Skavau
@Skavau@piefed.social
- Comment on Does piefed not have a modlog view? 4 days ago:
You will see it on community sidebars.
- Comment on THE FEDIVERSE IS TOO INFECTED WITH REDDITISM!! 4 days ago:
I can’t fathom why its so important for some to be able to freely hurl abuse on online platforms.
That really seems to be all its about here.
Moreover, I’d also suggest that the reason a lemmy instance of this nature does not exist is because there’s no need for it for them. There are already sites that allow them to do this. Why would people of this nature be drawn to the style of Lemmy or Piefed? The entire structure of the Reddit-clone is built around curation and filtering.
- Comment on THE FEDIVERSE IS TOO INFECTED WITH REDDITISM!! 4 days ago:
I don’t see a TOC on their frontpage
- Comment on THE FEDIVERSE IS TOO INFECTED WITH REDDITISM!! 4 days ago:
hilariouschaos
- Comment on THE FEDIVERSE IS TOO INFECTED WITH REDDITISM!! 4 days ago:
I just see it being a repetitive, boring troll infested collection of communities
- Comment on THE FEDIVERSE IS TOO INFECTED WITH REDDITISM!! 4 days ago:
The modlogs should give some insight into how much demand there is for instances that won’t censor people.
Well, maybe, but given how a massive chunk of the modlog here are just people having their posts removed for hurling abuse, making threats etc. How do you think those types clustering all together on a single ‘free speech’ instance would go?
The fediverse as a whole is still tiny, so it may seem that getting defederated from the established instances is a death knell, but it isn’t.
If there’s enough people who want ‘free speech’ instances, they can easily organise if the numbers are supposedly there.
- Comment on THE FEDIVERSE IS TOO INFECTED WITH REDDITISM!! 4 days ago:
I know. People are afraid to make them out of fear of defederation.
So there’s clearly not enough of a local audience for it. I know many instances have specific political bias that preclude certain arguments fron being advanced to varying degrees (such as lemmy.ml, slrpnk.net, lemmy.dbzer0 etc) but there are also many general use instances amongst them, that are not defederated that really only ban people for hurling slurs and being abusive.
- Comment on THE FEDIVERSE IS TOO INFECTED WITH REDDITISM!! 4 days ago:
There’s hardly any instances of any kind of size that aren’t ‘heavily censored’ (so to speak)
- Comment on What would community moderators want in an automod for the Fediverse? 4 days ago:
It’s a risk I’d rather take, than letting automation make this another reddit where all the big communities are managed by algorithms.
That’s not fair on other people. It’s also just not viable. I doubt almost any moderators would support not doing this.
Moreover, there already exist self-hosted bots that already autoremove content on the Fediverse. It is already happening de facto.
A human could see a post was only 49/50 words and apply their judgement to know that this post is acceptable because the quality of what was said was more important than the quantity.
I wasn’t specifically talking about that kind of automodding. I’m not sure if that is needed, except maybe in specific long-form debate/discussion communities. I don’t think that level of automodding is a priority, to be sure.
A human could see the word trumpcard was in fact not about Trump.
Yes, there could be false positives. I’m sure that if a community did have a “Trump” filter they could specify it only to notice “Trump” when posted as a single word.
But I was also more thinking about autoremoving slur posts and comments here.
If the price to pay to be moderated by humans and not algorithms is that obscenely large communities can’t exist, than we should be pushing for human sized communities.
A community would not even need to be “obscenely large” in order to not become a moderating chore without some level of automod functionality.
- Comment on What would community moderators want in an automod for the Fediverse? 4 days ago:
This would just burnout moderators on a highly active communities. My preference is not have these tools work after-the-fact, after-the-post but simply tell the would-be poster that their post has hit a keyword block. But basic stuff like mandating all posts be link posts or text posts (depending on the communities focus) or instantly removing duplicate posts seem pretty necessary for many communities if the fediverse expands in population.
Account didn’t get enough updoots from strangers prior to posting? Goodbye post.
