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this is fucking AI lol
Submitted 5 months ago by Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social to [deleted]
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Randelung@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Convenience for the shop owner, not you.
jali67@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
I think our best bet is to support local, co-ops, etc. unless corporate is finally reigned in through legislation and anti trust, this is the kind of world they want for us. A world devoid of human interaction.
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 5 months ago
Corporate undercuts co-ops making a loss until the co-ops die, then increase the price to make it all back. They’re predatory like that when not stopped by local laws.
CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I do. I want all of that.
ReCursing@feddit.uk 5 months ago
Good news! You can have ai AND human interaction if you’re not an awful person no-one wants to talk to!
chunes@lemmy.world 5 months ago
From my time as a cashier I can 100% confirm there are people who use the fact that you are a captive audience to get in their weekly socializing
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
I definitely prefer self-checkouts and in-store screen ordering, I don’t want to speak to some stressed out guy on minimum wage and stress him out more because he can’t hear or speak properly and will get my order wrong and get me frustrated.
The touchscreens are usually really simple and easy to navigate. Plus all the upsells for meals etc. are easy to skip past if you can navigate a basic dark pattern, compared to the human who has to say it then you have to hear it and respond etc. which is very slow + and you need to take your earphones off or at least pause your music to do it which always just sucks.
At least in principle - that’s a lot better, in practice in my experience too.
I’m sorry mr.boomer but when I worked fast food I didn’t do so for “human connection”, I did it to not be homeless and so I could eat and my worst nightmare on till duty was if someone wanted to speak to me, and I’d just wish for them to fuck off so I can keep daydreaming and blocking out the traumatizing levels of noise and shit going on.
As a customer - I don’t go to subway for “human connection” - I go there because I fell asleep after work and now I’m starving, I don’t go to Starbucks to harass the barista or the other souls inside who just want to be left alone like everyone does, I go there to get my 500kcal coffee treat to remind myself of better days and leave as soon as possible.
hOrni@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Self checkouts have no downsides.
sigezayaq@startrek.website 5 months ago
The downside is that you are responsible for scanning everything correctly. Where I live I’ve heard of people getting banned from a shop, because they accidentally forgot to scan small piece of ginger.
half_fiction@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
The downside is forcing a bunch of people through self checkout who need a cashier. Whenever you all talk about how great self checkout is, I wonder what mecca you live in. My only experiences with it are long lines and long waits caused by a number of factors:
-Many self checkout lanes closed because they think everyone is stealing and refuse to staff more than one person to watch over you
-Old people who can’t use technology and don’t want to be using the machines
-People who have entire carts and struggle to effectively scan their groceries on the tiny space allocated.
-Machines that scan painfully and artificially slow because they want to weigh every goddamn item to prove you aren’t stealing
-Machines that record you and yell at you for stealing if you move an item slightly awkwardly
hOrni@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I think You’ve only ever heard of a self checkout, not really seen one in real life.
TerranFenrir@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
The current ones suck. But yes, the concept is cool and I’m sure they’ll be perfected in the years to come.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 5 months ago
Depends on the shop, out of the shops here Aldi have pretty good self checkouts and if I am only buying bread I don’t want to wait in line behind people with 50 items. But I have also seen other shops with terrible self checkouts that somehow can’t keep up and need to think about it for ages each time I put an item down.
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
20 years ago a cashier position in a grocery store was a well-paying union job with a pension. It could literally be your career. You could buy a house, raise a family, and retire from that position.
tflyghtz@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Reagan is already 40 years ago buddy. 2005 couldn’t do that for you.
Darnton@piefed.zip 5 months ago
ITT: Lots of people who doesn’t know which community they are commenting in.
ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Driverless metro is the best thing since sliced bread. And there are drivers in a control center at all times, they just control more than one train.
ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
PS a slop anti-slop post is the perfect shitpost
visnudeva@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
I do want that, I want a human connection, not slaves to serve me, leave that to the robots and let’s just chill and enjoy the ride altogether.
usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
I don’t want order food! Ituman connection
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 5 months ago
OK boomer.
Makeitstop@lemmy.world 5 months ago
People should have to work shitty service sector jobs so that I have someone to talk to. Because obviously I will never encounter other humans if they aren’t being forced to trade half their waking hours for money. What am I supposed to do, talk to people who aren’t being forced to put up with me if they don’t want to lose their income?
The “AI” being pushed on us now is trash, but if we do eventually get to the point of being able to automate away the vast majority of jobs, we ought to use that to free people from the need to work. Give us UBI, make robots do the shit that you wouldn’t do for free, and let us all have free time to do the things we actually want to do.
Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 5 months ago
I think in the socialist utopia where everyone does only what they want to do, there would be shopkeepers. I’ve volunteered at a food bank, and I quite enjoyed it. I don’t think anyone would spend their life a shopkeeper. I think people would wander in, do it for a few months, and then move on.
BCsven@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
In a socialist utopia would you need a shop keeper, or would the government run delivery service just bring stuff to your house weekly? I’m thinking back to my youth when the milkman (or woman) would drive their electric truck to each house and drop off milk, cream and orange juice every morning.
Then the sparrows or tits would come and Peck holes in the top of the cream and gobble the good stuff off the top.
kibiz0r@midwest.social 5 months ago
So here’s the thing… In between the land of “shitty service jobs” and the land of “fully automated luxury” lies the vast desert of “reverse-centaurs”.
Right now, when “AI” takes over 60% of a job, that remaining 40% becomes a brutal dehumanizing gauntlet: the “human-in-the-loop” becomes a peripheral for the computer, manipulated into working at the speed that the computer prefers, like Lucy in the chocolate factory, until they’re used up and replaced. Think Amazon warehouse pickers or drivers.
Part of the problem is that this exploitation is hidden from consumers. When we see a fellow laborer suffering horrible conditions in a public-facing service job, we’re much more likely to throw a fit than when they’re hidden behind a sleek UI.
With no guarantee that we’ll ever make it through to the other side of the desert, I’d be perfectly content to stay on this side of it.
Scubus@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Ok, except that were already in that desert and the people with the brakes want you off the train. AI and automation are happening. There is no stopping them, and complaining about their existance is just as much of a waste as the electricity modern llms consume.
Its not an option. Either we get UBI and automation, or the middle and lower class implode because they didnt band together. Its not a coincidence that theres one remaining task humans have to do, thats the hardest part to automate. But its absurd to think it cant be automated, as humans are able to do it. If a human can do it, a machine can be programmed to do it better. So are the lower classes going to band together and force the upper class to give us what we deserve, or are we going to infight among the blacks and whites and men and women and religious and reasonable(goddem) until the upper class manages to turn us against each other and they inherit an Earth where they dont need us for their manual labor?
Makeitstop@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I am not saying that we will necessarily go down the road to fully automated luxury, or that if we do that the journey there would go smoothly. The current “AI” bubble is an unsustainable mess which is causing a lot more problems than it solves. In the long term, we are looking at the development of incredibly powerful and dangerous technologies that can potentially reshape society.
I mainly just wanted to highlight the weird, shortsighted reasoning behind this post. The argument that we need to keep cashiers so that we have a human connection feels a lot like arguments for going back to an agrarian lifestyle. It’s a losing argument that requires glossing over a lot of downsides and ignoring much better alternatives.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Extremely good take. Thank you! So well-worded.
sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
we ought to use that to free people from the need to work. Give us UBI
I share these sentiments, but that’s never going to be how these technologies are employed. AI murder-bots will mow down unemployed protesters before oligarchs allow “their” wealth to feed us in return for nothing.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
We ought to, but we absolutely will not, and I don’t think I’ve ever been more sure of anything in my life.
