I would support this if they didn’t just ban/censor people they disagreed with.
We definitely need more open spaces for discussion on the internet.
Beware, another "wonderful" conservative instance to "free us" has appeared
Submitted 8 months ago by cm0002@piefed.world to fediverse@lemmy.world
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nuggie_ss@lemmings.world 8 months ago
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Begone, goose stepper
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
They have like 1000 websites like Facebook and Twitter to go to, we need our own spaces. I think we should try to block them so they don’t burn this platform with their stupid bullshit.
nuggie_ss@lemmings.world 8 months ago
The fediverse isn’t your safe space.
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 8 months ago
We definitely need more open spaces for discussion on the internet.
Not with fascists.
hisao@ani.social 8 months ago
Not with fascists.
The endgame of this is immediately labeling any person showing the slightest signs of a different opinion as a fascist.
nuggie_ss@lemmings.world 8 months ago
What about people who are critical of transgenderism?
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Okay, and? The whole point of the fediverse is that everyone gets a voice. It’s good to see more people adopting it too, even conservatives. It’ll be less of an echo chamber that way.
Lfrith@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Isn’t the point of fediverse to provide an alternative to big tech where anyone can create an instance with their own rules? Its not really about having to be subject to everyones voice. Otherwise instances wouldn’t have the ability to defederate.
And people as they got more familiar to the fediverse started either running their own or choosing instances that aligned with what they’d like to see and not see. So I see this thread more as people expressing what they’d like their instance to do when it comes to defederating or federating.
And if values don’t align then people can switch to an instance that more closely does. So its less about voice, but having options to turn to compared to centralized sites where if you dislike the CEO, algorithm, or moderation policies there isn’t much you can do other than leaving, but in the process lose access to all content and interaction.
Fijxu@programming.dev 8 months ago
I was going to say this. I’m not even from the United States btw. That’s just how the fediverse and federation works.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Yeah. The fediverse will end up having stuff we don’t like on it. What matters is that people are using it.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
A perfectly valid point. We always have to protect ourselves from the barbarians at the gate anyway.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 8 months ago
If particular instances like blahaj.zone or beehaw wish to defederate them, that makes sense. But if they aren’t botting/spamming or doing things that are illegal, I don’t see a point in defederating.
Taalnazi@lemmy.world 8 months ago
No, the whole point of the fediverse is to evade censorship from fascists.
Inviting them over there is NOT good.
“Echo chambers” don’t exist except on fascist forums.
1141kizzie@thelemmy.club 8 months ago
No, the whole point of the fediverse is to evade censorship from fascists.
“Echo chambers” don’t exist except on fascist forums.
All i see here is echo chambers because of lack of diversity. Do you think these crazies will respect freedom when they will get power in real life? These people hate “enemy” so much that they get pleasure from inflicting pain in them & will break law if it mean they are punishing the enemy. I joined here last week, rarely saw civil discussion or diversity in opinions.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 8 months ago
It’s to combat censorship. How will having ““fascists”” on the fediverse start putting in place censorship?
Inviting them over there is NOT good. It’ll show more pro-fascist views and fool gullible people. And the more fascist instances there are, the harder to kick those out.
It sounds like you’re the one wanting to enforce censorship?
You’re saying you support it turning into a Nazi bar. If you want one, then go there, instead of being on Lemmy.
I’m not talking about nazis or fascists. You were the first to mention them.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 8 months ago
yeah but we’ve seen with other social media platforms what happens when the conservatives come knockin’. Once the wave of conservative boomers and social outcasts comes it’s the end of the platform.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 8 months ago
That’s due to algorithms
nuggie_ss@lemmings.world 8 months ago
Couldn’t be further from the truth.
The fediverse is likely to split off into different sections. Some will allow people to say what they want, others won’t.
zaphod@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
It’ll be less of an echo chamber that way.
It’ll be defederated and just create new echo chambers.
nuggie_ss@lemmings.world 8 months ago
If enough free-speech instances get defederated, then it will be the ones defederating that are left with an echo chamber.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Not everyone kneejerks defederation in this case. A lot of places just defed csam
gmtom@lemmy.world 8 months ago
And then in a couple years lemmy goes the way of reddit and suddenly were flooded with right wing bots and bad actors spamming lemmy with misinformstion and hate and they scream and cry whenever you try to do anything about it.
Leftists deserve our own space on the internet.
hisao@ani.social 8 months ago
Do you realize Reddit is a monolith platform and not defederated? The things happening to Reddit and other centralized platforms is exactly the reason why Fediverse exist in the first place. Those problems are what Fediverse is designed to solve. It’s surprising to see people considering Lemmy as some kind of leftwing alternative to Reddit. It’s not.
