Skavau
@Skavau@piefed.social
- Comment on How should Lemmy sort posts so small communities can compete? 6 minutes ago:
But that also happens with the Hot and Popular filters.
I use /hot/ for local and subscribed posts after not looking at them for a day or so sometimes.
If someone could only look by /new/ on the /all/ anything older than an hour or so would just be completely gone unless they kept scrolling. The feed would be irrelevant to most people or dominated by frequent posters who flood their communities. In fact, it would make it more desirable for community owners to flood communities full of low-effort posts as the only way to attain visibility would be to be ever-present on the /new/ feed.
Because if I just swipe through the All option across all the federated instances using the Hot or Popular filters it’s mostly memes, circlejerking and rageposting. Is this what is wanted? Because nobody needs Lemmy for that. Reddit and all of the other platforms are already serving that low level of engagement with slop to spare.
Why do you imagine a mandatory sort by /new/ would be less likely to be a feed of memes, circlejerking and rageposting?
This actively rewards it. Exactly the same way.
As I said: Only /new/ existing would make it more desirable for community owners to flood communities full of low-effort posts as the only way to attain visibility would be to be ever-present on the /new/ feed.
I don’t know what you want out of lemmy, but if that outcome is what you intend to have, the end product will have virtually no distinction of its’ counterparts and people will see no reason to change. As there will be none outside of it’s not “corporate owned”. But if it’s still slop, people who want a change, will just skip the whole thing. As I did for a while. And if it wasn’t for Piefed, I don’t think I would be still hanging around here anymore either.
A platforming being ‘slop’ won’t be any less slop purely because it removes its /hot/ feed. In fact, you might as well just outright remove upvotes and downvotes at that rate. And then it just isn’t a reddit alternative anymore.
Beware that a lot of the people who seek these alternatives do not want anything similar to what is huge out there. And you’ll essentially be killing the appeal to the larger target audience that will bother to “learn” federation and how instances operate in its context.
I don’t really see what a /hot/ feed existing has to do with people not knowing how federation works.
I have not used those filters in a long time. But I’m betting that the enraged posting about what’s happening in the U.S. (and justifiably so), shitposting, circlejerking, memes and Tankies causing controversy again are taking the entire feed until one gets bored. If I’m wrong I bet is not by much. But hell, I could’ve stayed on reddit for that back when I was there which was a while ago.
You can just outright remove all of the ‘tankie’ instances from your own viewing if you want. Especially on Piefed.
Meanwhile the communities with intellectually engaging posting, real propositions of solutions and thoughtful discussions get slided to nowhere like on every other platform. They’re here and they are incredible. But guess what, they’re also on reddit, youtube, instagram and so on. And they get even more traction than in here. And also no traction in comparison to everywhere else. Just like here. But they do still get more people than here in the end.
What communities are you referring to here?
So what is the appeal of changing?
Well I came here because I wanted to run a particular community that I couldn’t run or help on reddit. Reddit has exhausted itself for people who want to community build. Almost all names are taken.
There are many other issues with the platform too: people being able to hide their post history (thus making it much easier for bad faith accounts to hide their posting history), no voting visibility (I didn’t know the Fediverse had this before I joined, but it’s very good in that it cultivates a high-trust culture), and its beginning to administrate via AI tools meaning people are getting their posts hidden or removed based on its poor understanding. On the Fediverse you can actually directly interact with instance owners and admins, making each instance much more accountable to users - and if you don’t like how one community is run in one instance, you can create it elsewhere and take their users (if enough people agree).
- Comment on How should Lemmy sort posts so small communities can compete? 1 hour ago:
You realise if Lemmy/Piefed even doubled in size, /new/ would just be useless. Just a wave of low quality posts, spam, and topically non-relevant posts to most people.
It doesn’t scale.
- Comment on Am I getting this right? The vibe of different lemmy instances 2 days ago:
You can blacklist instances on piefed as a user
- Comment on Am I getting this right? The vibe of different lemmy instances 2 days ago:
There used to be more topical themed instances but some shut down
- Comment on Am I getting this right? The vibe of different lemmy instances 2 days ago:
Lemmy.world, piefed.social, lemmy.zip are all perfectly fine fits here. Hexbear and lemmygrad are blacklisted by most of the fediverse, beehaw does not allow new community creation by randoms anyway iirc
- Comment on Am I getting this right? The vibe of different lemmy instances 2 days ago:
piefed - no idea but judging by how people talk about it, Lemmy is clearly becoming too mainstream so some people feel they need to move into further obscurity.
No. Piefed is simply another piece of software with different tools that reads lemmy instances. It’s not an instance in itself. piefed.social, which I am posting from - is the largest piefed (and original) instance.
I really like Lemmy on paper but good god this instance drama is off-putting.
You barely notice if you don’t follow certain communities.
which I find silly altogether because people are specifically hyping fediverse because “iTs AlL coNnEcTeD” and “you are in charge of your feed”. I’m contemplating running one or two communities (and I’m totally fine with them being small and slow) but I don’t know where I dare to make them because apparently I’d have to be paying far closer attention to the nitty gritty of every bit of instance drama to make sure I’m not on “the wrong side”.
