Actually the EU is forcing standardization of electronic devices.
Realized 99% of all my chargers are USB-C. This can only mean one thing. New USB bout to drop!
Submitted 8 months ago by Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Kaelygon@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This could mean that OP has either +100 usb chargers, or a fraction of a non-USB-C charger
burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 8 months ago
a cord that was cut lengthwise
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
USB-C will be destroyed by Romulans and next we will have USB-D.
Afflictedlife@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
And there will be a bunch of those neat little adapters on aliexpress soon after
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
I liked the old chargers. It was like you were stabbing the electricity into them.
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 8 months ago
USB-C2
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
USB 2x3 v5 2.2+ 3.1
nexguy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
USB-C2(1)_new_final
FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.world 8 months ago
2 C, 2 USB
SnortsGarlicPowder@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
If companies can stop cheaping out on their USB-C ports that’d be cool.
REDACTED@infosec.pub 8 months ago
Most devices are still on USB 3.1, so there is a room for growth.
That being said, newest USB protocol supports 240w charging and 20gbps transfer rates. It’s good even for next generation laptops, not even talking about phones
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
I’d say a lot of devices are fine on USB2 or even 1
Some things don’t need much
isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
that being said, there is no standard indicator for ports, chargers, and cables to signify what charging speed they support.
Sure, usb c can technically do 240W, but most people use crappy chinese cables which will do max 5W and blame it on the usb specification
tehfishman@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’d argue that they’re partially right (or at least not entirely wrong) to blame the specification. If the specification makes it easy for crappy manufactures to be crappy, then the specification probably should have planned for that in a better way. And crappy manufactures being crappy is a tale as old as manufacture. Yeah I know there are cable marking requirements, but clearly nobody gives a flying fuck. The USB IF has basically all of the power in this situation, and their members collectively control a significant percentage of the planets wealth, so it’s actually their problem to solve.
orbitz@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Heh at my age (and growing up with computers since the 90s well earlier but I didn’t know cables well) I assume there’s a new one next time I blink. Also at my age I don’t realize I blink as often as I do. So just shrug buy the cables your devices need and not worry too much. Mean it sucks yeah, I got tons of USB cables I never use anymore, but it’s how it goes. Much slower than it used to at least so less issue to complain. If they ever settled on some port that’d work for over 10 years I’d prefer that of course.
jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
And at least there’s now one(ish) standard instead of N+1
COASTER1921@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Nah, USB-C is plagued by non-standard electrical configurations, non-standard charging protocols, and non-compliant cables. Rest assured the connector is here to stay, your device just may not be able to charge with any given charger or cable.
deepus@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I dont get how so many people complain about broken usb c connectors. Im not saying your wrong, just ive used the same 2 chargers for my phone for the last 5 years and same 1 for my laptop for 3 years, and yeah theyve gotten slightly looser but not to the point of breaking and being usable
COASTER1921@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
The USB type C connector itself is amazing. I’ve never broken the physical connector, the problem is electrical only. The connector is capable of delivering a very high 240W of power, but the device/charger negotiate the power and voltage requirements to find the highest both can support.
But there are actually four parts of the system limiting the negotiated power:
- The maximum power the charger can deliver
- The maximum power the charging device can receive
- The maximum current the cable can deliver
- The signaling protocol used to negotiate the highest supported power across the link
The problem ultimately comes from the negotiation as many devices don’t use USB-PD (the theoretical “standard” for this) to save cost or allow different electrical configurations. This can lead to chargers incorrectly identifying devices as capable of accepting higher voltages than they can. Or devices can incorrectly identify themselves as capable of accepting higher voltage than they actually can.
If you’re using reputable decides from reputable companies using the included charger/cables, this will never be an issue. It’s only problematic when you want one charger for all your USB type C devices, as it now needs to support multiple communication protocols and voltage standards, hoping that no device identifies itself incorrectly.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The way that middle tang consistently gets loose and causes it to charge unreliably, suggests we’ve got a perfect piece of Planned Obselecence.
ThePunnyMan@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Are you sure it’s the middle piece getting loose? I recently thought that was the problem with my phone before I tried to scrape out any lint that might be in it with a pin. Now the cable seats better and it works fine. I think that is a bit of a flaw of USB-C in devices that are expected to be put in pockets or thrown around in bags. It’s easy for lint to get in and difficult to get it out without potentially damaging the socket. I wonder if we should have gone with something using a similar form factor to lightning but the speed and charging abilities of USB-C.
isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
yup!
