Submitted 2 days ago by kingpepe8006@sh.itjust.works to [deleted]
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Idk man. People who are obsessed about “killing pedophiles” and wears a “shoot your local pedophile” t-shirt are, more often than not, extrememly right-wing anti-LGBT neo-nazis and think leftists and drag queens are, somehow, “pedophiles”.
Pizzagate all over again.
Every time these memes get reposted I can’t help but feel they’re trying to get Q’s Storm or whatever shit going.
When you want to do violence but it’s generally frowned upon so you have to find a way to justify it
Donald?
Aww come on, let them have their fun! It’s refreshing to see some people acting with a civic mindset!
This kind of rhetoric doesn’t sit well with me. There is a difference between being a pedophile and abusing children. Pedophilia is a mental disorder and I can imagine that being attracted to children is pretty damn terrible if you’re also trying to do the right thing. I think there needs to be acceptance towards pedophilia (not towards abusing children) so that the affected people feel safe in talking about their condition and get the appropriate help (so that they don’t end up abusing children).
That’s a sane take on a matter that is easy to act on blind rage. I agree.
We’ve had some success here with a program called “Don’t become a perpetrator”. Pedosexuals (which is the scientific term for people attracted to minors without acting upon their urges) could enter, as long as they hadn’t committed any crime in regards to children or consuming illegal content. They could get psychological help as well as a chemical castration. Preventive approaches like this should be more common.
And here I thought you were going to counter with ahimsa or non-violence by urging violence is wrong. Nope, lemmy is still lemmy.
I’ve seen too much right-wing LGBT = pedophilia propaganda to jump at this one.
Yeah. The criminal justice system doesn’t always get it right, but it’s still a better system than anyone being able to have anyone else lynched by calling them a pedo on unsafe evidence.
Yeah. Which is wrird since our communities tend to be pretty good about taking care of that problem when it surfaces.
Not if they aren’t acting on it, geez.
If they woke up one day, realized to their horror they wanted to do some fucked up shit, and then just never did, that’s crappy for them to have to deal with, and they’re a champion for not making it anybody else’s problem.
Plus a lot of child molesters aren’t even attracted to children, just the power and control it gives them.
I think that it’s also the fact that children, due to being inexperienced and lacking knowledge and strength to defend themselves, which makes them easy targets.
Explain how that’s makes it better.
I always worry about this. Ive got some specific non-vanilla stuff that I didnt ask for and cant change. Lucky for me its nothing illegal or harmful, just non-standard.
It could just as easily have been the bad.
it can also easily become the bad, which is why “i have nothing to hide” morons need to be yanked by the ear
Depends. Are we talking paedophile in the sense of Epstein or in the sense of LGBTQ person?
Because right-wingers tend to call people who are not paedophiles paedophiles (very often just LGBTQ people), while protecting actual paedophiles like the republicans who are fighting to keep child marriage legal in the USA.
Yeah, this kind of vague, “kill your local pedophile :)” sentiment is often just an anti-LGBT dogwhistle and makes me uneasy.
If someone is going to post shit like this, and not actively tie it to the very obvious class dynamics of wealthy human traffickers, conservative Christians who promote child marriage, and politicians who protect them (without also being Anti-Semitic), then I just kind of assume it’s a thinly veiled call for violence against queer people
I really hate how right wingers have bastardised the term to mean “LGBTQ people” meanwhile tons of right wingers are actually paedophiles
This is a very obvious trick from the right.
“Kill all pedophiles!”
Yeah most people will say pedophiles are really bad and nobody wants to defend them, so they’ll either agree or let it slide. However, they’re not anticipating the next part
“All trans people are pedophiles!”
“All gay people are pedophiles!”
“All immigrants are pedophiles!”
Once you define a group of people as being subhuman and unworthy of human rights, then there is a strong motivation to expand the definition of that group to include more people that a lot of people don’t like and won’t stick their neck out to support for fear of getting labeled as part of that group and oppressed like them. The circle then just keeps growing as the machine needs more people in the outgroup to oppose. If there is broad consensus that pedophiles (or people who commit any type of crime) are a danger so foul that the people who might commit said crime should be summarily executed to subjected to torture, then oppressed minority groups will just be identified with said crime. Think about how panic about urban theft and murder was used to advance policies that harm racial minorities in the late 20th century, and how panic about “bolshevism” was a major driving force of the Holocaust. Nothing good comes from this path.
However, they’re not anticipating the next part
I think we can easily retort “All pedophile killers are pedophiles!”.
Right, but at this point pedophilia does exist as an actual phenomenon, which the right uses to build a culture of fear and suspicion in which they can frame all their arguments credibly.
