are running on Linux
grue@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I’ve been playing games on [K]Ubuntu just for almost a decade now. There are no excuses, and haven’t been for a long time.
eleitl@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
I’ve never used Windows - apart from new workplace requiring it. I largely not see it, unless corporate IT screws up.
frongt@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
Even corporate IT suffers. At my job, we have to apply updates pretty quickly. If Microsoft pushes a bad update, it’ll probably affect a lot of us. Or when they add a new feature like Copilot, they ship it without any administrative controls to turn it off.
shalafi@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I can ignore it because I don’t have any of these issues. Haven’t read a single article in the last year or two that bitched about Windows problems I’ve seen IRL.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 hour ago
I don’t know if it’s funny or frustrating that everything people are complaining about with Windows 11 are the exact same things we were complaining about with every previous version of Windows from 95 to 10: lack of control, limited configuration and bugs. Yes, Linux was super raw and difficult back then but we still switched and worked hard to make it better. I think all the articles encouraging people to switch today are missing simple “Thank you”.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
The difference is more dramatic now, though. Linux isn’t so finicky, largely thanks to hard work but also to Windows’ feature stagnation, meaning they aren’t a “few years behind” like before.
Meanwhile, users subconsciously ignores a lot of this with 95, Vista, 8, whatever. But that’s much harder to do now.
adavis@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
But the comparison is different now, Linux on the desktop is better and Windows is worse.
For example, if you turn off a bunch of telemetry options instead of stopping sending data it stops collecting it. That sounds subtle but it matters. It breaks functionality that has existed for >20 years, simple things like remembering what the last command was in the run dialogue when you open it.
IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.wtf 4 hours ago
I detest this company for many reasons, it’s like they go out of their way to make dealing with them as painful as possible.
Here’s just one example I discovered today. I have a Windows 10 VM I needed to upgrade to 11 but the “PC Health Check” app says no, the i5 processor isn’t supported.
I can, however, create a new VM and install 11 on the exact same hardware, so that’s what I did, along with a whole bunch of extra work to get the new VM set up the same as the old Windows 10 VM was.
Why? Because fuck you, that’s why.
Assholes.
TBi@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
There is a way to upgrade directly. I got this from Reddit
reddit.com/…/is_it_safe_to_install_windows_11_on_…
It works fine - you just won’t get the more advanced security features available in more recent laptops.
- Boot up into Windows 10
- ensure you have 30GB free space
- Download the .iso: www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows11
- right-click the .iso and select “mount” to create a virtual DVDROM
- create a new folder on your main system drive and copy all the files from the virtual DVDROM
- start a command-prompt
- navigate to the folder where you copied all the files
- run the following:
.\sources\setupprep.exe /product server
This will not actually install the server version of windows but will bypass the CPU check so that you can install Win11 on an unsupported CPU. The actual version of Windows installed will depend on the version of Win10 you have: Pro, Home, or Enterprise, for example.
IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.wtf 52 minutes ago
Thank you for this. I already did a fresh install but it’s interesting that your link is to the Surface subreddit just to rub some more salt in the wound. The processor is officially supported for upgrades only if it’s in Microsoft’s hardware. I hate them so much.
bagsy@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
This is how i feel about 98% of Azure. Its just so needlessly complicated, with incomprehensible defaults, and out of date documentation, and APIs that just fail silently.
hdsrob@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
So much this. I actually pulled all of our servers from Azure and went back to a regular provider. Way cheaper as well.
worhui@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
I know that linux is the popular answer to this problem.
I use a Mac and it’s a pretty good machine. I know it isn’t for everyone, but it works well enough for me and has enough mainstream support. As well the hardware has gotten ’ good enough’
MacOS is not hostile to me when I want to run and install programs. There is some opensource support on the platform and the a good amount of closed source programs.
I do miss the wide ranging PnP hardware support for things like SAS/LTO
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 1 hour ago
I think it’s not hard to understand how MacOS is easily better than Windows. I don’t think Apple is enshittifying quite as fast as Microsoft, if at all.
justsomeguy@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
This generation of software companies really seem to have abandoned all previous goals for “Let’s see how shit we can make this!”