Now this one, I admit is a tough one - as it can be harsh to new users. But it’s simply based on trying to deal with spam posters. As the Fediverse grows, the high-trust public nature of downvoting should negate people wanting this.
- Comment on What would community moderators want in an automod for the Fediverse? 4 days ago:
Without automod functionality, every single subreddit of notable size becomes utterly bombarded with off-topic posts and spam.
- Comment on What would community moderators want in an automod for the Fediverse? 5 days ago:
I made a post on this some weeks back. Whether it would be through an ‘automod’ bot (ideally not, in my opinion) - or community settings preventing posts from even going out is another matter.
- Automatic removal option to remove posts and/or comments for specific keywords. This would be most useful for automatically removing posts and comments when people slur. Piefed already has a keyword filter for visibility. This could be expanded to community settings. Have it also fire-off a report to the moderators when someone triggers it.
- Automatic URL removal. Allow communities to blacklist specific urls. Useful for politics or news communities that want to negate sources known for misinformation.
- Automatic removal for repeat URL posting. Very useful for politics or news communities to prevent double-posting.
- Make it so a community can set itself up to only accept text posts, video posts, or image posts. This should prevent tedious janitorial cleanup for communities that only allow links, or text posts (the most common two).
- Post Delay Restrictions. Some communities, perhaps not many, might be interested in posting cooldowns for users. So you can only post 1 post every hour, or 2 posts every hour - or whatever the chosen limit is. This would help negate spammers and over-enthusiastic posters flooding a topical community.
- Post Formatting Requirements. This one could be trickier and more effort than most of the others, but setting conditions for the formatting of new posts would be useful.
- Comment on Recommend that new users join geographically local instances 1 week ago:
Yes, and no. If you want to run specific community types - it might be better to be on a more ‘general’ instance rather than a community geographically relevant to your country.
Moreover, some national instances don’t have Piefed equivalents yet.
- Comment on K&T Host, a hosting provider for many Fediverse software including Lemmy has announced they're shutting down 1 week ago:
Who is specifically impacted by this?
- Comment on A new community for fans of the His Dark Materials series! 2 weeks ago:
!hisdarkmaterials@lemmy.world
- Comment on How should Lemmy sort posts so small communities can compete? 2 weeks ago:
Most pictures though have titles that should filter them out via keywords
- Comment on pareidolia 2 weeks ago:
Uh, cool. Why is this on the test instance?
- Comment on How should Lemmy sort posts so small communities can compete? 2 weeks ago:
But to be fair I didn’t say that killing those filters would solve every problem, just that it would eliminate that implicit incentive to seek the reward to be highlighted at the top. Through “easy to be enraged by posts”, “karma-farming like reddit posts” or just hoards of low effort memes just to mention a few.
There is no karma-posting on here though. People post a lot because they want their communities to grow. This is the case with /new/ only or /hot/. The habits won’t change.
Mentioning the upvote/downvote system, I always said that we could do without it and it would be for the better. I said it on reddit for many years. I say it here as well. It’s actually the most easy to hijack feature of them all: bots, brigade hits, you name it. I never thought of this being the defining feature of reddit, but its biggest flaw. The community building, the interchangeable branches of discussions, that was what reddit got right and was stolen to the end of the earth for it. Virtually every platform stole this after 2005/2006.
Remember though that the Fediverse has public voting, so any attempts to game it are often caught and the perpetrators banned. This is very unlike Reddit. Upvoting/downvoting as a system is not perfect, it’s incomplete - and alternative systems could exist, however a react system of some sort is necessary to curate content across the board for the audience.
Like I said, I have the list of communities as my homepage and then I go through them chronologically in whatever I’m interested to check out that day. I don’t know what you mean by never seeing any posts past an hour. I don’t follow any communities here that if I don’t come here for three or four days (which happens frequently) that I couldn’t go through them quickly. Even back then on reddit, I didn’t have this issue with the communities that I followed. But I never followed high traffic nonsense.
I mean that if only /new/ existed, then after an hour or so - a small community is invisible unless they keep posting constantly. Because people are unlikely to scroll back and notice posts from that community.