Like people are actually worried about child abuse, for many good and bad reasons. So without addressing the fear and the underlying desire for just governance then no amount of political humanism will get through. People are, irrationally, more afraid of pedophiles than they are willing to criticize the cultural implications of the meanings of words.
That’s not your fault, you aren’t creating or reproducing this phenomenon and I largely agree with you. I just think its time to start coming up with better criticisms than trying to poke logical holes. The right is fighting a war and we are having an intellectual debate. I’m a firm advocate for scientific intellectualism, while exploring even philosophical implications of your plans and actions. I think this is logically strong, but practically weak argument.
I support treating pedos and murdering offenders. I don’t think you’re guilty until having done anything.
Treating non offenders? Good. Reveling in murder instead of simply putting people in prisons? Thanks no.
Yeah, that might be a bit extreme. I was mostly thinking about violent rapists when I said that. Sorry.
You know, death sentence might not be that bad compared to what happens to pedos in prison.
You could even call it merciful.
Death sentence is barbaric and stupid though
Only because the state cannot (demonstrably so) execute justice in a just and equitable manner. Frankly, it’d be fucking dumb to be against the death penalty if (IF) the state could guarantee that the correct person is correctly judged for the correct offense.
Of course that reality is a loooong ways away from this reality, so… death penalty remains a path for the state to unjustly murder innocents. Though IMO, locking innocent people up for the majority of their life is still a gross misjustice akin to the death penalty being execute on an innocent person, but baby steps I guess.
True
What’s with all the anti-republican propaganda on here these days?
As a Trump supporter this post directly attacks me.
Sadly, sarcasm doesn’t translate well in text - and Trump voters have been guilty of saying the most unhinged shit out loud.
Either satire, extremely un-self-aware, or you’re tacitly admitting to defending pedophiles, at least a certain pedo…
A bad joke may just be a joke, but it’s also just bad.
Don’t back or defend rapists/pedophiles/felons, maybe then you won’t feel personally attacked.
Child sexual abuse triggers me into a violent rage as that is how I stopped my abusers as a child. No human scares me. Please do not harm children or the world will be full of violence. But also I agree with the comments saying pedophilia is a mental disorder. Also I do not condone violence against them. Please just stop abusing children.
You’re a pedo in treatment and never touched a child, good.
You’re a pedo who touched children, no more empathy, go straight to hell.
You’re a pedo and the president of the USA? Time to burn the system to the ground
As someone who faced (non-sexual) child abuse, this is just extremely infuriating since I know what they go through, but what they go through is 100x worse. Horrible people like my parents just won’t die soon enough. I hope my parents and those on the epstein list spend an eternity in hell.
Depends.
Pedophilia is likely an inherent sexual attraction, much like being straight, or LGBTQ+. It appears that the sexual attraction is not something that the person has control over. There’s no good evidence that it can be changed. Some pedophiles are also sexually attracted to age-appropriate partners, some appear to be exclusively attracted to children. Moreover, it appears to split into nepophilia (infants, toddlers), pedophilia (pre-pubescent children older than toddlers), and ephebophilia (pubescent children and post-pubescent children younger than the legal age of consent).
Epstein appears to have been attracted to post-pubescent girls younger below the age of consent, but he also seems to have had sexual relationships with adult women. E.g., he wasn’t exclusively a pedophile.
Child molestation is a completely different matter. Child molesters can be pedophiles, but they can also be opportunistic sexual predators. A significant amount of child molestation is also incest, e.g., a parent or close relative (almost always male) using a child for sexual gratification because they can (proximity, opportunity), rather than preferring children. Either way, child molesters that sexually abuse children are very high risk offenders; they are often very, very likely to commit the same crime repeatedly.
So, I’d draw the line a line between someone that’s sexually attracted to minors, and someone that acts. The child molester? Yeah, fuck 'em with a chainsaw. Pedophiles that haven’t yet done anything (including grooming!)? No.
Finally, an actual good use of the “chainsaw of bureaucracy”.
But yeah, this needs to be said more.
The problem for me is that it’s hard to see them being more than a potential child molester.
Maybe not so much if it’s like just “the forbidden kink”, but if it’s more of the main show it feels like they’re just so much more likely to do it eventually.
Now I haven’t read any data on it, but it does naturally raise concern to be wary.
But people at large really love an easy target to dump rage on. And I get it, I’ve been in that crowd.
I may have been saddled with a really weird collection of my own kinks, preferences, and desires, but at least all of mine are kid free. And at my age I still call 20-somethings kids.