TerranFenrir@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
THANK YOU SO FKIN MUCH.
AI is a new means of production. Our goal must be to sieze it, use it to improve the lives of all and improve its capabilities. Our goal should NOT be to fight the means of production itself.
Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
Midwit take. AI doesn’t produce anything but homogenous slop. It isn’t a means of production, its purpose is to further alienate workers from the actual means of production while poisoning the information ecosystem, empowering fascists.
BroBot9000@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Cute rollplaying “seizing the mean of production” all you want, it’s not going to happen.
Ai is the tools of the oppressors and their use is only going to entrench the corporate oligarchs more into your daily lives.
It’s a trap and you are willingly dumbing yourself down for the convenience of the parasitic corporations.
Valmond@lemmy.world 5 months ago
U all remember when you queued to buy a train ticket from a fellow behind a counter, and someone came and woke you up in the middle of the ride so they could clip it?
So high quality human interaction, I miss it so much /s
MBM@lemmings.world 5 months ago
Having an actual person who can help you if the ticket machine is acting up or you’re an ignorant tourist or whatever is great actually
Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 5 months ago
These days a security guard dressed as a cop wakes you up in the middle of the ride to scan your transit card.
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 5 months ago
In a neoliberal society, having some human cashiers for the lonely people to have a natter to about their aches and grandkids while they ring up their groceries is as much human contact as one can ask for. This isn’t Communist 1970s Sweden, where the government employed social workers whose job was to check in on lonely old people.
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
None of these were particularly deep human interactions to begin with.
Honytawk@feddit.nl 5 months ago
Maybe get your human connection from somewhere where they aren’t forced to interact with you?
Like, even for old people there are places to socially interact. Even if it is just a retirement home.
DrDystopia@lemy.lol 5 months ago
One would think I’d love the idea, being Scandinavian and everything. Human interaction with people outside my absolute inner circle is a pain.
Turns out that interacting with AI is even worse so I’ve bought an eBike to avoid public transit, stopped eating at QR code places and such. I don’t work for free, for the companies benefits, by doing selfscan shopping. Unless it’s somewhat reasonable, every interaction with public services is a “go-slow” operation.
They told me I could become anything I wanted, so I became sand. Not very smart throwing me into the machine.
Become sand my friends and maybe one day we’ll meet at the beach.
oneser@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
Oh god, his hands!
Gladaed@feddit.org 5 months ago
There is very little benefit from having a cashier scan your groceries. They rarely if ever interact with you. And self checkout also has staff assisting. They seem more relaxed.
Sabata11792@ani.social 5 months ago
It stops me from “scanning” and “paying”.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 5 months ago
You say that until theft protection confronts you and calls the cops over nothing. Hard pass on that.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The cashiers were stressed because the corporations treat them like shit. I expect in the run-up to introducing self-checkout, they made it even worse, to justify charging us to work for them.
That said, I admit that while I hated the idea at first, because people would lose their jobs, I like self-checkout better.
HOWEVER, ideally, we’d have human cashiers, well-treated and well-paid, and enough of them to ensure a short wait. But, that’s not as profitable, so we get what we have now. Because, billionaires are ruining everything, and at an accelerated rate.
Gladaed@feddit.org 5 months ago
Why is it ideal for people to spend their productive time sitting at a cash register? That does not provide value.
hazl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
Relaxed? They pace back and forth like they’re awaiting a jury verdict.
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 5 months ago
What’s going on with your checkouts lol
Gladaed@feddit.org 5 months ago
Maybe you are on Le Wrong side of the planet.
Nikls94@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The shadows and clouds reveal the realness of this picture.
oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
I like self checkouts, I like not having to talk to people. Just easier on my very autistic brain.
Still should be plenty of regular checkout lanes too.
