I Got This Right, Right?

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• jsomae@lemmy.ml ⁨45⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  Is this actually true? There’s too much disinformation about the shooter, his motivations, his identity, his family, his partner going around that I have no clue what to really believe about him.

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  • neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works ⁨34⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    We don’t have confirmation on all of his motives yet; however what we do know about the shooter, his upbringing, lifestyle, etc. is that the poster responding to OP in the image above is largely correct.

    There are indeed conflicting accounts that his roommate was trans, or his partner was, or similar. None of that’s been verified yet, and even if so, it doesn’t explain the shooter’s motivations.

    What we do know about the shooter is that he largely fits the model of a deeply conservative republican, and that fits with how he was raised, his family, and as his grandmother puts it: “Their family was all MAGA”.

    Going off that, and a lot of other circumstantial details/evidence, it’s clear that he was at one point a deeply MAGA character.

    Beyond that or what his current motivations are? We can only extrapolate. Those extrapolations largely lead in the direction that he shot Kirk because Kirk didn’t back some of the same extremist beliefs he held. Those beliefs are similar to what Nick Fuentes believes in, which is also why he’s currently being labeled a Gyroper.

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    • Jumbie@lemmy.zip ⁨23⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      According to The Onion, he once had a trans Uber driver so that obviously makes him a leftist.

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    • NateNate60@lemmy.world ⁨24⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      According to some right-wing spaces (r/conservative on Reddit), there is apparently evidence to suggest that the shooter was an outlier within their otherwise hard-right family.

      Is there any evidence to the contrary?

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  • normalexit@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    I wouldn’t trust anyone describing his political leanings or motives until court. It’s being twisted around and rumors are spreading like wildfire in a vacuum of actual leadership.

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• 58008@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  He should not have been shot. The shooter was, like virtually all such people, a narcissistic main character sociopath who only cared about his own fame and notoriety, and was likely spending too much time in the damp and mushroomy corners of the internet instead of developing an actual personality in the real world. He’s less an anti-fascist soldier and more a Travis Bickle wannabe wanker.

  But Charlie Kirk was a humongous piece of shit and I am glad he’s dead. One fewer humongous pieces of shit to have to listen to. I would never advocate the murder of a man like him, and like I said, I think the shooter was a colossal cunt who unleashed way more danger and harm to marginalised groups than Kirk was capable of provoking on his own. But thank fuck he’s gone. Silver linings n’all that 🤷‍

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  • PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world ⁨57⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    I’m glad he’s gone but this is just what the right needs to go full force Nazi as we have rightly known since it occurred.

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• LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Nope, if you talk to anyone on the right currently, everything the administration is doing right now is fine and they have broken no laws.

  Oh the democrats have done much worse. When i ask them what things democrats have done that are close to what republicans do, they always bring up forcing kids to become trans or giving them hormones in school.

  People really are that out of touch with reality.

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  • DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They are fascists.

    Period.

    They fit the definition.

    They are fascists.

    They might be stupid fascists that don’t even know it, but that doesn’t change that they’re fascists.

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    • RFKJrsBrainworm@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      And fascists are liars

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    • hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      To them any concept of socialism or human rights is considered communism or lgbtq+ . They smear themselves in fascist excrements, coming straight from the orange pudding’s ass.

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  • derry@midwest.social ⁨52⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Did they provide any real world examples?

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• DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Anyone that’s read about the lead-up to WW2 or, well, any historical instance of fascism gaining political control over a country knows that they’re going to keep pushing. They’re going to keep targeting the left. They’re going to ram through executive orders to oppress the left. They’re going to get the SC to make decisions against the left. They’re going to label nebulous entities like ANTIFA (when’s the last time you saw an ANTIFA gathering) as terrorist organizations. They’re going to end up openly calling for genocide. It’s going to happen.

  So I implore everyone to arm themselves and form networks with likeminded people. You do not want to start doing this after it’s too late. If you need motivation, start reading up on 1930s Germany (the similarities are undeniable) and follow up with a list of WW2 atrocities. There’s definitely a WIKI page for it.

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  • Krono@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The number of similarities between modern America and 1930s Germany is shocking.

    I believe the assassination of Kirk is highly analogous to the killing of Horst Wessel. Both Wessel and Kirk were far right nationalists who were killed and subsequently hailed as martyrs by their fascist movements.

    Hitler brought up Wessel in all of his early speeches. The Nazis wrote songs and bullt statues of Wessel. And today we can already hear the songs about Kirk. Congressmen are passing around a bill to erect a statue of Kirk in the Capitol.

