Big Brother just got an upgrade. Starting December, Amazon’s Ring cameras will scan and recognize faces. Don’t want to be in their database? Too bad — walk past a Ring and your face can be stored...

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• Naich@lemmings.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This feels like it should be illegal in the EU.

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  • stoy@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Swede here, our laws disallow private security cameras from filming public areas.

    The law is so broad that it interfered with dashcams, disallowing them for years.

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    • Dave@lemmy.nz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s really interesting. Is it specifically security cameras?

      Can you generally take videos of people in public places? Photos?

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    • jpeps@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I wish we had more protection in the UK. Technically the law allows filming public property as long as it is not the direct focus, eg you film your front door and catch some of the street. But it’s not policed at all. Living on a terraced main road I cant leave my house without being filmed by at least 5 different neighbour’s cameras from a range of different American or Chinese companies. One camera literally just points towards a window of my own home. It’s insane, I feel like they’re all just standing outside watching me.

      Technically, I have the right to ask to see the footage they record and ask for adjustments to angles etc, but it’s left to individuals to do. I’d have to have an awkward individual conversation with a bunch of strangers (sad but true) about something I doubt they even consider an issue.

      I’d love to see some legislation that would require some publically accessible way to review what’s in camera for doorbell cams, but I guess that would just be seen as helping criminals.

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    • boovard@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Same in Belgium, and Tesla is even having issues with it’s “sentinel” feature being ruled illegal 🙏

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    • JohnAnthony@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It is more specific in France, but I actually dug around regulations a year ago when the other homeowners in my building wanted to install a security camera. The common parts of a residential building are considered somewhere in between public and private.

      The short version is you need majority approval, the tape can only be accessed if something happens, you can’t film apartments doors or windows and as few people as possible may have access. Which put quite a damper on my neighbours who were already celebrating how they would watch who enters and leaves the building at all times.
      Bunch of fucking weirdos.

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    • RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Same in Italy, minus the dashcam part

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    • Aljernon@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      do public seccurity cameras exist though? In the US, we have cameras watching the movement of cars thru the road network via license plate. It’s dystopian

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  • SynonymousStoat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I believe this is also illegal in some US States. I know of at least a couple that don’t allow biometric data to be stored without concent; I think Facebook even lost a case in one state and had to pay a pretty large sum of money.

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  • Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It most certainly is. There’s no way they’re implementing this here.

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    • primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      there’s no way

      What. You gonna make em? Once the data’s on their servers, they’ll do what they want.

      Unless you physically disallow and destroy their hardware that’s invaded your continent.

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  • 20cello@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Will it happen in Europe too?

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    • oce@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This cannot happen in EU with the current GDPR, they would need to request and receive consent prior to collecting the face.

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• archchan@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m losing my mind. Ring cameras everywhere, Flock cameras, ID/face verification, everything Google touches, airports, Tesla car cameras, every modern car actually, Meta glasses, Chat Control every year, the OSA, stores using facial recognition (and other tracking), social media billionaire shenanigans, Samsung installing Israeli spyware and putting ads on the fridges, fuck even the Windows 11+Chrome+iPhone combo I see in public. I could keep going. We could all keep going.

  It’s too much. Idk anymore. This post broke me a little.

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  • biofaust@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I am Italian and I have much fewer reasons to feel like you, but I still do and, although loving the friends I made there, I know I will never again set foot in the USA, since this comes from a culture of surveillance dating back more than a century.

    I am actually offering temporary accomodation to any of my friends who may want to try his luck in the EU.

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    • BanMe@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The UK has a CCTV facial recognition system that’s quite massive, we’ve resisted such programs for the most part (a few cities have them but they’re not linked together).

      So it’s not like Europe is free of this.

      Here most of our camera systems are for our own use only, not for the government, with this giant exception.

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    • Railing5132@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Willing to host a small family from the US that absolutely loves your country?

