irelephant
@irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com
- Comment on YSK Lemvotes.org will show you votes on any post, comment, or by user, or anything on the fediverse 1 day ago:
unless they’re defederated or blocked by gregtech.eu
- Comment on Microsoft still can't convince folks to upgrade to Windows 11 2 days ago:
This happens every time there’s a new windows version
- Comment on Mastodon is bringing quote posts to the fediverse 3 days ago:
Sure, but its not a fault of the protocol itself. You could easily choose to discard
articleornoteobjects on ActivityPub. - Comment on Mastodon is bringing quote posts to the fediverse 3 days ago:
Well, it’s a bit more than just using their identity to sign in, data is also stored on their PDS.
It’s entirely possible to make a server that accepts several different lexicons, wafrn plans on doing this for articles.
- Comment on Mastodon is bringing quote posts to the fediverse 3 days ago:
Sharkey, misskeys, pleroma, akkoma, wafrn and friendica already have quotes.
- Comment on Mastodon is bringing quote posts to the fediverse 3 days ago:
It usually comes down to a difference in vision, the fediverses schtick is that you can follow Reddit from Twitter or whatever, whereas on atproto you use a different appview for different formats, like frontpage.fyi for links, and whtwnd.net for blogging.
- Comment on Mastodon is bringing quote posts to the fediverse 3 days ago:
Quotes have been on the fediverse for ages. Mastodon is just catching up.
- Comment on On discourse and decentralisation 4 days ago:
Go to their preferred appview (like bsky.app, blacksky.community or zeppelin.social) and make an account there.
- Comment on On discourse and decentralisation 4 days ago:
I’d say it is, since atproto is, at the very least, open.
- Comment on On discourse and decentralisation 4 days ago:
Checking this one: blacksky.app
It returns this:
spoiler (click to show)
) ) * ) ( ( /( ( /( ( ` ( /( )\ ) )\()) )\()) )\))( )\()) (()/( ( ((_)\ ((_)\ ((_)()\ ((_)\ /(_)) )\ _((_) ((_) (_()((_) ((_) (_)) ((_) | \| | / _ \ | \/ | / _ \ | _ \ | __| | .` | | (_) | | |\/| | | (_) | | / | _| |_|\_| \___/ |_| |_| \___/ |_|_\ |___| ( ) ( ( ) ) )\ ) ( /( )\ ) * ) )\ ) * ) ( /( * ) ( /( (()/( )\()) ( ( (()/( ` ) /( ( (()/( ` ) /( )\()) ` ) /( )\()) ( /(_)) ((_)\ )\ )\ /(_)) ( )(_)) )\ /(_)) ( )(_)) ((_)\ ( )(_)) ((_)\ )\ (_)) _((_) ((_)((_) (_)) (_(_()) ((_) (_)) (_(_()) ((_) (_(_()) _((_) ((_) |_ _| | \| | \ \ / / |_ _| |_ _| | __| / __| |_ _| / _ \ |_ _| | || | | __| | | | .` | \ V / | | | | | _| \__ \ | | | (_) | | | | __ | | _| |___| |_|\_| \_/ |___| |_| |___| |___/ |_| \___/ |_| |_||_| |___| ) ) ) ) ( ( /( ( /( ( /( ( /( * ) )\ )\()) )\()) )\()) )\()) ( ` ) /( (((_) ((_)\ ((_)\ |((_)\ ((_)\ )\ ( )(_)) )\___ ((_) ((_) |_ ((_) ((_) _ ((_) (_(_()) ((/ __| / _ \ / _ \ | |/ / / _ \ | | | | |_ _| | (__ | (_) | | (_) | ’ < | (_) | | |_| | | | \___| \___/ \___/ _|\_\ \___/ \___/ |_| This is an AT Protocol Personal Data Server (aka, an atproto PDS) operated by Blacksky Algorithms Most API routes are under /xrpc/ Code: https://github.com/blacksky-algorithms Support: https://opencollective.com/blacksky Protocol: https://atproto.com/which isn’t blank, and describes what it is.
That specific repo indexes PDSes only.
If you’re looking for something closer to a full instance (like on activitypub) wafrn may interest you, it’s a bit more niche though. - Comment on On discourse and decentralisation 4 days ago:
whtwnd.nat.vg/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l from airportline@lemmy.zip
- Comment on On discourse and decentralisation 4 days ago:
You could paste the link into pdsls.dev as well to see the record :P
pdsls.dev/at://…/3lo7a2a4qxg2ldirect PDS link pds.robocracy.org/…/com.atproto.repo.getRecord?re…
- Comment on On discourse and decentralisation 4 days ago:
github.com/mary-ext/atproto-scraping/
Piefed has fewer instances, really. - Comment on Can we please stop arguing about whether Bluesky is decentralized? 5 days ago:
???
The PDS and the Appview combined are equivalent to an instance. Both run on shitware. - Comment on Microsoft doesn't understand the Fediverse 6 days ago:
Lemmy doesn’t support following people, you need a mastodon or Sharkey account for that. Check sharkey.world and mas.to
- Comment on Microsoft doesn't understand the Fediverse 6 days ago:
Lea.pet also got a c&d for @apple@lea.pet
- Comment on Can we please stop arguing about whether Bluesky is decentralized? 6 days ago:
Yes, you can.