“Sir, if we can finish our robot it could help with any household chores and even take over most of the care work for the elderly. Then in future patches we could make it waterboard the user unless they get the waterboardless premium subscription. Then we’ll increase the cost and slowly reintroduce waterboarding even for subscribers.”
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
You are now VP of product development at Microsoft. Congratulations.
P.S. Get a bullet proof vest and car.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 hours ago
Doesn’t stop a homemade drone and a fragmentation payload. Or for that matter, a rigged car or location.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I have been very successful at ignoring Windows for quite some time.
ramble81@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
Frankly I’ve never had any issues running Windows 11. It’s just the OS in the background for me. I think the biggest difference is I always run Enterprise versions (not Pro or Home) and most of that crap is either non-existent, disabled by default or easy to disable via GPO.
The big thing for people to realize is that Enterprise is the version most all businesses (especially large ones) run, and Microsoft isn’t going to crap on them as easily. And they know by extension, people will run what their business is, but they can get away with making Pro and Home crappier since it’s just individuals who would switch, not large swaths.
MangoCats@feddit.it 3 hours ago
Pro and Home is where they test-market the worst of the garbage… some of it does make it into Enterprise - a surprising amount has gotten into Office 365 - but, yeah, not enough to make it completely dysfunctional.
Bruncvik@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
My company (130,000 employees) sticks to 24H2. IT wouldn’t approve the 25H2. Don’t know whether the refusal to upgrade hurts Microsoft in any way, but if it does, I think we’re big enough to be on their radar, and perhaps they talk to our IT about concerns and complaints we may have.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 hour ago
I had a few issues with 25H2 on release, but they’re largely fixed now.
24H2 and 25H2 are the same thing, it’s just enabling a few different changes. But things like the new obnoxiously ugly start menu have started showing on my 24H2 machines so I don’t really know what the difference is.
ramble81@lemmy.zip 2 hours ago
So Microsoft is so diversified, 130K isn’t even a drop to them. We had almost 200K seats of E3 and when I calculated out the revenue from our EA vs their total revenue, it came up to something like 0.012%. Even though it was tens of millions of dollars on our end, we’re still a drop in the bucket to them.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 4 hours ago
This is the issue I have with people talking about how “you MUST always run the most up to date software”. They don’t understand that in large enterprise it is common for function and security to not update unless there is a damn good reason. The very idea that the newest version is the best is just marketing brainwashing and does not hold up to the reality of use.
11111one11111@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Lol its amazing how Noone in the real world knows that microsoft makes OS’s without all the enshitification shit in them that run decent, dont block features from being disabled, are all around non-infuriating piles of shit like the non-enterprise versions, charge an arm and a leg for it. Then microsoft (or at the same time didnt mean one before the other) releases versions facefucked full of enshitification shit they constantly break, these versions hold you down with an update pistol in your mouth that tells you inorder to live you will update every fucking shitstorm we tell you to, it rapes yo wife, rapes yo kids, ignores all bugs calling them features, all the while having a bomb strapped to their chest that says you dont accept everything we ruin of yours we blow your whole system sky high. And those versions they call Home and Pro versions.
shalafi@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Thank you! Lemmy is a bunch of people bitching about their brand name laptop running a garbage version of Windows and loaded with factor crapware.
Lfrith@lemmy.ca 45 minutes ago
Are you upset at people criticizing Microsoft? Is that the point you are trying to make?
JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 6 hours ago
Which is, by the way, totally ok. If you buy an expensive computer and it is getting shipped with a garbage version of an OS that is something to complain about. It’s also totally reasonable to complain that there is a garbage version at all. People shouldn’t need to reinstall their brand new computers with pirated enterprise versions to escape the abuses of Microsoft. At least let us bitch about this here, dude!
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
Ha! It’s 2026 now. Those problems can easily be ignored as they are all in the past.
PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 6 hours ago
I love the smell of pedantry in the morning
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 hour ago
Is there real time support communities around wine? I have some software that doesn’t work. (X-tool Studio, not yet in WineHQ).
daggermoon@lemmy.world 14 minutes ago
Wine is honestly shit for most things outside of gaming. It looks like it works in Wine though.
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 12 minutes ago
Unfortunately that is the previous iteration of the Xtool software
elfin8er@lemmy.world 38 minutes ago
It looks like winehq has a few IRC channels. Never tried any of them myself though: gitlab.winehq.org/wine/wine/-/wikis/IRC
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
If Windows crosses a the threshold of “bug OEMs start shipping Linux,” what happens to windowscentral?
Do they split the staff to linuxcentral? Winecentral?
TheLastOfHisName@piefed.social 7 hours ago
One of the best feelings for me ever was when I cancelled my Micro$oft account after switching to Mint.
The freshness is real.
lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 hours ago
I like how taskbar buttons dynamically resize depending on window title. I like that the size of the buttons on the taskbar are all different, and I like not having a way to change this back to the boring obvious tried-and-true standard of having buttons that are all the same size.
I like that the rules appear to not make any fucking sense, leading to situations where you can have 3 entries for the same program with the same content open that are all different sizes.
ImageI like it because it takes me out of whatever I’m doing and forces me to notice the user interface. I like getting distracted by little hints of movement at the bottom of the screen that make me stop and go “wait what the fuck did it just do”.
I like that when I last searched for “windows 11 taskbar button resize disable”, the only mention of the word “disable” on the first page of search results was this:
ImageI like having to put “site:reddit.com” at the end of my search query before I can even begin to scratch the surface of the issue.
And I like having to ultimately give up and live with it because at the end of the day, it’s a feature and not a bug.
lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de 4 hours ago
I like having to put “site:reddit.com” at the end of my search query before I can even begin to scratch the surface of the issue.
kagi.com solved this problem for me.
shalafi@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Why in the world do you have titles of the taskbar?!
lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de 4 hours ago
Ungrouped buttons with titles is very efficient for me, too. I grew up with Windows 95 and my brain can handle this really well. I despise grouped buttons I have to hover over to see the actual windows and the icons only mode makes the clickable area too small and annoying to navigate to.
Kissaki@feddit.org 4 hours ago
Visibility and accessibility of windows, without the need to expand a group or neutral icon.
MBech@feddit.dk 3 hours ago
I am really wondering this too. Seems like people just love making the user experience harder for themselves because “that’s what I grew up with”.
HeyJoe@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I have tried out a bunch of Linux ones last year and I will be converting over my main PC at some point this year due to all the things they have done or want to do with Windows 11. I agree it’s very hard to ignore.
bagsy@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Debian + KDE has been rock solid, if you dont already have a favorite distro. KDE is just what you expect in a traditional desktop, it doesnt have a bunch of ui experiments to make things “better”.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 4 hours ago
And looking like they are impossible to solve. It seems that the OS is more and more a black box of vibe coding and marketing wank as time passes.
Daveyborn@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Luckily i keep not running into the issues, Its mostly the unwanted windows features that seem to irritate me (f off onedrive and copilot) I keep trying to swap but I found what im good at finally and it is bricking linux installs.
Lfrith@lemmy.ca 48 minutes ago
Switch to Windows LTSC. Doesn’t have copilot, no store, no onedrive, no candy crush and tiktok on a fresh install, and no need to figure out an account bypass.
Its the closest thing to what Windows was up to Windows 7 of a boring OS that you use to launch programs without it trying to be helpful or encourage you to login to an account.
goatinspace@feddit.org 7 hours ago
Hadriscus@jlai.lu 8 hours ago
I am writing this from Windows 11. I stil haven’t solved my wacom tablet issues on Linux. I still have a drive with Nobara 42, but I can’t use it. When I have some free time, I will get to the bottom of it, and perhaps (finally) ditch the Windows.