Dremor@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The day it happen we’ll just have to defederate them, which other social networks can’t.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Leftists deserve our own space on the internet.
That’s not what the fediverse is for. The fediverse isn’t to be your own personal haven. However, you can use the fediverse to make a leftist instance and defederate/ban right wingers as you please.
I haven’t been on Reddit since the API fallout, but I rarely ever saw right wingers, nevermind bots.
Some of these platforms (notably xitter) have algorithms to farm rage
Highlandcow@feddit.uk 8 months ago
My honest reaction exactly, and I have to say I feel like just being on lemmy for a little bit it does feel like a bit of a left wing eco chamber, which isn’t necessarily that bad and it makes sense due to alot of left wing people migrating from twitter and the likes, idk it’s just something I’ve noticed and wanted to mention
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Yeah. I don’t usually mind either too much. I think there is a problem when you have the likes of !christianity@lemmy.world being downvote brigaded to the point that it actually is unfairly balancing the posts due to the slim minority of Christians on here. Most lefties I find on here are cool, though.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I can’t believe there’s this many people talking about an instance with one user.
Debating the big issues here guys.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
If you can’t believe it just give it time. You’ll see the patterns then belief will be within your reach.
nuggie_ss@lemmings.world 8 months ago
It’s how tribalism work.
These people are incapable of tolerating anyone who disagrees with them.
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Kiss my ass, Nazi
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 8 months ago
Lmao @ all these day old accounts like yours trying to push a normalcy narrative for maggats
qaz@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Let them federate with Hexbear
OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Probably the same person.
fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 8 months ago
I don’t even think there’d be that much disagreement.
“Oh, do you hate libs and love Putin too?”
thoro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
You clearly haven’t seen their posts about this instance then.
Or ever actually interacted with them.
Evotech@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Them? Is one guy
MrNobody@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
We don’t know their pronouns.
1141kizzie@thelemmy.club 8 months ago
nuggie_ss@lemmings.world 8 months ago
Dang, I thought they would actually allow freedom of speech.
Oh well. The search continues.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
Bye.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 8 months ago
So being sexist towards a Canadian is a warn but being sexist towards an American is a ban?
OpenStars@piefed.social 8 months ago
I presume they were attempting to clarify that the type of xenophobia that they most likely expected to see was directed at themselves due solely to their nationality.
But you could test this by making xenophobic comments against both, and see what happens. Then perhaps make an alt and perform in reverse ordering.
Hupf@feddit.org 8 months ago
OrionTheElder@lemmy.world 8 months ago
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others
Noodle07@lemmy.world 8 months ago
And some are the equalest
gigachad@piefed.social 8 months ago
PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
What instance is that community on
Godric@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Wait, what are the 12 things to do before one calls the cops?
1141kizzie@thelemmy.club 8 months ago
Here is copied pasted version
Calling the police often escalates situations, puts people at risk, and leads to violence. Anytime you seek help from the police, you’re inviting them into your community and putting people who may already be vulnerable into dangerous situations. Sometimes people feel that calling the police is the only way to deal with problems. But we can build trusted networks of mutual aid that allow us to better handle conflicts ourselves and move toward forms of transformative justice, while keeping police away from our neighborhoods.
Don’t feel obligated to defend property—especially corporate “private” property. Before confronting someone or contacting the police, ask yourself if anyone is being hurt or endangered by property “theft” or damage. If the answer is “no,” then let it be.
If something of yours is stolen and you need to file a report for insurance or other purposes, consider going to the police station instead of bringing cops into your community. You may inadvertently be putting someone in your neighborhood at risk.
If you observe someone exhibiting behavior that seems “odd” to you, don’t assume that they are publicly intoxicated. A traumatic brain injury or a similar medical episode may be occurring. Ask if they are OK, if they have a medical condition, and if they need assistance.
If you see someone pulled over with car trouble, stop and ask if they need help or if you can call a tow truck for them. If the police are introduced to such a situation, they may give punitive and unnecessary tickets to people with car issues, target those without papers, or worse.
Keep a contact list of community resources like suicide hotlines. When police are contacted to “manage” such situations, people with mental illness are sixteen times more likely to be killed by cops than those without mental health challenges.
Check your impulse to call the police on someone you believe looks or is acting “suspicious.” Is their race, gender, ethnicity, class, or housing situation influencing your choice? Such calls can be death sentences for many people.
Encourage teachers, coworkers, and organizers to avoid inviting police into classrooms, workplaces, and public spaces. Instead, create for a culture of taking care of each other and not unwittingly putting people in harm’s way. If you’re part of a group that’s holding a rally or demonstration, don’t get a permit or otherwise cooperate with the police.
