Submitted 3 weeks ago by cm0002@piefed.world to fediverse@lemmy.world
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Beware of what? It’s no different than any other instance and capable of being subscribed to, scrolled past or blocked.
Stop advertising for them and let them have their federated echo chamber, just like the communists, socialists, leftists and others have.
it’s kinda funny though
Stop advertising for them and let them have their defederated echo chamber.
FTFY
They’re welcome to it.
As far as I’m concerned, this is the entire benefit of lemmy/piefed/etc… They can have their space, and any other instance can choose not to federate with them so we aren’t forced to listen to them, unlike the alternative, where an algorithm forces them into everyone’s face.
Rather than telling them they don’t have the right to speak, we simply have the ability to shut our window and not listen to them.
Let them bitch at each other.
Can we build a wall around them?
and make MAGA Place pay for it?
I disagree with them being welcome, if we have more fascists over here eventually we’ll get overrun. Best to shut that door immediately.
Them making their own space actually lets us much more easily reduce our exposure to them - without their space we get them everywhere and each of us have to ban such users individuals to avoid their poison, whilst if they’re congregated in a server we can just ban that server and/or its forums.
In terms of the NAZI bar metaphor, this is more like the NAZIS setting up their own bar and congregating there rather than trying to take over other bars - everybody else can very easilly avoid even looking at the NAZI bar, much less going there and listening to them spreading their ideology - yeah, by default the sound of their activities does leak to the street, but we’re the ones who can chose to close the door, not them.
Compare that with, for example, how the Zionists captured news@lemmy.world and even up to a level the server itself, by seeking moderation and admin positions there: subverting an existing large traffic forum and the biggest Lemmy instance is way much more pernicious than what the other kind of NAZI are doing by setting up their own - easily avoided - corner.
I mean “welcome” in the most generic, passive aggressive Canadian sense of the word. Shutting the door is exactly what the strength of federated/defederated social media is all about.
You have a very poor understanding of how the fediverse works if you think that’s true.
You can always section yourself off from the instances you don’t like. If it just so happens then you’re sectioning yourself off from most of the fediverse, then that’s on you.
but I’m on Lemmy.World and I’m too stupid to understand everything.
Thank you, now I love lemmy even more.
And further it ‘should’ help build support for Lemmy et al’s right to exist
Except if you are on lemmy, if another instance user reposts their shit, your instance will get to see that because the devs don't want to completely block their own propaganda.
That's why I moved to Piefed, and the propaganda about my country has plummeted for some reason...
I’ve always wondered why conservatives insist on coming to the fediverse when conventional networks are more appealing to them and their ideals nowadays. Or is that still not enough?
Ideals don’t matter to them, what matters is spreading their propaganda far and wide.
Bingo. These are the same people who will say that most political violence comes from the left while removing a study showing the opposite: a study about a statistical trend that has been well known and documented for longer than I’ve been alive.
They don’t care. They will openly lie to your face, without even trying to hide that it’s a lie while they smile and say they’re being honest. The people who gaslit the nation about project 2025 only to have cabinet members gleeposting about implementing it on social media.
Truth is irrelevant and reality is an inconvenience.
A lot if it is sowing dissent and breaking discourse as well.
Same reason why tankies don’t just move to China, or why some Canadians had Trump bumperstickers: the point is to take over and wield authority as a weapon. Of course they try to invade and pollute every space they can and muddy waters wherever possible.
And they’ve been incredibly successful in doing so.
When I was a conservative piece of shit, in my younger days, I had the most outlandish bumper stickers you can imagine. Probably more outlandish than you can imagine, actually, 99.9% likelihood. There were quite a few. I knew I was being an ass and I loved when it offended people, because I was miserable. Someone was paying attention to me. I was getting a reaction. I existed! Anyway, yeah, it can be as simple as “they get off on ruining your day cuz they’re miserable pieces of shit.” Speaking from experience.
Thanks for sharing. I’m glad you are feeling less miserable now.
People can change. Even if that baby thinks they can’t.
Good job being less of a piece of shit and congrats on the happiness. Any advice for helping people out of there?
they want attention, which is why magat are so desperate for trump to recognize them.
they get off on ruining your day cuz
That’s true of everyone, though. Leftists find leftists grating, rigid with their insufferable call-out tactics, fixation on niche issues, clashing priorities, infighting, ease of provocation at obvious bait. We just have a stronger capacity to endure the left than the right does.