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  • HasturInYellow@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m rapidly approaching the point where I got completely feral and begin smashing every advertisement and camera I see. Smashing large billboard screens and smearing shit on walls. Just to tear this monstrosity to the ground.

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    • Aljernon@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I wouldn’t advise you to smash cameras but it would make you my hero

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  • ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Same here. My landlord has security cameras (possibly option activated so they turn on only when people are in the hallways) in all corridors. This means I simply cannot leave my own apartment without being caught on camera, and there are so many cameras in my neighborhood that it is insane. Almost all (if not all) are private, but fuck me…

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  • brbposting@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    PREACH WTF SERIOUSLY

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• psx_crab@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I went to my sister’s house yesterday, she lived in a gated community and to visit i have to let them take a picture of my face and then scan the cam for access. i thought that’s extremely obnoxious. This is far worst.

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  • xxce2AAb@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, no. I’d be inviting my sister to visit me instead.

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    • jaybone@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah this has to be super inconvenient for the residents. I imagine many delivery services, DoorDash, instacart, will refuse to do this bullshit. Forcing the resident to meet them at the gate, or just not receive service at all. I would be pressuring my HOA to end this policy.

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    • Mike_Hunt@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      you’re assuming she is allowed to leave

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    • primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’d be saying I was an only child.

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  • desmosthenes@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    that’d be a nope from me

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• roofuskit@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Not in Illinois it won’t. The states attorney will have Amazon for lunch.

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  • lauha@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    In EU this is also illegal

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• WoodScientist@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  We need to normalize spray painting the lenses on these things, as well as painting “big brother” on doorways of those that own them. If you enable fascism, you should expect some minor vandalism.

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  • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You could start by sending them a letter that informs them of this occuring and how it impacts the world around them before you skip straight to vandalism. I’m sure a lot of people just never considered the extent of that data that is being shared so much as they figured only they would have access to the footagem

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    • WoodScientist@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Sure, but then you’re a suspect.

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    • Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Ugh… Idiots ruin everything. How can people not understand this? Just so fucking ignorant

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• Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Great, my downstairs neighbor has one of these things that everyone has to walk by when going in or out of the main building. Why she needs one in an apartment building with a locked main door that you have to unlock yourself for guests is a mystery to me.

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  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Simple - Because she doesn’t trust the strangers living in the building any more than the strangers on the outside. I don’t blame her one bit, in my lifetime, I’ve seen countless stories of women being raped and/or murdered by other tenants and the complex 's own security.

    In the olden days, before electricity, I used to be friendly with a neighbor, and she became convinced that someone was sneaking into her apartment when she was at work, and stealing her underwear and prescription meds. She took a day off because she was under the weather, and one of the maintenance guys, who was always overly-friendly, unlocked her door, and walked right in.

    It turned out that he’d been warned about this before, and he was fired. But if she, or other neighbors, had Ring cameras, they would have caught on to him immediately.

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    • IzzyScissor@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      A camera inside her apartment would have the same results without invading the privacy of every other tenant in the building.

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    • groet@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      In the olden days, before electricity, I used to …

      Are you like 200 years old?

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    • Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Fair enough. My downstairs neighbor can get a doorbell cam that records locally then.

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    • Dojan@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Why did a maintenance guy have access to her home?

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• nonentity@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Need to normalise IR and UV LED strobe flares, blind those CCDs.

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  • Zetta@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    UV??? That’ll just damage our eyes, please don’t encourage that. IR, 100%

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  • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “In other news, the Trump administration has expanded the powers of the FCC. No more will antifa terrorists be allowed to assault private businesses with radiation.”

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    • BanMe@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      THEY WANT TO TRANS YOUR DOORBELL

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  • figjam@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There has to be a way to make one that is powerful enough to blind the cameras but not damage eyes.

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    • AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      IR

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• moseschrute@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m very happy with my ubiquiti doorbell. It records to a local NVR on my network.