If your neighbor is having a party and the noise is bothering you, go over and talk to them. Getting to know your neighbors with community events like monthly block parties is a good way to make asking them to quiet down a little less uncomfortable, or to find another neighbor who is willing to do so.
If you see someone peeing in public, just look away! Remember, for example, that many houseless people do not have reliable access to bathrooms.
Hold and attend deescalation, conflict resolution, first-aid, volunteer medic, and self-defense workshops in your neighborhood, school, workplace, or community organization.
Street art is beautiful! Don’t report graffiti and other street artists. If you see work that includes fascistic or hate speech, paint over it yourself or with friends.
Remember that police can escalate domestic violence situations. You can support friends and neighbors who are being victimized by abusers by offering them a place to stay, a ride to a safe location, or to watch their children. Utilize community resources like safe houses and hotlines.
gigachad@piefed.social 8 months ago
Because I feel nice today, I went back to this instance to get the link for you, haven’t read it myself: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/may-day-collective-solidarity-defense-12-things-to-do-instead-of-calling-the-cops
muzzle@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Hey, I hope Lemmy.zip federates with them! I sometimes listen to the tankies, I don’t see why I should not read the fascists as well.
waldo_was_here@piefed.social 8 months ago
Stand MAGA for. Make asses great again ?
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Make America Go Away
Fedizen@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Make America Great [Depression] Again!
fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Or “Minors always granted access”
Pizza_Rat@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Wonder if they know about the Epstein files 🤔
DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
we should start a fediverse tv show called fedi-deathmatch and its just 5 ppl from maga.place and 5 ppl from hexbear.net having a debate
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 8 months ago
DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
1 v 1 then
muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 8 months ago
This might actually help the fediverse go mainstream. And instances that isolate from them will struggle to remain relevant.
Harvey656@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Artemz… feel like that name is familiar…
undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 8 months ago
They can’t even write their own fucking acronym right. It’s MAGA, not “Maga.”
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
They’re welcome to it.
As far as I’m concerned, this is the entire benefit of lemmy/piefed/etc… They can have their space, and any other instance can choose not to federate with them so we aren’t forced to listen to them, unlike the alternative, where an algorithm forces them into everyone’s face.
Rather than telling them they don’t have the right to speak, we simply have the ability to shut our window and not listen to them.
Let them bitch at each other.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
I don’t know how studied fediverse mods are on how the right infiltrated reddit moderation but I really hope you guys know. and that moderator actions are visible to eachother
StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
Hmm. Where’d I put the popcorn?
walden@wetshav.ing 8 months ago
I went to maga.place and it's so edgy! Some 13 year old is having a good laugh at their own jokes.
I know it's brand new, but as of right now it seems like a waste of time to even talk about it.
Could be a different story a week from now, but until then who cares.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’ve noticed a significant uptick in rightist trolls on the fediverse since the devil called Charlie Kirk home. Absolutely nowhere is safe from fascist infiltration for long. Hopefully the half decent instances defederate from those cesspits en masse.
Hiphophorrah@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Cut it out
Hiphophorrah@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Cut the cancer out
58008@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Why would they not just stay on Twitter, Truth Social, reddit or Facebook? Those places are tailor-made for MAGA 🤔
NoodlePoint@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I bet it’s yet another joint run by the Internet Research Agency or its successors.
Auth@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Good, the more people on this protocol the better. If they behave then they shouldnt be defederated. But most maga beliefs are already breaking every rule.
synae@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
I hope they meet hexbear soon
ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
1 month later: why is our new instance filled exclusively with incels and edgelords and fuckwits?
1 year later: President Trump signs executive order requiring everyone to federate with MAGA
apftwb@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I bet they use Windows
Stamets@lemmy.world 8 months ago
An instance of stochastic terrorists. Fantastic.
fuckamerica@maga.place 8 months ago
Hey I found the OFFICIAL ANTIFA HEADQUARTERS?!?!?
moopet@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Sounds like they explicitly don’t want to federate. Unless it’s a parody site, I guess.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
it is a parody seemingly, according to @gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de’s comment
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
I remember when /r/the_Donald was just “parody”. Remember what happened there?
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 8 months ago
I mean, remember what more recently happened with /c/conservative?
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
It’s entirely possible it’s a spectacularly successful trolling mission by one person.
Seriously, look how many people are up in arms about an instance with one user.
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah and why the big deal? I didn’t notice any signs saying the fediverse is only for lefties. I may not agree with conservatives but that doesn’t mean I think they should be excluded.