“They turned potoooooooo into a conservative!”
Potoooooooo: “…i got better.”
They go everywhere because even if a bunch of people are like “fuck off nazis” there will be a few people that are like “oh hey you have some good ideas”.
That’s why they’ve been recruiting online since the beginning of the internet. Capture whoever you can that’s sympathetic and keep bolstering numbers by any means necessary. Worked out pretty well for them
Maybe us commies and socialists need to do it the same way, work against them.
Free platforms like the Fediverse would actually suit conservative ideals of freedom quite well.
If they cared about ideals, that is.
Since when do conservatives follow conservative ideals of freedom?
That’s a reason why it won’t work - see Reddit’s r/Conservative which lists every post as “approved speech only” aka “flaired users only”.
If those were the ideals, the Kimmel and Colbert firings never would’ve happened.
thats why they also favor discord too, have thier own echo chamber, and allow adminstrative controls like with facebook, and not having something like reddit ban system hovering over thier shoulders, plus propaganda mods that keep them from speaking out of line(like with r/conservatives)
They need an audience to perform for. When ever you see a social media “safe space” for conservatives (Voat, Truth Social, etc.) they almost always wither and die. They need people to blame for being everything wrong with the world as well as react to their terrible takes, otherwise there’s no point in shouting their outrage and anger on the internet.
That’s fine. But how do they feel about beans?
If they get defederated, they just spin up a new instance and keep spreading their hate.
They got to emigrate the istance users aswell. Seems like a loosing game.
or they infilitrate instances by creating an account in there and just troll.
Because this place isn’t censored for their side, they’re trying to break it.
Ideals? You mean diet fascism?
What’s the problem of those right-wing dipshits having their own instance? I’m trying to understand this perspective you all seem to have here.
Someone please elaborate the hesitancy of us accepting MAGA extremists having their own federated community?
Nobody is saying that they can't, mostly what you'll get is calls for defederation.
Calling for defederation is a matter of simply not accepting content or voting from the targeted instance. Everyone has the right to spin up an instance for whatever they believe, but everyone else also has the right to not pass your content through their servers or display it to their users
This isn't to call to shut them down, this is to raise awareness so people can update block lists, instance admins to investigate/check with their users/mods on what they want to do
They can have it. We just don’t want to federate with them, which doesn’t prevent them from having their own instance all for themselves.
They’re totally allowed to, just as we’re totally allowed to defederate or block or whatever. The question is why are they here, when they have taken over all the mainstream places and don’t really need a federated niche community.
Because I don’t want to interact with them outside of very specific, and sporadic, questions. Their presence is an active detriment to me. Let them go back to truth social.
Because they are trolls whose purpose is to actively harm everybody else. They do not deserve our tolerance.
Why would we want to talk to MAGA assholes who want to eradicate most of the userbase?
They’re allowed to make an instance, the software can’t stop them. They’re not required to be federated with.
Just like how you can say anything you want, you’re not required to have someone listen to it, or not have someone speak their mind about it back to you.
FOSS is for everyone. Not wanting to be dependent on big tech isn’t uniquely a leftist ideal, and it should be obvious by now that the political affiliation and community guidelines of big tech companies are entirely dependent on the current political landscape, not any moral values or held ideals, and can change at any moment.
Not wanting to be dependent on big tech isn’t uniquely a leftist ideal
Are you sure? most people working on projects against big tech tend to be very left leaning. The conservatives love using the appeal of authority to silence minorities and voices they don’t like.
Right wing creeping up to take control of these spaces doesn’t make it their ideal.
I could be wrong. Can you name some popular projects against big tech by conservatives?
Hmm, that sounds fair.
They don’t want their own spaces as much as making other people’s spaces are theirs too - aka “This is why we can’t have nice things”
Before Trump, the “traditional” social media was likely pushing the Democrats’ agenda (like the Twitter files under the guise of more moderation. Now the tactic is being used by the Trump administration just more in the open and in more traditional media (Jimmy Kimmel). Big media is such an easy target for govt influence when it’s all ad supported.
I’d bet they see the writing on the wall that the government has too much influence in social media. So this time they don’t want to be caught with their pants down when Democrats come back into power. The other thing I feel is on the horizon is the end of the ad supported internet. I’ve said it before, be prepared to do it yourself or pay for it. I guarantee the guys behind this instance is in the do it yourself camp.
