It’s interesting that tens of millions of people know the truth of him being a radical far-left homicidal maniac, but the few thousand people here continue to circlejerk over lies. I really expected better from lemmy. Oh well, it is what it is.
I Got This Right, Right?
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TangledHyphae@lemmy.world 6 months ago
buttnugget@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Can you be specific about what you mean by “radical far left”? Obviously we all agree that he’s a homicidal maniac, because he assassinated a person in public, but I don’t wanna just jump on the downvote bandwagon without hearing you out. What makes him a decent person?
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 6 months ago
The only evidence of this I’ve seen is that his roommate might have been trans, and we all know being in the same room as a trans person makes you a radical left maniac.
HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Y’all remember when ISIS attacked that theater in Russia and Russia immediately blamed Ukraine despite ISIS openly admitting to it and begging for recognition?
Yeah, this is more of the same from the party of Putin’s professional cock holsters.
nialv7@lemmy.world 6 months ago
We can agree that the right wing is trying to use Kirk’s death as casus belli to start a civil war against us. We are in a dangerous position right now.
But at the same time we can also choose to NOT spread misinformation like this. No, we don’t know right now what political leaning the killer has. If anything, if the evidences released by the investigation can be trusted, he is more likely to be left leaning.
Yes, the right spreads misinformation all the time to further their goals. But I think we can do better.
Electricd@lemmybefree.net 6 months ago
Everyone spreads misinformation to further their goals. It’s just not so obvious when it’s your side doing it. Confirmation bias
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Specifically what evidence released by the investigation do you feel characterizes the alleged killer as left-leaning? I have not seen any such evidence.
Jumbie@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
What evidence? So far, none of it says he is a left winger. Everything we do know points to a MAGA family and village of similar idiots with violent tendencies and a gun-loving way of life.
lemmyprnt@lemmy.world 6 months ago
“I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.”
Robinson’s mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro–gay and trans–rights oriented. She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders. This resulted in several discussions with family members, especially between Robinson and his father, who had very different political views.
You people are fucking dipshits.
nialv7@lemmy.world 6 months ago
First of all, you completely missed the main point of my comment. If you think there’s no evidence then you shouldn’t be claiming one way or the other either, yet this post is presenting him as definitively right wing.
Secondly, I didn’t say he is a left winger. I said (based on my judgement) the evidence shows he probably, maybe leans left.
And answering your “what evidence” question, his text message to his roommate is released by the investigation. There are also statement from his mother stating he is “getting more and more left” (obviously, grains of salt). And there are leaked (released?) Discord messages from the killer.
If you never heard any of these, then you probably are in an echo chamber.
GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Multiple people who were interviewed said he was getting into leftist politics, he called Charlie Kirk a “fascist”. He had a MTF trans girlfriend. These are not typical MAGA traits. www.bbc.com/news/articles/c99g1e0z2ero
Manmoth@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
His Mom said he had become more political lately. Specifically left-leaning, pro-gay and pro-trans. He left a note for his trans roommate that he was going to assassinate Kirk. He said that he “Had enough of Kirks hatred” in his discord chat and inscribed pro-trans, gay and antifascist rhetoric on the bullets.
the-independent.com/…/charlie-kirk-murder-suspect…
How is any of this right wing?
ronl2k@lemmy.world 6 months ago
How is any of this right wing?
Plenty of trans people are right-wing Trumpers. Some of them are quite popular with plenty of videos on YouTube.
Manmoth@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
There are also plenty (arguably way more) that are lefties that hate Trump’s guts. What’s your point?
Wolf314159@startrek.website 6 months ago
So, far right parents in a conservative religion in a Republican town in a Republican state produced a child so tortured by a culture of hate and violence that as soon as they even start to lean either way their instinct is murder. Breaking the cycle of hate is relatively easy compared to breaking the cycle of violence. The statements they made to their roommate (even if that heresay is true) just confirm that they were a troubled child from a troubled culture trying to change. It should surprise no one that those childish attempts would be a VERY twisted reflection of the ideal. So no, he was not part of the left. Just a child in pain reacting the only way their conservative upbringing taught them.
Manmoth@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
What is the difference between center-right, right and far right in your view?
lemmyprnt@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No true scotsman. Being against ideas of the right and killing someone for espousing them ipso facto is left.
GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Hey, checking the facts isn’t welcome here!
AniZaeger@lemmy.world 6 months ago
To a Nazi, anything less than pure, unadulterated Nazism is “left-leaning”.
Manmoth@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
You could be characterized the same way.
deaf_fish@midwest.social 6 months ago
Being pro-gay and protrans doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re not right-wing. It just means you don’t share the commonly held out groups. Unusual, yes, but a tell, not really.