101720@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
i’m using KDA plasma six with fedora. My wacom intous works great. I can’t remember if I installed a driver or just used what was in the OS but either way it was pretty simple.
Hadriscus@jlai.lu 3 hours ago
I have had feedback from another person on another forum saying they don’t have any issues either. Do you mind sharing your tablet model name, and any details you think might be relevant to this ? for instance mine is PTH-660, the one from 2024 that does touch as well (although I generally keep it off). Perhaps the distro details are important too, but tbf I’ve had the exact same issues with every distro I’ve tried : CachyOS, Nobara 42, Debian Trixie… it’s also only with Wayland, X11 works fine (but has other limitations regarding multimonitor that are problematic).
Socket462@feddit.it 6 hours ago
For me it is the displaylink dock driver which consume all the CPU in Ubuntu and Fedora. When that will sorted out, but I doubt it will happen anytime soon, I will finally ditch Windows.
Hadriscus@jlai.lu 4 hours ago
I’m not sure what this is. DDG shows me things that look like port hubs ? but for displays ? I haven’t kept up with the times
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I resisted getting 10, and finally acquiesced. When 11 was announced, I watched apprehensively from the side-lines, and finally decided it was time to dump Windows if I could. Fortunately, Linux is here, it’s great, and it just works, now.
An OS should do its job and disappear behind the programs (I’m purposely resisting saying “app” in favor of the old-school “program”, too). Linux does that, like Windows used to.
I do admit that I run Win10 IOT in VirtualBox for a few small programs that won’t run under Wine. Once a week, for a few minutes. I’m sorry. I don’t wear the shirt, because I feel like a fraud. Please forgive me.
shininghero@pawb.social 9 hours ago
You tried the usual tools, found they were insufficient, and subsequently made a workaround for your needs. That last bit alone is more enough. Most people stop at “It didn’t work” and give up saying computers are too hard.
I always say, if your problem looks like a nail and can be held like one, don’t force yourself to use a frozen chicken breast. Grab the hammer.
RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works 5 hours ago
First of all, don’t feel bad about it. That said if you want to improve yourself in the virtualization department and get rid of Oracle’s VirtualBox, I recommend having a look at virt-manager with KVM/Qemu as a VM host. It’s a bit more of initial setup but once this is done it works pretty much the same way as VirtualBox.
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 9 hours ago
I do admit that I run Win10 IOT in VirtualBox for a few small programs that won’t run under Wine. Once a week, for a few minutes. I’m sorry. I don’t wear the shirt, because I feel like a fraud. Please forgive me.
Dude, virtualize all the things! In open source land, you run whatever code you want to because you can, and you don’t feel embarrassed about it.
lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de 3 hours ago
I do admit that I run Win10 IOT in VirtualBox for a few small programs that won’t run under Wine.
I work in an ad agency and I have to use it, too, sometimes. Mainly for Adobe XD and Illustrator. I export their shitty proprietary formats to PDF and SVG, shut down the VM and continue working with native Linux tools.
Rhaedas@fedia.io 10 hours ago
Windows 10 was the last Windows I'll use. Windows 7 was the last one I was happy with. Windows 98SE and XP, we had great times, didn't we? Miss you guys.
frongt@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
98 was not a great time. Illegal operations and blue screens as far as the eye could see. About the only good things were better networking and USB support.
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 hours ago
SE wasn’t as bad at least.
neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 hours ago
I miss the days of windows xp, that was middle school to early high school for me. It was around that time when I switched to mac.
Still have random memories of random windows stuff.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
Fun fact: 7 was the last version MS produced under the injunction from the late 90s that prevented them from bundling required services with the OS. They actually had MS accounts (then called .NET Passports) ready to track activation and for login on XP but had to make them optional.
