Reminder that, per Wikipedia, aflatoxins - the poisons in molds - “are among the most carcinogenic substances known.”
Furthermore, aflatoxin B~1~ can permeate through the skin and its LD~50~ can be as low as 300 µg/kg.
Bread mold
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PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
fishsayhelo@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
not all moulds though, it should be noted
zedgeist@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What is this, some mycologistic hate speech?
SpongyAneurysm@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
#notallmoulds
verdi@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
300 migs per kig? Shit, I’ll roll the dice on that old manchego slice, I’m a fat cunt.
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Are you using “mig” as milligram or microgram? For that to be a term you’d use, I assume you recognize you’re responding to a quantity in micrograms.
nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
What are you talking about 300 Russian fighter jets per 1024 gram? I’m lost!
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Which would mean 30 mg of aflatoxin, which would mean eating only out of a bakery dumpster for a year.
Nothing will happen if you eat moldy bread.
marcos@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s a conversation I’ve had more than once with my parents:
– Doing X is fine! Everybody did it in my time and we grew up just fine!
– Didn’t that friend of yours die because of it?
– Yeah, but he’s only a single person, and everybody did X…
Psythik@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Anytime I hear this argument from someone, I tell them to go look up the term, “survivorship bias”.
ICastFist@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
I mean we figured this shit out during WWI
I guess they forgot to teach that in classes since then
58008@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Food is so weird. Bread becomes toxic waste after 8 minutes of being opened, but there’s probably some cheese species that gets fermented up the asshole of a mountain llama for 6 months, being stuffed back in after every bowel movement, and is still edible (if you’re into that sort of thing) after 400 years of being left in a dank cave amongst the frothing remains of a rotting gerbil cemetery.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
There’s a reindeer cheese that is considered a delicacy that has actual maggots in it. Another orange cheese that has fucking mites! I don’t mind my stinky cheese, but I’m not eating anything moving.
WeirdyTrip@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Casu marzu, “rotten cheese”, NSFL. This is sheep’s milk, not reindeer, but still. Horrifying.
BanMe@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Cheese is weird because someone had to be like, well let’s go ahead and store some milk in the stomach of an animal, but also they forgot about it under a chair for 3 months and then, upon finding it, thought, “well let’s have a go anyway, despite it changing forms.” And then eventually someone realized if you stuck it in certain caves it became delicious. So much human history just in that one food product there.
axx@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
I think one theory is that it was central Asian horse-riding societies who started carrying milk on horseback, in saddlebags made out of animal bladders. The motion of the riding and the rennet left in the bladders churned the milk and turned it into cheese.
I remember also reading on a science magazine’s site this possibility that the first cheese made by humans was more of yeast-based preparation, without animal milk, but i can’t find the article mentioning that anymore.
flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
You beautiful bastard that was wonderful!
greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
So I can’t actually find anything from a quick search that tells me what “bread poisoning” is. Searches show results for both moldy bread as well as ergotism. Just about every source on the Internet tells me that eating a bunch of moldy bread should just give you a bad case of shits or vomits. But if someone is immunocompromised or has gut issues it could be worse.
But if this was ergot poisoning that’s different and doesn’t have much to do with ordinary bread mold.
filcuk@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I have read that mold can be dangerous because it can cause cumulative damage in the body over time.
I don’t have a source, hopefully I’m not regurgitating some bs.sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Maybe he keeled over to vom
Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 2 weeks ago
There are some highly toxic species of mold, although they are much rarer than ordinary mold.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
aspergillus niger, hast the aflaxtoxin.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Saint Anthony’s fire, causes hallucinations!
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
But grampa was such a fungi
kandoh@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Only if you saw him spore-adically
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I’ll never forget him and his pet mole “dee”
tetris11@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
he was somewhat un-bear-able
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
But cutting around the mold on cheese is fine, right? Right???
Triumph@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
Hard cheeses, yes, if you cut well around it. Soft cheeses, not so much. This, of course, only applies to mold that the cheese grew after you bought it, and not any from its curing. How do you tell the difference? Devilish rhinoceros.
MBech@feddit.dk 2 weeks ago
How do you tell the difference?