You can easily run a PDS, that’s the main public-facing part, you’d need port forwarding and a domain name for this.
Appviews are easier to host imo, github.com/alnkesq/AppViewLite is what I use. You can run this on a PC right now, and log in with your bluesky account. - Comment on Can we please stop arguing about whether Bluesky is decentralized? 1 week ago:
My head. Lemmy.world has 15,000 (roughly) monthly active users, the threadiverse has roughly 60,000 active users,
- Comment on Can we please stop arguing about whether Bluesky is decentralized? 1 week ago:
It controls ~30% of the threadiverse, then.
- Comment on Statement on discourse about ActivityPub and AT Protocol 1 week ago:
Bluesky is a for-profit public benefit corporation, but there stuff is open source. and ATproto is great.
- Comment on Statement on discourse about ActivityPub and AT Protocol 1 week ago:
You beat me to it!
- Comment on Can we please stop arguing about whether Bluesky is decentralized? 1 week ago:
Bluesky’s network has 2 main layers, the PDS layer, and the appview layer.
Everyone’s PDS stores their posts, likes and account, and handles authentication.
It doesn’t do anything else. an appview gathers posts from PDSes, and indexes and sorts them (for feeds and notifications).
AppViews all share the same posts, so they’re in the same network. - Comment on Can we please stop arguing about whether Bluesky is decentralized? 1 week ago:
People with bsky.social accounts can evade the bans by using: deer.social, zeppelin.social and blacksky.community, without even having to migrate their accounts.
- Comment on Can we please stop arguing about whether Bluesky is decentralized? 1 week ago:
If they use deer.social or zeppelin.social (alternate bluesky instances), they can evade the bans and blocks.
- Comment on Can we please stop arguing about whether Bluesky is decentralized? 1 week ago:
Hey, the at protocol is pretty simple really.
Essentially, the network has three main parts:
- PDSes: These are “dumb” data stores. The do not do anything except store data and handle authentication. Your account “lives” on them, but you can migrate between them seamlessly, and keep your data when you migrate.
- Relays: These connect to PDSes over websocket and store all the data from them. They provide a “firehose” of data through websockets. The advantage of relays is that there is far less missing information than on the fediverse.
- AppViews: These connect to relays and take the posts. They sort through the data and only keep what is relevant for them.
For example, bsky.app is an appview. It connects to the bolson.bsky.dev relay, and only takes objects that have anapp.bsky.*nsid/type. frontpage.fyi is another one, it connects to the relay1.us-west.bsky.network relay, it ignores all posts that except for ones withfyi.frontpage.*nsids, and that are too long.
This approach is way better than activitypub.
Relays aren’t necessary, nor expensive to run (anymore). For example, appviewlite can be run easily, and can be configured to crawl PDSes itself, rather than using a relay.
The cost in running relays has also dropped. It’s roughly $34 a month. Read this article by a bluesky dev: whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3kwzl7tye6u2y.
It has the potential to be federated in a meaningful way in the real world right now.
I’m not going to deny that most people using bluesky’s servers is a problem, because it is.Jack Dorsey wasn’t very involved in bluesky, and isn’t involved at all anymore. He left the board and deleted his account after they did moderation.
Bluesky, right now, is federated in a meaningful way. Whether or not it’s decentralised only depends on your definition of the word at this point.
Also: the people who work at bluesky, right now, have very good intentions. I don’t really think any are crypto-bros. The main problem is investors trying to claw back some value after they invested in it.
- Comment on Can we please stop arguing about whether Bluesky is decentralized? 1 week ago:
Bluesky traded good user distribution for growth.
- Comment on Can we please stop arguing about whether Bluesky is decentralized? 1 week ago:
Alternate ATP servers:
- altq.net: PDS
- app.wafrn.net: pds and appview
- atproto.africa: alt relay
- zeppelin.social: alt appview
- blacksky.app: alternate PDS
- blacksky.community: alternate appview
- witchcraft.systems: alt pds
- sprk.so: alt pds, plans on hosting an appview
- gander.social: canadian PDS, appview in plans
- arankwende.com: open-signup PDS
- atproto.hotwaru.com: open-signup PDS
- bsky.aenead.net: open-signup PDS
- casjay.social: open-signup PDs
- deer.social: alt-client
Honourable mention to AppViewLite which lets you easily and cheaply host an appview yourself. I can run it on my laptop easily. It doesn’t depend on relays, it can crawls PDSes directly.
Plus the many other instances here: github.com/mary-ext/atproto-scraping
- Comment on Can we please stop arguing about whether Bluesky is decentralized? 1 week ago:
Doesn’t LW control ~30% of the lemmyverse?
- Comment on Can we please stop arguing about whether Bluesky is decentralized? 1 week ago:
I can freely and easily federate with *.bsky.network and bsky.app.
- Comment on Can we please stop arguing about whether Bluesky is decentralized? 1 week ago:
The storage requirements aren’t an issue anymore.
You can self host everything for around ~$34 a month.@gabboman@app.wafrn.net runs an alternate bluesky instance (kinda) and he’s not bankrupt yet. Hell, it was on a free oracle server for a while.