TomMasz@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Some of the issues described in the article must be driving corporate IT departments insane. They thrive on consistent installations across machines. Having each one offering different features (even temporarily) is the opposite of that.
rmuk@feddit.uk 3 hours ago
Any IT department worth their salt will have solved this problem years ago. It’s hard to explain if you’ve never managed Windows in an enterprise setting but there’s a reason that profit-hungry corporations all use Windows. Here’s the full process for getting any Windows laptop to work perfectly:
- unbox the laptop and turn it on
- insert the USB key with the provisioning package
- wait about two seconds for Windows to tell you to remove the USB key.
- go to lunch
If they have a channel supplier that offers ‘white glove’ service they don’t even need to do that and they can even have brand new laptops drop-shipped to a user at home without ever needing to touch it. And if that laptop fucks up down the line it can just be wiped and as soon as Windows connects to the Internet it can automatically re-enrol itself into the organisation’s management system.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 hours ago
With PXE boot you don’t even need a USB. Boot into the imaging “OS” over the network.
My workplace has a couple of dedicated network switches on a dedicated “imaging” VLAN in the hardware room, that way normal users can’t accidentally reimage their own machine. I think the desktop guys can get 32 going at once, and the complete automated setup time for one is like 40 minutes.
1984@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
I ignore them from Linux land. :)
U7826391786239@lemmy.zip 9 hours ago
for Windows fans
LOL what? windows “fans”?
apple fans, i get. but who tf is cheerleading for fucking windows, and NOT getting paid to do so?
MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 9 hours ago
Two possible ways to fix them permanently: Linux or Mac.
GaryGhost@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Why are the windows updates always so massive and resource intensive
probable_possum@leminal.space 8 hours ago
7 was good. 10s was okish.
11 and its forced online - account? No, thanks.Its 10 LTSC for now. Laptop runs KDE just fine, it’s the lesser pain right now.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 9 hours ago
I was there since the first dos and windows emerged. I was a MS-enthusiast. Kinda. I have all titles and certificates MS offers, just for fun. I know what I’m doing.
I hated 95, I hated vista, I hated win8…but 11? The only good thing is HDR and…err…yes. Everything else pisses me off so much. And wouldn’t it be due to aggressive anti-cheats I probably would’ve mained Linux and would just have the servers for the domain. I have 18 machines running and 15 are Linux already.
I don’t understand why they have to fuck up so badly. The horrible crappy “new” Startmenu alone gives me STDs. Would be even survivable if they gave me the option to not use it. I absolutely despise changes I have to gulp down without options.
Even the server versions…I loved winnt and everything up to 2019. Then that went downhill too.
Ah, who cares. Win12 will be decent again, win13 the absolute total nightmare garbage that makes you long for having win11 back and will probably be the end of microsoft’s consumer market. So stupid fucking apple can take over the last remaining sheeples.
leavemealone@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
I am not Linux savvy at all but I was ready to switch for me gaming pc.
Well I actually did for a month with nobara, which was great. What shocked me was it seemed much more modern than windows ! It took me some time to get how things worked and I could do everything I wanted with no command line. I still think it can be hard to get started at first to install some windows games/programs not on steam(everything is fantastic on that part), it could use a tutorial for newcomers… But overall, fantastic experience.
Until I tried to use my thrustmaster wheel and I had problems (and I am not the only one it seems). Apart from that (didn’t try to use my flight stick or VR headset yet but maybe it could have been problematic too) it was absolutely great. I went back to win11 for now but with a very barebone ltsc version (no win store, no game bar, no ai, and no online account). It’s far from perfect and I’d rather be on Linux as I think it will be better in the long term.
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 7 hours ago
Been pretty happy with Linux for the past year or two.
A few minor problems here and there. I was struggling to figure out how to adjust the screen brightness (pop!_os defaults). Found a command line tool to adjust gamma - my girlfriend was a little baffled. Then I realized I should just adjust the brightness on the display itself, on the hardware.
Surp@lemmy.world 6 minutes ago
I’m not here to say get windows 11 but I did a fresh install several months ago when I got my 4090 off Facebook marketplace and I haven’t had a problem yet. I just use it for gaming and don’t really update my Nvidia drivers unless the hivemind says to. Idk that’s my experience I guess.