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  • raid_dad@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ve been telling anyone that will listen about my ubiquiti setup. Storing the video data locally is the only scenario that I’m comfortable with. I can still remotely log into my network and check camera footage, but no one else has access to it.

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    • moseschrute@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Ubiquity has been awesome. I’m running a cloud gateway max and a single U7 pro wall AP. It was $400 all the networking stuff, and $300 for the doorbell. The doorbell was a little steep, but you gotta remember there’s no subscription. And after trying a bunch of routers, $400 is honestly a great value for the quality of the networking gear. And I have a ton of headroom for upgrades in the future.

      I’ve heard ubiquiti support isn’t the best for professional installments, but in the home, it’s been fantastic.

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  • Prox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You have my attention… Does it have a good / comparable app that you can use to view recordings?

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    • moseschrute@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The iOS app is decent, and the web interface is excellent imo. Web has better search. I think the AI computer vision stuff performs slightly worse than Ring. E.g. package detection is pretty good but not great. However, pretty impressive considering everything is running locally. I think they have some dedicated hardware now for running local computer vision stuff that likely performs better.

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• xxce2AAb@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Like I needed more reasons to never leave the fucking house.

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  • primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Wear your balaclava, get your spray paints

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  • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Welcome to the basement

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    • xxce2AAb@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “Mr. xxce2AAb, are you home?”

      “Uh… No!”

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• rainbowbunny@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  And you’re always seen as a “weirdo” or “crazy” or maybe even a thief if you want to opt out with a mask.

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  • baines@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    just tell them you’re ice

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• Gammelfisch@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Americans are fucking weird, they piss and moan about speed and red light cameras, and claim they are unconstitutional. However, the Ring shit is good to go.

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  • shininghero@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ring cameras don’t toss a fine at you for walking past them too quickly.

    Also, where are people complaining about red light cameras, so I can avoid taking my bike or car anywhere near there? It’s probably a vocal minority, but I’d prefer to know and cover my ass. Just in case.

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    • pulsewidth@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Nah Ring cameras will just toss police to your door because you look loosely like a person of interest in a case.

      Good think police visiting houses doesn’t lead to the death of innocent people on the regular.

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      they even have speed cameras now, any slightly above the speed limit of a street will imediately give a warning, and fine if it occurs multiple times. you can easily accidentally go over like 5 miles above in an empty street.

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    • bountygiver@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So just people can’t perceive longer term costs. Damn the government can decrease this backlash so much by just billing from their liability insurance directly instead of sending the fine to the person.

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    • zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      All of Ontario apparently

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• michaelmrose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Given any large database this is going to be a massive problem.

  Did someone steal your package?

  Do you want to know who did it?

  Will you settle for knowing which of the 385 people in the country look like your villain? Some of them may even be close enough to be falsely accused!

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  • Test_Tickles@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Would the police do anything about it even if you had 100% irrefutable proof of who did it? Would you settle for Amazon displaying to those 385 people in your town that sort of look like the thief ads for tools that would make it easier to break into your home?

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    • michaelmrose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There are factual existing cases of someone being tried and losing months of their life due to facial recognition wherein the accused wasn’t in the same town as the crime. When the authorities are handled sufficiently gift wrapped cases here is bob bob did wrong here’s the video they often DO pursue them because 95% of such cases are a charging document arrest and plea bargain. In this phase we regularly ask people to choose between probation or a short sentence and being threatened with being punished with 20 years for defending themselves. Sometimes innocent people actually cop a please to avoid their life being destroyed.

      Whilst in theory people may be entitled to a lawyer they may either not qualify because they aren’t poor enough or may not get actual representation without spending thousands of dollars people simply don’t have.

      Creating a whole host of such cases could be a disaster.

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• Aljernon@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  We need an anti-camera movement in this country

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  • 87Six@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t really think cameras are all that bad, the bad thing is the centralization. If someone is willing to record local-only for their own security I see nothing wrong with that.

