A camera inside her apartment would have the same results without invading the privacy of every other tenant in the building.
A camera inside her apartment would have the same results without invading the privacy of every other tenant in the building.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
In that specific case, but most people want to identify people BEFORE they enter their promises. I’m not opening my door to any cops, for instance, unless they can slide a warrant under the door.
You are missing the point entirely. There are about a million reasonable reasons someone would want to have a doorbell camera, and they have every right to them. The owner of the camera isn’t violating your privacy, AMAZON is doing that by collecting the data from a privately-owned source who hasn’t given permission to hijack data from their device.
Don’t be mad at the tenant for protecting their safety, be mad at Amazon for exploiting that reasonable fear, encouraging people to get Ring cameras, and then stealing the data they collect.
stickly@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Is it too much to ask for a doorbell camera to operate like a doorbell? We’ve had peepholes on doors that can be opened and checked when needed for years with no problem, why do we suddenly need constant surveillance of the public commons? This is also on the owner for buying into the scare tactics.
IMO it should be flat out illegal to have any permanent camera that monitors a public space. I don’t consent to have a stalker track when I enter and leave my home, I won’t consent to have a neighbor do the same.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
Exactly. Why the fuck is it on at all times?
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
This isn’t the 20th century. We get a LOT more deliveries these days, and a lot of them are expensive small electronics, like phones. They sit there on our front step all day , while we are at work, tempting porch pirates.
About the only thing keeping those jackals from stealing EVERYTHING, is the fact that they know there are cameras on the house, and also most of the houses surrounding the target. That scares off all but the most desperate thieves.
Peep holes are the most basic security precaution, but they are severely limited. They are distorted, and can be easily beaten by ducking. You may look out and see one guy, while three more are below the peep hole. They don’t record, so there is no evidence to identify troublemakers later. They can’t be accessed remotely, so you can’t see who is messing with your house while you’re out.
To extend your logic, we shouldn’t use cars, because bicycles did the job just fine. Or phones, because we could just yell to our neighbors. Or stoves, because open fires cook food good enough. Or computers, because writing on paper always worked fine. For that matter, why use ballpoint pens, when a quill pen always worked good enough.
Why bother to improve?
stickly@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lacking a secure drop off point is a service issue between you and the company delivering the package. It’s just as possible to install a lock box or a set a pickup point or require a signed delivery. Complain to Amazon if they’re too cheap to do anything about porch piracy. The convenience of opening your door for a package doesn’t stand up to my right to privacy.
For the rest of your points: sure, if you really need a camera to watch your private porch then feel free to aim it at the porch and not the entire street. I’m not saying it should be illegal to monitor your property but that your right to 24/7 monitoring ends where your property line does.
IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There are also a million ways to achieve the same goals without agreeing to be Amazon’s snitch for your entire building. Amazon isn’t stealing the data. The ring camera owner sold everyone out.
Also, just so we’re clear, the maintenance worker still had access to her apartment and could have just lied about the reasons. It would not have stopped him in any meaningful way.
“But she would have known who it was!” … yeah, AFTER he was inside her apartment. It doesn’t even do the one thing you’re claiming it would be useful for.
ericatty@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Yeah, except if he knew everyone that entered the apartment at any time was recorded, it would maybe have been a deterrent.
Her other option could be a hidden nanny cam trained on the door so she’d have proof she wasn’t crazy.
But again the issue isn’t people wanting to know who is outside their door, or entering without their knowledge. The issue is the camera companies keeping all the footage for themselves.
We have an off brand camera aimed at our porch for porch pirates. It’s not going to get someone walking by on the street. We have it only recording to the sdcard.
But we can live view and it alerts through the app. We don’t use the cloud service or AI. But there’s nothing stopping the app from screenshotting alerts and sending them somewhere.
I’m trying to figure out how to have an actual closed system so only computers under my control can access camera(s)