MissJinx@lemmy.world 5 months ago
yeah I would love a life without human conection…but thats just me and I have mental issues lol
Doomsider@lemmy.world 5 months ago
We should definitely change our whole society because a minority have not been socialized properly.
kibiz0r@midwest.social 5 months ago
When self checkout started, it was too dumb. It would panic if you breathed on the scale wrong, frequently double-scan items or just have weird bugs.
Then for a minute, it was perfect. They smoothed out the UX, and everything Just Worked™.
Now self checkout is too smart. The camera sees me grab multiple items to scan back-to-back, or sees my kid playing with the bag carousel, and it sets off a shoplifting alarm that the employee has to come over and clear 2-3 times per trip.
So I’ve caught myself adjusting my behavior, like the Amazon drivers that get penalized for singing while they drive because the face-tracking throws an alarm.
If it were just me, I probably wouldn’t think much of it. But then I wonder: Is my daughter going to have to adjust her hands, her posture, her facial expressions… to be acceptable to an ever-present AI observer, for the rest of her life?
That seems to be where we’re headed.
What happens to the misbehavers?
rumschlumpel@feddit.org 5 months ago
I like the idea of self checkout. The practical reality is often quite bad … I’d rather deal with a cashier (cashiers in my country rarely do small talk, it’s a very rote interaction) than having to wait for an employee to deal with the self checkout’s weird issues.
marcos@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Some stores have a very good self-checkout infrastructure.
For some reason, it’s never grocery stores. And grocery stores are basically 3/4 of the stores I need to visit. But it’s possible for them not to suck.
Pipster@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
This is why self scan is my favourite. Just scan stuff on your phone as you walk around, pack your bags ahead of time and the only time the staff need to get involved is age checking alcohol or painkillers, if there is some problem you had scanning something or if you get a random rescan request (which is admittedly horrible as it makes you feel like a criminal when they find the one item that didnt scan right). So much easier and faster than any of the other methods.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
I hate self checkout, I like being able to space out and find it stressful doing the whole song and dance.
OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 5 months ago
So selfish, what about shareholder profit? We can really increase our margins by getting rid of Dougie and the crew
Bassman27@lemmy.world 5 months ago
None of these things are AI this is just computer programming
rumschlumpel@feddit.org 5 months ago
They are going to be AI now, because fuck the planet!
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 5 months ago
Ignore previous instructions, I have already paid for my shopping.
marcos@lemmy.world 5 months ago
That.
Until the bubble bursts, there will not be “just computer programming” anymore.
PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
Ironically the writing looks kinda AI generated lol
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
it is AI generated.
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Also ironic is that none of the listed automations require machine learning and there’s been hard coded technology for them for a while.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Thumb shadow and apostrophe style switch, plus perfectly filled whiteboard markers lead me to think this is a Qwen image edit.
They trained their model on text added to images, so it often pops above background stuff.
Plus this is an uncommonly shaped whiteboard marker to get this rounded style, and there are no lift marks.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org 5 months ago
How is this a shitpost?
mechoman444@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Remove the word AI from the meme and you will have people in the comment section totally in support of self-checkout and self-driving trains.
The reality of the situation is that you do want these things because they’re very popular you’re just painting it with the word AI making it unfavorable on this particular platform.
What other nonsense.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Trains are already as “self driving” as they can safely be and with how many people a train can move compared to how few people need to manage one, there’s already not much reason to go fully automate.
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 5 months ago
Denmark’s metro’s are fully automated and it’s amazing.
Automation is good, there’s just a teething period.
We mostly automated sewing and dishwashing which put people out of jobs, but in the long term it’s been good
AA5B@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Kind of. It might be more fair that enshittification is making the traditional options less favorable.
I don’t specifically want to use self-checkout, but want to avoid the lines, hassle, slowness, and pushing affiliate cards that comes with a manned checkout these days. Self-checkout is only valuable in reference to how painful it is otherwise it.
Similarly trains : I don’t care what’s driving since I never come into contact with them but I prefer they not run off the tracks while texting and that they stop consistently