    If we continue to follow this timeline closely, we are about 2 years away from our own Reichstag fire moment.

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    • Awkwardparticle@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      So this time around, is that 2 weeks?

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• TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Missed a detail: any criticism of the scumbag is now considered “celebration” or “justification”. We hated him before he died, but now we cannot say that. Because of the Fuhrer at all.

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  • Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Dont rewrite history while its still happening, mate. Saying you dont like him because X reasons is not the issue being brought up. Its the people cheering for his death, celebrating murder and worse calling for more of it. I didnt like the cunt, but I never wanted him to fucking die. But a lot of people on this very platform are drinking and cheering. And thats ghoulish behaviour. Its not about Kirk at that point, its about the people saying it.

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    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      If you looked at Reddit, you would see that any criticism of Kirk is largely being equated to celebration or at least supporting it.

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    • Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Maybe it should be about the factors that led to a person murdering another person and not the bystander reactions to a notable event that happened.

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• Glide@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Yeah, but why is this in shitpost, though.

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  • miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’m open to suggestion!

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    • Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Political memes? lemmy.ca/c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world

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    • rumschlumpel@feddit.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Microblog posts? !micro@reddthat.com

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    • mienshao@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s not and should be reposted elsewhere

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  • TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Shit Reality, Shit Post

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  • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s a Midas shitpost.

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• ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Cut the ‘deep down they know’ bullshit. They have no principles and sincerely believe that it is their opposition, or perceived opposition, that are responsible for all things that go wrong no matter what. No matter how many people Trump fucks over or have their lives completely ruined by him, they will just blame the democrats or transgender people or homosexuals or whoever else. They genuinely cannot see what Trump and his asskissers are doing and the results it is having.

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  • ronigami@lemmy.world ⁨44⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    It’s more accurate to think of them as irrational beings with brain disease making them unable to think clearly. They have vague intuitions and a complete inability to think rationally.

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• safesyrup@feddit.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Do we know about the political views of the suspect? I know he supports guns but that does not make you automatically right wing

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  • commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    From what I’ve pieced together, it’s a guy from a MAGA family that was recently radicalized, possibly in college towards left-wingism. There’s not that much evidence to suggest he was a far-righter himself (the groyper claims are literally just “yeah the engravings are a dogwhistle trust me bro” but many libs here are buying it), and now it’s just turning into a war of push from both sides being like “no it’s not OUR guy it’s YOUR guy!”.

    In other words, it’s impossible to tell for certain due to how deliberately muddied the waters are by everyone.

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    • AndiHutch@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      He went to UVU one semester and then left and went to trade school as an electrical apprentice. I highly doubt he got radicalized at college in Utah. He was already radicalized by his parents and family in the MAGA / Mormon spheres. It takes longer than a semester to deconstruct cult level beliefs like that. There is very little to any evidence that his roommate is trans. It is all hearsay picked up from places like 4-chan then spread to right-wing rags then spread to right wing politicans. A big loooong game of telephone. It isn’t even clear he lived there at the time of the shooting. The Daily Mail said he lives with his family in a $600,000 six-bedroom home.

      The reason the trans - fan fic is getting spread by right-wingers is that the federal authorities are using it to get jurisdiction from the state since that could make it classify as a hate crime. Even if the roommate is trans that doesn’t mean they aren’t a right-wing trans person. Trans people can have shitty views just like any other group of people.

      It doesn’t help that the FBI and news outlets are releasing different info to different news audiences to muddy the waters. Just the meta-data of this being the 3rd trans related storyline being pushed does not inspire confidence in it’s veracity. The first TRN one was debunked and retracted, but then they claim the engravings point to trans- ideology when that isn’t really apparent. Then they come up with another one. Sorry, not buying right-wingers making shit up to blame it on trans people.

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    • 5C5C5C@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      There’s equal evidence for the groyper claim as there is for the trans roommate claim, which is to say nothing but hearsay being pushed out by the Governor of Utah.

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    • MattTheProgrammer@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      MAGA was screaming that it was a radical leftist without ANY evidence… They are just looking for an excuse to justify using force against political opponents

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      If this kid had been “radicalized towards left-wingism” in any way, the media would be all over it and we wouldn’t be hearing the end of it.

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  • Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This is one of the biggest problems with our current state of polarization: we’re quick to box people into a binary; either “red” or “blue,” “left” or “right.”