From experience. I once ate a big bite of Roquefort with the wrong mold…
danc4498@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Just eat American cheese. That doesn’t mold cause it’s plastic.
dontsayaword@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
American Cheese is a processed mix of cheeses like Colby and Cheddar, and is great.
Kraft American “Cheese Product” is the square sliced “plastic” one people think of.
slothrop@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
The fact remains that nothing beats bologna and plastic cheese on wonder bread. (mustard/mayo/whatever)
foo@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
I also suspect that Doritos dipping cheese is closer to a fossil fuel than a dairy product. I still eat it though.
MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
The sodium citrate is a good preservative and is responsible for some of that sour flavor
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Norbert from angry beavers begs to differ.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 2 weeks ago
bert_brause@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Username checks out!
BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
It depends on the cheese, sometime the mold is the cheese.
Like Roquefort, it literally use moldy bread as a starter.
The process of making Roquefort starts by adding mold on rye bread, let the mold develop before blending the bread and mixing it into the raw milk.
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m talking the cheddar that’s been in the fridge too long and has some spots on one end. I just cut it off a generous portion and still eat it anyway unless the cheese itself tastes badly of mold
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Okay, but how many times did he not keel over?
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
And how mouldy was it, sounds like this guy was just eating the entire thing. Not just cutting the visible bit off. Dosage is an important factor in poisoning. Small quantities of cyanide are completely fine to consume.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nice! Brb.
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
Some of those times, he probably ingested enough ergot alkaloids to see God.
Avicenna@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
how do we even know it was the bread? maybe it was vaccine poisoning
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Wait, I had three vaccines for breakfast? Should I be worried?
Rhoeri@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This person maths.
InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
That’s life living with a human garbage disposal. They will eat anything. They’ll acknowledge the five second rule only in so much as it’s their inside joke when they eat a chunk of cake that fell on the floor at least 20 minutes earlier and miraculously escaped the canine detection system. It’s bizarre having to justify throwing away 30 cents worth of cookies that were molded because “I would have still eaten them just not the moldy parts.” but that and similar conversations are being had regularly.
LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 2 weeks ago
I would have still eaten them just not the moldy parts
Do they know the hyphae extends past where it’s visibly moldy
chgxvjh@hexbear.net 2 weeks ago
Real mold enjoyers can tell by taste when they get to the moldy parts.
Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
If you can see mold on part of bread that's wrapped up, that means there's probably microscopic growth that's already spread past the part you see to other sections. Cutting the big part won't help you. The whole thing needs to go, it's contaminated.
Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 2 weeks ago
Can’t I stab the mold to kill it and then eat it? If that worked for what’s in the sandwich then I fail to see why it wouldn’t work for the mold
fox@hexbear.net 2 weeks ago
You could kill the mold but the problem is that the mold produces poisons
Zorcron@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
You can stab it, but the problem is that you can’t kill it in a way that matters.
nfamwap@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Oh, I’ve been cutting the visible mold off for years. Same applies to things like jam (jelly). Spoon out the mouldy bit, then crack on.
Should I be ded?
gnutrino@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
You actually died 6 years ago, this is purgatory.
jballs@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Shit that actually makes a lot of sense
AppearanceBoring9229@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The rule is that if its soft food as bread or jelly, its all compromised and should be thrown. If its hard like cheese, you can cut the mold and consume since the mold probably didn’t get that far inside
sartalon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I eat moldy cheese all the time!
But I imagine bleu cheese mold doesn’t have the toxins these other types do.
Nighed@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
I thought that jams were so sugary it was probably fine?
Flamekebab@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Whilst I don’t eat mouldy bread intentionally (as in, it will have happened without me noticing on occasion) what’s the actual potentially bad thing that happens if one does? Specifically?
bluebadoo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Penicillin is one of many types of bread mould.
I too will probably die from bread mould poisoning given my stingy habits with food waste. It’s fine if it’s only the white/blue type, right?
RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Cut away a generous part around a mould spot, inspect crossection. Looks good? Smells good? Then it’s edible. Mould is everywhere all the time. If you can see it or smell it, don’t eat.