Pedophilia is a mental disorder Just saying mind your words
Nah, pedophilia is a paraphilia. And if someone suffers from pedophilic disorder, it’s kinda impossible for anyone other than healthcare to know that – unless they’ve made some attempts to abuse someone.
To be fair, paraphilias were listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders as disorders before that definition was moved in DSM-5 to paraphilic disorder to be distinct from paraphilia (no longer de facto a disorder).
Anyway, pedophilia is a paraphilic disorder, which makes it a paraphilia and a mental disorder!
Well, I understand your emotions but there are more civilized ways to deal with this problem.
The abuser has to pay lifelong alimony to the abused. If the accusation turns out to be false, however, the “abused” has to pay.
This is right, but we have the law to not do it ourselves based on subjective judgement.
Beating the shit out of pedophilephiles?
Pedophiles did nothing wrong
Pedo criminals did
Beating up Trump, Musk and co? Hell yeah.
What if we didn’t need the nental gymnastic, they are roping democracy with memetic manipulation and demographic hacking. 1700s democracy didn’t understand the power of computers, we badly need to bad the exploits and pulp the exploiters.
Sorry but what the actual fuck are these comments???
Lemmy: yeh punch a nazi haha that’s awesome and deserved and cool
Also Lemmy: nooo don’t be mean to pedophiles they’re just misunderstood waaahhh it’s all QAnon propaganda
Fuck anyone who thinks abusing children is fine and normal. Fuck you all so hard to hell. Get the absolute fuck away from my kids.
I’m pretty damn left, but I have zero empathy at all for anyone who is thinking sexual shit about children. I’m livid. Holy shit.
Fuck anyone who thinks abusing children is fine and normal. Fuck you all so hard to hell. Get the absolute fuck away from my kids.
I’m pretty damn left, but I have zero empathy at all for anyone who is thinking sexual shit about children. I’m livid. Holy shit.
Abuse is a choice. Sexual attraction isn’t. You’re worked up about abuse, not about pedophilia.
You’re incorrect. I am disgusted by actual abuse, but I am also legitimately disgusted by the idea of anyone having sexualised thoughts about children. If you can tell me that these people have no control over that then you must be able to comprehend that as a parent I have no control over my protective instincts.
The idea of people being who are sexually attracted to my children, or any children, being anywhere in the vaguest vicinity of them triggers very deep instinctual reactions. Whether those people intend to act or not.
As I understand it, pedophilia is just attraction; not taking action. And many people who were abused as children themselves end up developing the condition. I think it is treatable, but probably not “curable” (maybe, IDK).
AFAIK, child molestation victims are not more likely to become pedophiles or molest children; usually they’ve got a lot of PTSD.
The only treatment that’s available is chemical castration (to largely eliminate sexual urges, although that creates a ton of health issues), and therapy that reduces the probability of criminal offenses against children. It’s not treating pedophilia per se, it’s helping people learn to avoid triggers and spaces where they’re likely to feel overwhelmed by sexual impulses. There’s no cure.
Morality is a human construct but sometimes people confuse their morals with the factual information they know which isn’t exactly bad even tho it may sound bad
I still wouldn’t change my opinion tho
I wouldn’t describe the feeling I’m having as my morals. My morals are conscious and deliberate.
Maybe you need to be a parent to understand… It is a visceral, deep in the gut feeling of fury and repulsion and rage.
Who are these 64 people downvoting
What about pedophile nazis?
When you realise there’s a list that names every sex offender in the USA and they can’t legally bear arms. :)
It’s a sad moment in time, this is a political post
Why does this only have 4 pixels?
masterspace@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
No one’s going to argue that there aren’t going to be edge cases that are hard to criticize, but in general, supporting any kind of systemic vigilante justice always leads incredibly quickly to innocent people getting lynched and cycles of reciprocal violence.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Edge case which is acceptable :
A systemic pedophile who went to pedo Island owned by his best friend is evading justice by literally being the one who appoints judges.
That is a reasonable case for lynching
Grerkol@leminal.space 2 days ago
I heckin’ love the state’s monopoly on violence!
masterspace@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
The state always maintains a monopoly on violence. Otherwise you’d have a terrorist show up and the state would be unable to stop them.
skisnow@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
I feel like the phrase “state monopoly on violence” has so many loaded words in it that people see it and assume it’s a bad thing by definition, when in fact it describes a cornerstone of all civilized society.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I fuckin’ love performative justice! Let’s virtue signal about killling people doing fucked up shit to children!
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Yeah, thats never lead to innocent people being killed on an industrial scale!
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
As opposed to supporting the police, which never harms or terrorizes innocent people.