    Real people rarely fit neatly into those categories. When you take the time to actually map out someone’s beliefs, experiences, and values, what you find almost never looks like a solid block of one color. Instead, it’s more like a mosaic: someone might lean conservative on economic issues, progressive on social ones, independent when it comes to foreign policy, and undecided on others.

    Reducing all of that complexity down to a single partisan label is not only misleading, it also fuels division. It makes it harder to have real conversations, because instead of engaging with the full person (their reasoning, contradictions, and growth), we engage with a caricature. Recognizing that most people carry a mix of beliefs forces us to slow down, listen, and resist the urge to collapse identities into overly simple categories.

    The challenge is that this feels counterintuitive, especially for people who haven’t examined why they hold the views they do. It’s easier, and often more comforting, to inherit an identity or adopt a team than it is to wrestle with contradictions and gray areas. But when we refuse that deeper work, we not only misunderstand others, we also misunderstand ourselves.

    In other words, the messiness is the point. People are complicated, and when we acknowledge that, we create more space for dialogue, empathy, and genuine understanding; the very things that binary polarization squeezes out.

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    • MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Is there a way to interact with this quiz that doesn’t involve me giving the NYT a dollar?

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    • safesyrup@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Very well said, this is how i think as well. Here in switzerland it is exactly the same even though we have 5 major parties to choose from. This is also why direct democracy in switzerland is so amazing. You choose people that represent the parliment in parties while you still can vote different in referendums than your chosen party does.

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  • FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    From what I’ve heard, he was from a right wing family but there are conflicting reports on whether he himself was right wing

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    • safesyrup@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This is what i read as well. While not likely, it is totally possible he is not right wing

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    • Krauerking@lemy.lol ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Probably a libertarian. Non party affiliated has been growing as people arent into fascist Republicans vs fiscal conservative policy and they dont want to be a Democrat in those states.

      I know we have this, you are one party of the other thing but i think the “others” is gonna get bigger as a group and already has.

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  • Asafum@feddit.nl ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I think “we’re” going to end up with a lot of egg on our faces the more they investigate. I believe his parents have already told the authorities that “he’s been getting more into left wing ideology in the recent years” so I’m pretty sure its just a matter of time before it’s “proven.”

    The only thing people have to go off of now is some tenuous connection to Nick Fuentes that doesn’t seem too solid.

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    • Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This kids was different. He is not one of us! /S

      What was fucking hilarious was the governor got on to reassure all Utahns that he was not like his parents, community, or state when he is clearly is.

      Your musings don’t matter he has already been branded by the liars as a leftist and your just here to sweep up after them like a good lackey.

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  • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    His family and city was, but it pretty likely seems he was not. Hard to be a republican if you’re living with (and allegedly dating) a trans.

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    • onslaught545@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It was only for one semester. And you’d be surprised how many white supremacists have had relationships with non-whites.

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  • ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I am a big time left wing guy and I love guns. Of course I believe in gun control, but I do not believe in most gun bans.

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• DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  All that a German needs to know about this incident is two words:

  Reichstag Fire

  (EU pls send help 🥺👉👈)

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  • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    People keep saying this but I’m seeing a different thing. The Kirk murder doesn’t seem to have the seriousness required to compare. Instead, the event has turned into an us-vs.-them litmus test. The fascists can’t use this to declare autocracy, but they’re using it to target enemies.

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    • brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s a loyalty test, yes.

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• MyBrainHurts@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I can’t speak to the shooter’s motivations (though meme forensics seems pretty silly) but the “at a Right wing state with a Right wing governor” etc bits seem pretty dumb.

  It’d be like saying the guy who went after Pelosi was clearly a Leftie because it was in a Leftie state, with a Left song governor, in a Left wing city against a Left wing politician. Pretty nonsense points and make us look dumb.

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  • workerONE@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s sort of relevant because when crazy stuff happens in a Democratic state, the right points fingers and they imply that chaos is happening because of governance.

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    • Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Kind of feels like the right invents their own truth and constantly does mental gymnastics. Now we are doing it? The media talked about goypher for a day and everybody jumped on it.

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• BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  First of all, there is no Republican Party any longer, they are as dead as the Whigs. They should only be referred to in an historical or scholarly context.

  They are the MAGA Party now. They have nothing in common with the traditional platform of the Republican Party - smaller government, lower taxes, economic/fiscal responsibility, family values, religious values, etc. MAGA embraces none of those foundational tenets, instead supporting and encouraging treason, racism, corruption, violence, genocide, pedophilia, misogyny, incompetence, ignorance, intolerance, and more.