If he was dropping some Marxist stuff, was interested in taxing the rich, or universal healthcare, then I would say he’s not right wing.
tempest@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Can we get a link from The associate press or Reuters and not a British tabloid.
lemmyprnt@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Parents said their son became more political
While authorities say Robinson hasn’t been cooperating with investigators, they say his family and friends have been talking.
Robinson’s mother told investigators that their son had turned left politically in the last year and became more supportive of gay and transgender rights after dating someone who is transgender, Gray said.
Those decisions prompted several conversations in the household, especially between Robinson and his father. They had different political views and Robinson told his partner in a text that his dad had become a “diehard MAGA” since Trump was elected.
Mason added that the family’s views “differed quite significantly,” and the conversations were at times controversial between parents and son.
Manmoth@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
Sure. I suggest using this website: www.google.com
GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Is the BBC good enough? www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99g1e0z2ero
surph_ninja@lemmy.world 6 months ago
“Right wing” still isn’t specific enough, as that also includes democrats.
GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Just to be clear, he was obviously part of the same way of left wing thinking that holds the following opinions:
surph_ninja@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Which of those opinions do you take issue with?
imouto@lemmy.world 6 months ago
KILL
Pardon my ignorance but is this actually banned on some dumbass platform?
remon@ani.social 6 months ago
Well, that aged like fine milk.
danzabia@infosec.pub 6 months ago
It’s becoming clear people view reality as a “choose your own adventure” game.
remon@ani.social 6 months ago
Why wait for facts when you can speculate?
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 months ago
no it would alienate thier base, if they blame the right wing group associated with fuentes. the gop could lose seats if they start recognizing that a right winger is the shooter.
GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I’m starting to think there are more rare instances of left wing violence than common instances of right wing violence.
In the future, when you watch more of Tyler Robinson’s social media get released to the public and then see him testify at trial, you will see how obvious it is that the claims he was anything other than a pure “reddit leftist” were shameless gaslighting.
When that happens, please try to think back to all the other times you’ve been lied to.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 6 months ago
There aren’t. The majority of political violence is committed by those with right wing ideologies.
Highlandcow@feddit.uk 6 months ago
Don’t we not even know of the guy is truly guilty yet? There is hardly any Information about him yet to even make a good opinion
TheOriginalGregToo@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I mean his DNA was found on the gun, there’s a slew of text messages, handwritten notes, and video evidence showing that it was him, but I suppose a Republican could have broken into his house, stolen his DNA, planted incriminating messages, and borrowed his clothing. At this point we really just don’t know, anything is possible.
Highlandcow@feddit.uk 6 months ago
Ok fair enough I honestly wasnt away of that information yet
n0respect@lemmy.world 6 months ago
To nitpick, the handwritten note under the keyboard got destroyed. So there isn’t any any more.
DiskCrasher@lemmy.world 6 months ago
They now claim he was “left leaning”. It’s a war of propaganda.
TheOriginalGregToo@lemmy.world 6 months ago
What are your reasons for thinking he was on the Right?
My understanding is that everyone who has publicly spoken about him has indicated that while he was raised in a Republican family, he himself held strong Left views. His friends/classmates have indicated he had become very vocal about this and regularly got into arguments over it. He was in a relationship with a trans individual which is a decidedly Left behavior. More than that he murdered a Republican poster boy because of his ideology (as indicated by Tyler himself).
Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
Likely based on his texts with his transwoman roommate.
Quexotic@infosec.pub 6 months ago
[deleted]GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
It’s not funny that people believed he was a groyper. This was such an obvious thing that you need to talk to a psychiatrist about it.
lemmyprnt@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Robinson’s mother told police that her son had “began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders,” the court document said.
And she said that over the past year or so, Robinson had become more political and had “started to lean more to the left – becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented,” according to the documents.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 6 months ago
They were always going to blame it on the left. Facts don’t matter to rightists, only keeping control of their followers. All of Lemmy called it the moment the assassination happened.
lemmyprnt@lemmy.world 6 months ago
His mom literally said that her son shifted left and got into arguments with his father about politics.
minoscopede@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I don’t see why the either side is trying to disown the dude. He turned himself in. That’s so brave, and the right thing to do regardless of affiliation.
jsomae@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
Is this actually true? There’s too much disinformation about the shooter, his motivations, his identity, his family, his partner going around that I have no clue what to really believe about him.
chrischryse@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The politicians just want to continue spreading fear no matter the side imo
RonniePickering@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That is utter bullshit. The right is wanting to go door to door and kill democrats and keep saying this is war. The left is saying we dont condone this kind of abhorrent behavior. They are NOT the same at all.
jsomae@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
The oligarchs want that, and the oligarchs have many politicians in their pocket I presume. However, it’s not like non-corrupt non-bought politicians have any reason to be afraid of a unified nation – they’re in politics to effect change in the first place.
napkin2020@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Earlier in the briefing, Gray said investigators had spoken to Robinson’s mother, who said her son had, over the last year “become more political and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro-gay and trans rights-oriented”.