What are the communities you’re wanting to make?
- Comment on A new language learning community on Lemmy.zip, with a custom built vocabulary web app 4 days ago:
There’s no link to it in your post.
- Comment on I've recently turned into a blocker. 6 days ago:
No, he’s pointing out the severe issues with the system at scale. If someone is stalking you on Reddit, that sounds more like a “this user should be banned” issue.
- Comment on I've recently turned into a blocker. 6 days ago:
They can be very trolly, but also people very much dislike the pervasive ideology on there.
- Comment on I've recently turned into a blocker. 6 days ago:
I thought lemmynsfw was sort of ‘mass-delisted’ by most instances?
- Comment on Political Cartoons 1 week ago:
!politicalcartoons@lemmy.zip
- Comment on Pluribus 1 week ago:
Feel free to advertise it on !television@piefed.social, although I’d recommend you do so shortly before it drops.
- Comment on Discussion: Long-term need for automation tools for moderation 1 week ago:
True. I am just mostly trying to make a record of this stuff for the future. Obviously in the event of these tools existing, mods wouldn’t have to turn them on.
I definitely think there needs to be some rough guide on making your community federated and then advertising it effectively so communities can get that early kick.
- Comment on Coordinated Pro-Russian Propaganda Network Targeting ActivityPub and ATProto Services 1 week ago:
You think that’s literally always the case? Really?
- Comment on Discussion: Long-term need for automation tools for moderation 1 week ago:
Yes, communities on here already roll with some of these rules. Some don’t want double link posting or want to ban specific urls or specific keywords - they just have to do it manually. This can cause mod burnout over time.
- Comment on Buffy the Vampire Slayer 1 week ago:
!btvs@lemmy.world
- Comment on Discussion: Long-term need for automation tools for moderation 1 week ago:
Yes, piefed is independent in the same way as lemmy is.
Piefed has tools that Lemmy does not: Flairs, user flairs, hashtags, custom feeds/topics, scheduled posts, poll posting, events - word filters for users.
- Comment on Discussion: Long-term need for automation tools for moderation 1 week ago:
May I suggest instead donating to the Piefed project if you wish to donate at all - given its faster development cycle currently.
And since you’re from blahaj, your own instance also has a piefed.blahaj variant.
- Comment on Discussion: Long-term need for automation tools for moderation 1 week ago:
Well I’m thinking in terms of how to ‘shore up’ the fediverse, so to speak. I do think all of the examples in my OP that I’ve given are pretty general and one or more of them would be implemented by most communities the moment they were able to do so.
- Comment on Discussion: Long-term need for automation tools for moderation 1 week ago:
Well yeah Piefed actually already does this. But some people will just ignore it even if everyone uses Piefed. I would make use of blocking repeat-url posting and have it so anyone who ignores it has their post automatically removed or blocked.
- Comment on Discussion: Long-term need for automation tools for moderation 1 week ago:
To be clear, I’m not personally thinking about Lemmy here specifically. But in any case, however its done - either via the settings, or an easy to official or officially endorsed mod-bot - access to these tools should be easy and well-known for community owners.
If you need tools, find them. If they don’t exist, create them. If you don’t have the skills or time, then don’t volunteer.
Not every would-be moderator of a community has the skills or knowhow to make and/or host these things. Even Reddit now, at its size, lacks some capable tools not consistently covered in automod tools.
- Comment on Discussion: Long-term need for automation tools for moderation 1 week ago:
I suppose not. Although I imagine if the Fediverse gets more users it will happen more and more. The current mod tools are not really up to the job as it increases in activity.
- Submitted 1 week ago to fediverse@lemmy.world | 37 comments
- Comment on A fediverse platform that lets you block whole topics, not just communities? 2 weeks ago:
PieFed let you follow/block keywords, but that’s not the same as robust, community-wide topic blocking. Imagine collaborative, booru-style tagging across posts so blocking a tag reliably removes all content using it.
This would require a fediverse platform that has a built-in, accurate tagging system. So no under that basis.
- Comment on Delusions of a Protocol 2 weeks ago:
I feel like many people who went to Bluesky were desperate for it to work and grow, rather than necessarily believing it would work and grow and in some cases - weren’t even people who the Twitter style even appealed to.
- Comment on Album Artwork Heaven 2 weeks ago:
What a strange rule
- Comment on Politics 3 weeks ago:
Well you can make use of the Piefed tagging system to distinguish different locations or topics etc
- Comment on Politics 3 weeks ago:
Isn’t this effectively suggesting to delete the community and remake as US Politics?
- Comment on The Shitpost Office — Shitposts from 9 to 5 in any and all timezones 3 weeks ago:
Indeed. tbh we need a “piefed federate” tool built really.
- Comment on The Shitpost Office — Shitposts from 9 to 5 in any and all timezones 3 weeks ago:
I also added them all to piefed.social manually. I do that a lot. I am following all the ‘discover’ communities where people advertise, so pull them into piefed.social.