Disclaimer: I am libertarian and view both DNC and GOP as different sides of the same authoritarian coin. Right wing flavored, left wing flavored, both are disgusting when it’s authoritarianism.
(imo)…because the AI/bot deluge is slowly but surely becoming more obvious by the day.
even bootlickers want to feel like they’re talking to real other bootlickers
They’re insecure, hateful little twats, and the only comfort they feel is to spread their hateful insecurity around.
Conservatives value the marketplace of ideas. The fediverse is a true embodiment of the marketplace of ideas. No wonder they are coming.
Is that really true though?
When living in the US, it seemed American conservatives seemed mostly to be oligarch shills and with very shallow and performative beliefs.
Mind you, I think there needs to be balance of sorts between left and right, competition to keep both sides honest. But this doesn’t apply to American “conservatives” who at least at the high level seemed to mostly consist of demagogues.
The “marketplace of ideas” phrase is a perfect example of the theatrical and performative nature of American conservativism.
Hey Jimmy Kimmel, how do you like that marketplace of ideas? I heard conservatives sure do value that marketplace. Why can’t I hear you Jimmy?
I hate how maga people call themselves patriots. They are the most unamerican people ever. Everything they stand for is in direct opposition to the America ideals.
They are so immersed in the Conservative Propaganda Machine that they are literally living in an alternative reality from 2/3 of America, and the entire rest of the planet. They have created all these imaginary enemies attacking them on every front, and they think THEY are the ones living real life, and the rest of us side with their imaginary enemy.
see what you’re missing is that they stand for amerikkkan ideals
Which is why the opposition should reclaim the flag. It has become a religious fetish to MAGA, and the Left has to take it back, and reintroduce it as a symbol of Freedom, not treason pedophilia, and corruption.
Nah, truth be told, MAGA is about as American as apple pie. Historically speaking, that is.
Everything they stand for is in direct opposition to the America ideals.
I beg to differ. The “american ideals” are to be economically prosperous, to open and run your own business, to take what is other’s (indian land), without regrets or looking back.
What i’m saying is that’s exactly what Trump thinks he’s doing. He’s not actually helping american businesses but he and his voters probably think that’s what he’s doing. So, the people themselves see it as very american.
You should check out the history and current reality of USA sometime.
This is just universal monk jerking themselves off.
Okay, and? The whole point of the fediverse is that everyone gets a voice. It’s good to see more people adopting it too, even conservatives. It’ll be less of an echo chamber that way.
I’ve noticed a significant uptick in rightist trolls on the fediverse since the devil called Charlie Kirk home. Absolutely nowhere is safe from fascist infiltration for long. Hopefully the half decent instances defederate from those cesspits en masse.
1 month later: why is our new instance filled exclusively with incels and edgelords and fuckwits?
1 year later: President Trump signs executive order requiring everyone to federate with MAGA
damn, i gotta check out that place later. i wonder how MAGA will interact with the fediverse. like, how can you be anarchistic and bootlicking at the same time?
Why would they not just stay on Twitter, Truth Social, reddit or Facebook? Those places are tailor-made for MAGA 🤔
100% a troll account: maga.place/post/2245?scrollToComments=true
That’d be a site-wide shadowban posted on /r/conservative
I can’t believe there’s this many people talking about an instance with one user.
Debating the big issues here guys.
Hot take (?):
It’s fantastic that there is a branch of MAGA who hates the corporate Internet as much as we do.
Hates fediverse, still wants to be part of it.
safe from the madness and censorship of the fediverse.
Sounds like they explicitly don’t want to federate. Unless it’s a parody site, I guess.
Let them federate with Hexbear
Another hive of pedophiles. Wonderful.
good thing they want to be free from the fediverse, because the fediverse should definitely free from this shit.
defederate fascists.
I bet it’s yet another joint run by the Internet Research Agency or its successors.
I hope they meet hexbear soon
Good to see maga entering the fediverse take away power and capitol from corporations
Wonder if they know about the Epstein files 🤔
we should start a fediverse tv show called fedi-deathmatch and its just 5 ppl from maga.place and 5 ppl from hexbear.net having a debate
If I wanted to make a honeypot to get these fucks arrested this is how I’d do it.
Safe spaces? Sounds like snowflakes to me
Conservatives and their pussy-ass safe spaces.
They can’t even write their own fucking acronym right. It’s MAGA, not “Maga.”
isn’t this promoting it?
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
them: yaaah safe from the censorship of the fediverse
me: defederates
Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
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