He disclosed that the exchange with the roommate then began to explore a motive.
“Roommate: ‘Why?’ Robinson: ‘Why did I do it?’ Roommate: ‘Yeah."’ Robinson: ‘I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again, hopefully they have moved on. I haven’t seen anything about them finding it,’” Gray said.
I think the motivation is pretty clear at this point. Not sure how this post got 1k+ likes and no one seem to give credible source.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 6 months ago
My sentiment is the same. To be blunt, Lemmy is a terrible place to ask.
jj4211@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I will point out one thing that should be obvious, the shooter was only 22. So it’s possible he doesn’t have a very baked and stable political ideology. I knew a hard core outwardly homophobic conservative at 17 who came out as gay and did theater by 20. I knew a fairly liberal person when she was about 18 that over the years got to a place where she publicly praised Trump and called COVID a hoax and the vaccine a conspiracy. No idea how that happened, even as I saw it first hand.
Given the situation, it is at least clear he was unhinged if he would get to this point, either way. I would have hoped this would be a lesson for people that people get dangerously moved by angry rhetoric, but a lot of folks are ramping up rhetoric instead.
Highlandcow@feddit.uk 6 months ago
A very fair point indeed
multifariace@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I heard there is video of him using a megaphone to debate Charlie at some point. I do not know where to verify this. I will be looking into it later.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Is it this one? www.youtube.com/watch?v=rncUo1Pnqio
normalexit@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I wouldn’t trust anyone describing his political leanings or motives until court. It’s being twisted around and rumors are spreading like wildfire in a vacuum of actual leadership.
jj4211@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’d even say all indications are that his leanings don’t matter in the specifics of this event.
It’s probably more informative that folks can credibly have theories for either leaning to lead to this event. Lots of reasons that could believably drive any political leaning over the edge if they are close.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 6 months ago
His trail’s probably a long way away, isn’t it?
neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
We don’t have confirmation on all of his motives yet; however what we do know about the shooter, his upbringing, lifestyle, etc. is that the poster responding to OP in the image above is largely correct.
There are indeed conflicting accounts that his roommate was trans, or his partner was, or similar. None of that’s been verified yet, and even if so, it doesn’t explain the shooter’s motivations.
What we do know about the shooter is that he largely fits the model of a deeply conservative republican, and that fits with how he was raised, his family, and as his grandmother puts it: “Their family was all MAGA”.
Going off that, and a lot of other circumstantial details/evidence, it’s clear that he was at one point a deeply MAGA character.
Beyond that or what his current motivations are? We can only extrapolate. Those extrapolations largely lead in the direction that he shot Kirk because Kirk didn’t back some of the same extremist beliefs he held. Those beliefs are similar to what Nick Fuentes believes in, which is also why he’s currently being labeled a Gyroper.
TheOriginalGregToo@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I feel like we have a pretty definitive understanding of his motivations. This is directly from Tyler when discussing why he did it, “I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.” Where is the ambiguity in this?
jsomae@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
Fair enough, but I think we shouldn’t be basing our inferences about the shooter from his family’s political leanings. My feeling is that somebody who does something so drastic is likely enough to be an outlier from their family that we can’t really know one way or the other.
Jumbie@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
According to The Onion, he once had a trans Uber driver so that obviously makes him a leftist.
58008@lemmy.world 6 months ago
He should not have been shot. The shooter was, like virtually all such people, a narcissistic main character sociopath who only cared about his own fame and notoriety, and was likely spending too much time in the damp and mushroomy corners of the internet instead of developing an actual personality in the real world. He’s less an anti-fascist soldier and more a Travis Bickle wannabe wanker.
But Charlie Kirk was a humongous piece of shit and I am glad he’s dead. One fewer humongous pieces of shit to have to listen to. I would never advocate the murder of a man like him, and like I said, I think the shooter was a colossal cunt who unleashed way more danger and harm to marginalised groups than Kirk was capable of provoking on his own. But thank fuck he’s gone. Silver linings n’all that 🤷
GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
“Now, I would never advocate murder, but I’m super glad [public figure] is dead. I just wish a tree fell on them instead so it can’t be blamed on us.”
Don’t be surprised when you see this line coming back at you from the other side.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m glad he’s gone but this is just what the right needs to go full force Nazi as we have rightly known since it occurred.
MehBlah@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Cluster B’s never blame themselves.
VirtigoMommy@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
You know there’s more to cluster b than just narcissism right?
Not everyone with a cluster b disorder is incapable of admitting fault.