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  • cmbabul@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Add it to the list of shit we desperately need yesterday

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  • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I need camera in my bedroom to give back for all the porn I watched.

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  • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Bring back masking.

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  • alekwithak@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Or go all-in.

    “The courts might not work anymore, but as long as everybody is video taping everyone else, justice will be done.” - Marge Simpson

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• primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Set anything with a ring camera on it on fire. It us the enemy, it is forfeit.

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  • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Edward Snowden may say (in reality he says to desolder and add manual switches to mics and cameras):

    FTFY

    Set anything with a camera and mic on it on fire. It is the enemy.

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    • primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s much harder to disperse and admit to using the camera in my phone than that you illicitly accessed.

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• xia@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I don’t know if it is the same brand, but my morning walks are cheered on by an increasing chorus/wave of “hello, you are currently being recorded”. Weird dystopian vibes.

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  • insaneinthemembrane@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s so creepy!

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• P00ptart@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Ran into this one Halloween a few years ago. Fuckers had Halloween decorations out, seeming welcoming, and when my kid went up to the door they used their ring camera to make fun of him. Once society falls in the next year or two, that’s where I’m going first.

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  • 87Six@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    For legal reasons, he jusut told me in PM that he will go there to get more candy. He will take ALL their candy and EAT it in front of the ring camera.

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• AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  So what happens to images of your face when they’re stored? Who tf really knows. We do know these oligarchs will literally try to exploit and profit from literally anything and everything they get access to.

  Some countries that aren’t treated like a state run corporation are actually letting citizens copyright their own faces for their protection.

  Dutch MPs want citizens to own the copyright to their faces

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• Defectus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This isn’t legal where I live. It’s not allowed to record public spaces

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• LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  My parents have one of these. 💀

  Guess I’ll be going into their place through the garage lmao

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• Highlandcow@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Pray this isn’t legal in the UK, under GDPR i don’t think so but I’m not sure

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• DNS@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I really don’t care what Amazon does with Ring’s facial recognition. The populace doesnt give a fuck and trust me, I tried to give a damn but its like going up against a tide of stupidity that keeps smashing. No one bats an eye with Costco/WalMart/Target facial recognition software, let alone caring enough how companies like Apple sell your data or manipulate your wants/needs down to the pervasive marketing tactics that are threading the line of psyops.

  Idiocracy came a lot sooner than expected and there is no closing that Pandora’s box. I still try to refrain from and mask my digital footprint, but sadly with how how easily our data is passed around like a ladyboy aboard a navy ship, we’re doomed

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• desmosthenes@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  walk fast, carry stickers

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• sirico@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Luckily I live somewhere where they will have to hide it

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• cdf12345@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Pretty sure this will be illegal in Illinois too

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• FalseTautology@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Can’t we make necklaces of intense IR radiation that block out our faces? Or does that not work anymore?

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• Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The problem is Amazon has this. I don lt care if my neighbors do this. But random corporations should not be involved.

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• RoquetteQueen@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Maybe we should bring back covid masks as a privacy/fashion statement now?

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• PartyAt15thAndSummit@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “One step closer?” Good one. Total surveillance is already here and has been for a while.
  This Ring fuckery just makes it even more convenient for fascists law enforcement to find you.

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• AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Reading the ring press release, I have to admit the features look useful. I wouldn’t mind a better way to know whether it’s someone I care about before I go check.

  They’re also coming out in December and there is not yet a way to disable that feature for privacy.

  For those who care about their own privacy walking down the street …. Unless houses are very tight to the street, you should be more concerned with the higher resolution models also being released. We did have an incident where police asked me if I would check the camera and not only could I not identify the person, it was hard to tell they were a person (the idiots said “oh that was us, based on jacket color”) but my point is that with the limited resolution of current cameras, no one is identifying you unless you get pretty close. And it’s much worse at night. The new high resolution models may change that

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