We should have like a “town hall” like instance for all federated administrators and mods to talk and vote on directions to take and have users vote. This is only valuable if we implement the same rails and safeguards as in the structuring of a great democracy. And Lemmy can function like a beacon to why federated municipality should be the future of democracy. Even deciding a cap on the number of maximum registrations per instance is not a bad idea to start throwing as numbers increase. I was on Lemm.ee. It was nothing terrible that happened there, it was just too much.
The Fediverse is far too small to even discuss bringing up guards against growth now. In addition, instances can have wildly different - and do have wildly different local policies on community creation, account creation, federation, upvoting (some disable upvotes and downvotes) and many other things if possible.
It’s better to have large numbers spread around many instances, than to have them in just a few. This is the right way to scale up. The more centralised and large the more easy it is to corrupt it. And the harder it is to manage it. Smaller instances will know better how to maintain its base and to manage it. Rimu (the piefed creator) already said he is thinking about closing the registrations on the instance he manages. Which is the one I’m on.
I must have missed Rimu saying that. I am also on piefed.social. He only communciated that for storage reasons to me in the past.
By all means help people set up other instances, but have them be small. Lemmy.world is constantly being hit with new registered trolls and instigators and it is very clear why they pick it, because it is the larger instance and hijacks the lemmyverse attention in the process through this same filters we are speaking of, which is whay I’m on this detour. I also want to say that the administrators and mods have done a great job, but I’m seeing the same cracks that I saw on lemm.ee start to show in that is becoming too much for them to handle so much. It’s not that they are making bad decisions or becoming terrible at all, is that it is starting to become impossible for them to keep the standards they have maintained so far. It’s too much to handle. That’s all.
This is part because the Lemmy software lacks trivial safeguards against day 1 trolls by the way. They can’t even delay community creation for X days for new accounts because Lemmy simply doesn’t have it built in as an option.
- Comment on How should Lemmy sort posts so small communities can compete? 2 weeks ago:
What’s the game? I feel like a broader community for “YouTube Shorts for a games people play” would have more successful than a community tailored to that specific game.
- Comment on How should Lemmy sort posts so small communities can compete? 2 weeks ago:
But that also happens with the Hot and Popular filters.
I use /hot/ for local and subscribed posts after not looking at them for a day or so sometimes.
If someone could only look by /new/ on the /all/ anything older than an hour or so would just be completely gone unless they kept scrolling. The feed would be irrelevant to most people or dominated by frequent posters who flood their communities. In fact, it would make it more desirable for community owners to flood communities full of low-effort posts as the only way to attain visibility would be to be ever-present on the /new/ feed.
Because if I just swipe through the All option across all the federated instances using the Hot or Popular filters it’s mostly memes, circlejerking and rageposting. Is this what is wanted? Because nobody needs Lemmy for that. Reddit and all of the other platforms are already serving that low level of engagement with slop to spare.
Why do you imagine a mandatory sort by /new/ would be less likely to be a feed of memes, circlejerking and rageposting?
This actively rewards it. Exactly the same way.
As I said: Only /new/ existing would make it more desirable for community owners to flood communities full of low-effort posts as the only way to attain visibility would be to be ever-present on the /new/ feed.
I don’t know what you want out of lemmy, but if that outcome is what you intend to have, the end product will have virtually no distinction of its’ counterparts and people will see no reason to change. As there will be none outside of it’s not “corporate owned”. But if it’s still slop, people who want a change, will just skip the whole thing. As I did for a while. And if it wasn’t for Piefed, I don’t think I would be still hanging around here anymore either.
A platforming being ‘slop’ won’t be any less slop purely because it removes its /hot/ feed. In fact, you might as well just outright remove upvotes and downvotes at that rate. And then it just isn’t a reddit alternative anymore.
Beware that a lot of the people who seek these alternatives do not want anything similar to what is huge out there. And you’ll essentially be killing the appeal to the larger target audience that will bother to “learn” federation and how instances operate in its context.