Hikermick@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Gotta unite the base that was fractured over the Epstein files
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Anyone that’s read about the lead-up to WW2 or, well, any historical instance of fascism gaining political control over a country knows that they’re going to keep pushing. They’re going to keep targeting the left. They’re going to ram through executive orders to oppress the left. They’re going to get the SC to make decisions against the left. They’re going to label nebulous entities like ANTIFA (when’s the last time you saw an ANTIFA gathering) as terrorist organizations. They’re going to end up openly calling for genocide. It’s going to happen.
So I implore everyone to arm themselves and form networks with likeminded people. You do not want to start doing this after it’s too late. If you need motivation, start reading up on 1930s Germany (the similarities are undeniable) and follow up with a list of WW2 atrocities. There’s definitely a WIKI page for it.
MyBrainHurts@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
I can’t speak to the shooter’s motivations (though meme forensics seems pretty silly) but the “at a Right wing state with a Right wing governor” etc bits seem pretty dumb.
It’d be like saying the guy who went after Pelosi was clearly a Leftie because it was in a Leftie state, with a Left song governor, in a Left wing city against a Left wing politician. Pretty nonsense points and make us look dumb.
Aedis@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I thought it was a trans antifa Marxist! /s
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
All that a German needs to know about this incident is two words:
Reichstag Fire
(EU pls send help 🥺👉👈)
LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Nope, if you talk to anyone on the right currently, everything the administration is doing right now is fine and they have broken no laws.
Oh the democrats have done much worse. When i ask them what things democrats have done that are close to what republicans do, they always bring up forcing kids to become trans or giving them hormones in school.
People really are that out of touch with reality.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 6 months ago
Cut the ‘deep down they know’ bullshit. They have no principles and sincerely believe that it is their opposition, or perceived opposition, that are responsible for all things that go wrong no matter what. No matter how many people Trump fucks over or have their lives completely ruined by him, they will just blame the democrats or transgender people or homosexuals or whoever else. They genuinely cannot see what Trump and his asskissers are doing and the results it is having.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 6 months ago
First of all, there is no Republican Party any longer, they are as dead as the Whigs. They should only be referred to in an historical or scholarly context.
They are the MAGA Party now. They have nothing in common with the traditional platform of the Republican Party - smaller government, lower taxes, economic/fiscal responsibility, family values, religious values, etc. MAGA embraces none of those foundational tenets, instead supporting and encouraging treason, racism, corruption, violence, genocide, pedophilia, misogyny, incompetence, ignorance, intolerance, and more.
The Dems should hold a press conference, and unilaterally, but officially, declare the death of the Republican Party, and then never refer to them again, always calling them the MAGA Party. The MAGAs are proud of being Republicans, and they will go out of their minds over this.
Samsy@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
My German bro here understands too much. From my perspective, an american shoot another american. For reasons. End of the story.
TangledHyphae@lemmy.world 6 months ago
axios.com/…/groyper-charlie-kirk-nick-fuentes-tyl…
Soon after Charlie Kirk’s assassination, some on the political left quickly spread a baseless theory that the conservative podcaster was killed by a follower of the ultra-right-wing group called Groypers.
Authorities told Axios they believe Robinson’s romantic relationship with his transgender roommate could be key to determining a motive for Kirk’s killing, and that Robinson believed that the conservative was spreading transphobic hate.
Robinson “wasn’t too fond of Trump or Charlie [Kirk],” a former coworker of his told CNN.
Reality check: As noted by Time Magazine, those who have covered Fuentes downplayed connections between Robinson and the movement.
I don’t think reality is welcome on Lemmy at this point.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 months ago
So many of these Charlie Kirk AI generated TikTok videos popping up everywhere have to shoehorn some amount of “We hate Greta Thunberg” into them. I’m beginning to suspect these people aren’t actually sad that Kirk is dead. They’re sad that Greta Thunberg is doing something infinitely more dangerous and more inspiring, yet she managed to outlive him.
TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 6 months ago
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Missed a detail: any criticism of the scumbag is now considered “celebration” or “justification”. We hated him before he died, but now we cannot say that. Because of the Fuhrer at all.
Nightlight17776@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
The gun he used was non binary
safesyrup@feddit.org 6 months ago
Do we know about the political views of the suspect? I know he supports guns but that does not make you automatically right wing
Electricd@lemmybefree.net 6 months ago
The funny thing is you can rotate things around “right” -> “left” and it will still be valid
SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Nice examples provided to prove your point.
polysexualstick@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That’s not what happened though, is it? Where and when did this situation you are alluding to happen?
Electricd@lemmybefree.net 6 months ago
oh sure, I’m not talking about this case obviously
I was thinking about things like epstein files not being made public and left accusing right, and right accusing left
Mass surveillance, facism, war… that happened under obama now happens with trump
Don’t have examples on left blaming right when it happens though, I was mainly saying that each side will blame the other for things they have done too, but obviously I missed the point of this post because that’s clearly not it
after re-reading it I feel dumb, I’ll strike the text. Sorry.