If you are worried about the mould and microorganisms you can’t see, then you will have to eat everything right out of the oven, made with fresly ground flour.
prettybunnys@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Grandpa was just hoping for some psychoactive mold
tfed@infosec.exchange 2 weeks ago
@fossilesque penicilin lol 💀
Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 2 weeks ago
bread poisoning
Oof, I remember someone once sticking a piece of bread in my sandwich in an attempt to harm me
Thankfully someone had the antidote for bread and I was fine
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Actually… if you put moldy bread into soup, does it become safe?
My grandma used to throw all for moldy food into soup and she loved into her 80s completely healthy.
crystaline_porpoise@hexbear.net 2 weeks ago
what a badass
MrErr@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Glad to still be alive … Yes, i was one of those who ate around it!
moonshadow@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
The nose knows, I’m pretty sure this is what it’s for
brap@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well shit, that guy at work was right.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
some assholes say that we’re risk averse.
dumb fuck assholes who think the risk of dying from food poisoning is worth it just to look tough.
MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I’m just sad because no one will get my santaroga barrier reference, it’s just something you have to feel.
Fizz@lemmy.nz 2 weeks ago
I’m not a scientist. Is there any reason not to just eat it if its only a little bit of mould? I see so many people freak out. Bro just eat it you won’t even taste the mould over the peanut butter. Or if you’re really worried you can toast it which kills all the mould probably.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Even if penicillin, it tastes awful, and if you don’t need penicillin does it actually help you at all?
I bit bread like this once and I can still vividly taste it.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 2 weeks ago
I guess it could help kill your gut bacteria.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Hurray, diarrhea!
caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Very handy for when you’re carrying something that would kill one hemisphere and blind the other
logicbomb@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No, it has virtually no chance to help you, and most probably can only hurt you.
First, it kills indiscriminately. If you’re not sick, what are you killing? Your own healthy gut flora. That’s what.
Second, what if you are slightly ill? Guess what? It still probably won’t help. Doctors don’t just throw penicillin at you in random amounts. They prescribe a specific dose that has been shown to be effective. Having one untested dose of unknown quantity isn’t going to help.
Third, when you’re given antibiotics, you are told to take it over a number of days, and to take the entire amount, even if you feel better. They do this for several reasons, but one of the reasons is that, if you only kill some of the bacteria, but not enough of them, the remaining bacteria have a small chance to evolve to become resistant to antibiotics. By taking antibiotics without the guidance of a doctor, you have a small chance of making yourself even more ill with antibiotic-resistant bacteria. I want to emphasize that this is a very small chance, but unlikely things will happen when given enough chances.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I ate moldy bread by accident once. Didn’t see the side with the mold until after I made the sandwich, I was also high. That one time and tiny amount was one of the most horrible things I’ve put in my mouth. Spit it out immediately and had PTSD about moldy bread ever since. If I see a tiny bit forming that shit is not going near my mouth, the whole bag is gone.
Really don’t understand how anyone could “eat around it” or even eat other slices in the pack. Bread is really cheap, just throw it away. Don’t play Russian roulette with foods.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well, that’s how it’s supposed to be done. Since mold is a fungus, what shows up on the surface is the reproductive parts that spawn spores, meaning the rest of the bread probably has mold too.
MunkyNutts@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Tasted kind of limey with a subtle hint of grandma dustiness to me when I ate a slice without looking at it, I now thoroughly check the entire surface.
SolarMonkey@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
I’ve accidentally eaten various kinds of mold several dozen times in my life, and in some cases I could barely tell. Slightly dirt flavor. That’s the dangerous mold.
I was also in my 30s when I found out some people don’t know what mildew smells like. They know the sour smell in clothes, but don’t realize it’s mildew. My partner was one such person, and they -still- don’t care but that smell drives me bonkers.
Unrelated because I didn’t eat them, but it reminded me of the time I made cookies (specifically Russian tea cookies, aka snowballs) and put them directly in the freezer without letting them dry out, and it was humid enough in the container that months later when I went to eat one, they had tiny adorable mushrooms on them.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Penicillin is pretty useless these days, all bacteria are resistant l