I don’t really see what a /hot/ feed existing has to do with people not knowing how federation works.
I have not used those filters in a long time. But I’m betting that the enraged posting about what’s happening in the U.S. (and justifiably so), shitposting, circlejerking, memes and Tankies causing controversy again are taking the entire feed until one gets bored. If I’m wrong I bet is not by much. But hell, I could’ve stayed on reddit for that back when I was there which was a while ago.
You can just outright remove all of the ‘tankie’ instances from your own viewing if you want. Especially on Piefed.
Meanwhile the communities with intellectually engaging posting, real propositions of solutions and thoughtful discussions get slided to nowhere like on every other platform. They’re here and they are incredible. But guess what, they’re also on reddit, youtube, instagram and so on. And they get even more traction than in here. And also no traction in comparison to everywhere else. Just like here. But they do still get more people than here in the end.
What communities are you referring to here?
So what is the appeal of changing?
Well I came here because I wanted to run a particular community that I couldn’t run or help on reddit. Reddit has exhausted itself for people who want to community build. Almost all names are taken.
There are many other issues with the platform too: people being able to hide their post history (thus making it much easier for bad faith accounts to hide their posting history), no voting visibility (I didn’t know the Fediverse had this before I joined, but it’s very good in that it cultivates a high-trust culture), and its beginning to administrate via AI tools meaning people are getting their posts hidden or removed based on its poor understanding. On the Fediverse you can actually directly interact with instance owners and admins, making each instance much more accountable to users - and if you don’t like how one community is run in one instance, you can create it elsewhere and take their users (if enough people agree).
- Comment on How should Lemmy sort posts so small communities can compete? 2 weeks ago:
You realise if Lemmy/Piefed even doubled in size, /new/ would just be useless. Just a wave of low quality posts, spam, and topically non-relevant posts to most people.
It doesn’t scale.
- Comment on Am I getting this right? The vibe of different lemmy instances 3 weeks ago:
You can blacklist instances on piefed as a user
- Comment on Am I getting this right? The vibe of different lemmy instances 3 weeks ago:
There used to be more topical themed instances but some shut down
- Comment on Am I getting this right? The vibe of different lemmy instances 3 weeks ago:
Lemmy.world, piefed.social, lemmy.zip are all perfectly fine fits here. Hexbear and lemmygrad are blacklisted by most of the fediverse, beehaw does not allow new community creation by randoms anyway iirc
- Comment on Am I getting this right? The vibe of different lemmy instances 3 weeks ago:
piefed - no idea but judging by how people talk about it, Lemmy is clearly becoming too mainstream so some people feel they need to move into further obscurity.
No. Piefed is simply another piece of software with different tools that reads lemmy instances. It’s not an instance in itself. piefed.social, which I am posting from - is the largest piefed (and original) instance.
I really like Lemmy on paper but good god this instance drama is off-putting.
You barely notice if you don’t follow certain communities.
which I find silly altogether because people are specifically hyping fediverse because “iTs AlL coNnEcTeD” and “you are in charge of your feed”. I’m contemplating running one or two communities (and I’m totally fine with them being small and slow) but I don’t know where I dare to make them because apparently I’d have to be paying far closer attention to the nitty gritty of every bit of instance drama to make sure I’m not on “the wrong side”.
What are the communities you’re wanting to make?
- Comment on A new language learning community on Lemmy.zip, with a custom built vocabulary web app 3 weeks ago:
There’s no link to it in your post.
- Comment on I've recently turned into a blocker. 3 weeks ago:
No, he’s pointing out the severe issues with the system at scale. If someone is stalking you on Reddit, that sounds more like a “this user should be banned” issue.
- Comment on I've recently turned into a blocker. 3 weeks ago:
They can be very trolly, but also people very much dislike the pervasive ideology on there.
- Comment on I've recently turned into a blocker. 3 weeks ago:
I thought lemmynsfw was sort of ‘mass-delisted’ by most instances?
- Comment on Political Cartoons 3 weeks ago:
!politicalcartoons@lemmy.zip