  The Dems should hold a press conference, and unilaterally, but officially, declare the death of the Republican Party, and then never refer to them again, always calling them the MAGA Party. The MAGAs are proud of being Republicans, and they will go out of their minds over this.

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  • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    the traditional platform of the Republican Party - smaller government, lower taxes, economic/fiscal responsibility, family values, religious values, etc.

    TBF, the GOP didn’t hold many of those values either. They wanted to increase government control over people, lower taxes only for the rich and therefore increase the national debt, values only counted if they were christian and straight, etc. The main differences with MAGA is they say the quiet part out loud and they’re more comfortable with nazis, fascists, and kings than the GOP ostensibly was.

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    • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They may not have lived by it, but they certainly were proud of it, and claimed it relentlessly. Now they don’t even try to claim smaller government, or lower taxes. They know how ludicrous it would sound.

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They are the MAGA Party now. They have nothing in common with the traditional platform of the Republican Party - smaller government, lower taxes, economic/fiscal responsibility, family values, religious values, etc.

    What a load of bullshit. The Republican party has never, in my lifetime (and from everything I’ve read, since long before that) stood for those things.

    They may have said that they do, but their actions speak louder than words.

    I honestly cannot believe that people still say shit like this.

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    • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Whether they lived by it or not, it was the definition of their party that they offered to the world.

      The fact that they don’t even try to float those concepts any more, because they know how silly they’d sound, demonstrates that they have changed.

      The simple fact is that the Republican Party and the MAGA Party are now two separate entities, and should be referred to that way. And by the Dems making the unilateral choice to eject the Republicans to the dustbin of history, and force recognition of the MAGA Party, the Traditional Republicans, who think they are going to wait out MAGA, and revert to being Republicans again someday, will come to the realization that they have killed the Republican Party that they love so much.

      It’s long past time that the Dems matched the MAGA’s psychological warfare.

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• Nightlight17776@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The gun he used was non binary

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• TangledHyphae@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  axios.com/…/groyper-charlie-kirk-nick-fuentes-tyl…

  Soon after Charlie Kirk’s assassination, some on the political left quickly spread a baseless theory that the conservative podcaster was killed by a follower of the ultra-right-wing group called Groypers.

  Authorities told Axios they believe Robinson’s romantic relationship with his transgender roommate could be key to determining a motive for Kirk’s killing, and that Robinson believed that the conservative was spreading transphobic hate.

  Robinson “wasn’t too fond of Trump or Charlie [Kirk],” a former coworker of his told CNN.

  Reality check: As noted by Time Magazine, those who have covered Fuentes downplayed connections between Robinson and the movement.

  I don’t think reality is welcome on Lemmy at this point.

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Alex Jones got caught looking at trans porn, and he’s a right wing piece of shit.

    Groypers, specifically, are no longer fond of Trump.

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  • lennybird@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Upvoted.

    Personally, it doesn’t really matter much whether he was left or right since it’s very clear that right-wing extremist violence makes up the large majority of these incidents.

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  • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I wouldn’t say the Groyper is totally baseless, but “Robinson’s romantic relationship with his transgender roommate” is pretty telling.

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• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  So many of these Charlie Kirk AI generated TikTok videos popping up everywhere have to shoehorn some amount of “We hate Greta Thunberg” into them. I’m beginning to suspect these people aren’t actually sad that Kirk is dead. They’re sad that Greta Thunberg is doing something infinitely more dangerous and more inspiring, yet she managed to outlive him.

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  • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What you’re describing is clearly foreign propaganda.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      A KGB spy and a CIA agent meet up in a bar for a friendly drink

      “I have to admit, I’m always so impressed by Soviet propaganda. You really know how to get people worked up,” the CIA agent says.

      “Thank you,” the KGB says. “We do our best but truly, it’s nothing compared to American propaganda. Your people believe everything your state media tells them.”

      The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. “Thank you friend, but you must be confused… There’s no propaganda in America.”

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• MehBlah@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Cluster B’s never blame themselves.

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  • VirtigoMommy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You know there’s more to cluster b than just narcissism right?

    Not everyone with a cluster b disorder is incapable of admitting fault.

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    • MehBlah@lemmy.world ⁨51⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Sure but you say cluster b because it never just narcissism.

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• Hikermick@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Gotta unite the base that was fractured over the Epstein files

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• TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Image

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• Aedis@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I thought it was a trans antifa Marxist! /s

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• Samsy@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  My German bro here understands too much. From my perspective, an american shoot another american. For reasons. End of the story.

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