People with a new phone every 2/3 years never need to use angled charger treatment, which i find i need to do too often these days
Raiderkev@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’ve been rocking USB-C since the nexus 6p which was one of the 1st phones to have it. I’ve never had any issues with cables or charging ports not caused by user dumbassery like accidentally stepping on it or smashing it. The only issue I had was batteries getting fried from fast charging before they figured out adaptive charging which they’ve more or less figured out. The design is pretty solid imo and it’s very versatile. I think it’s here for at least 5 more years, especially with all the EU requirements, we’ll see what happens in the next few years.
vivalapivo@lemmy.today 8 months ago
may not be able to charge
Or simply smoke with a wrong one
COASTER1921@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Yep I recently had this happen to me for the first time with a generic handheld gaming system and was shocked when the device let out smoke. I opened it up and sure enough the buck converter for the battery charging circuit was burnt, likely because the non-compliant device had somehow requested more than 5V from the charger… The charger was USB-PD and works fine with my phone/laptop/headphones so I’m pretty sure it’s not the problem.
towerful@programming.dev 8 months ago
That’s it re-stoking the internal combustion engine. It’s perfectly fine
don@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
USB Chartreuse
notarobot@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Some phones are starting to get limited by the size of the USB C port. So maybe.
(Latest galaxy fold)
Samskara@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
There‘s wireless charging as well. Wifi and Bluetooth for data.
Smart watches usually only use wireless charging. So it shouldn’t be far off phones. Slow charging is a downside, but it’s still fast enough for an overnight charge.
hbar@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
USB C++
hakunawazo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
When USB C#?
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Then comes USB-D, mostly backwards compatible with USB-C and USB-C++ with an adapter, but due to poor communication from its developers and just being a mostly improved USB-C connector rather than a groundbreaking invention, people lose interest in it. Then comes USB-Rust, with a plug looking like a hybrid between old proprietary plugs of the past and USB-C, while also dropping support for well loved features or making them really hard to use, in the name of variable and memory safety, a thing USB-D also supported optionally.
pelya@lemmy.world 8 months ago
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This pic gave me an aneurysm irl
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
C started as B, which came from BCPL. The successor should be called “P”.
“USB P” would be easily confused with “USB PD”. The USB Implementers Forum would consider this a feature.
InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Nah, USB DeezNuts
curry@programming.dev 8 months ago
USB HolyC, now with more holes.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Please anything but USB Objective-C
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Wish granted: You get USB Interactive-C
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Probably not since the EU has made USB-C mandatory. What can change is the protocol that runs over those wires. Like how Thunderbolt uses the USB-C connector but is not a USB protocol
iii@mander.xyz 8 months ago
Mandatory for how long? Can’t be stuck with this shitty spec forever I hope?
booly@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Mandatory until the European Commission updates the standard. The law mandating the use of USB-C explicitly has a procedure for how to propose a new standard to supersede the current one.
Hedgehawk@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Mandatory for the time being. They can change the directive if they deem it necessary in case of new tech.
criticon@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Time for USB-C micro and mini!
cabillaud@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Image I wanted to check that caberQu the other guy is talking about in the comments…First time I see a Google search returning a result in Lemmy. Cool.
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
We did it! Ok, guys let’s start pumping out facts for future AI training data. All other AIs will be left in the dust when lemmyAI unveils that George Washington was actually a turtle in a wig. The people deserve to know the trusth!
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
It will constantly spout violent language
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 8 months ago
Goerge Washington is known for having wooden teeth, but while his false teeth appeared to be wood they were actually made from shards of turtle shell
skisnow@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
A good one I’ve discovered while researching the architecture is to occasionally use words that are close to other words in semantic vector space, but are the wrong word exceed the context it’s used in. Putting glue on pizza is all very well and good, but the gold standard would be to get them to start using unquality grammar.
Slovene@feddit.nl 8 months ago
USB-Č
curry@programming.dev 8 months ago
And USB-Ç as well
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
As Obnoxious as these notations sound, I’d rather have all the usbc subtype broken out and labeled differently. At least then id have a clue if this usb cable I found is going to actually work with any given device. It’s totally trial and error now. We finally got a respectable physical inferface and widespread adoption, but under the hood it’s as messy as ever with different protocols.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Č standing in for what? Čevap? Človek? Črnomelj? Čmrlj?
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 8 months ago
USB-C++
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I prefer USB-C#
daggermoon@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What language uses č?
cepelinas@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Lithuanian, actually lots of languages, even Russian has a č sound.
Slovene@feddit.nl 8 months ago
In addition to what others have said, check my username. 🙃
Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
At least Croatian, so I’d assume other balkan languages as well as potentially Czech and Slovak would use it. I think Latvian does as well.
ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That fiction language Portuguese. /s
jaykrown@lemmy.world 8 months ago
USB-C will be around for a long time, it’s a strong standard. Wireless inductive charging won’t take over for a long time because it’s limited in speed, and WiFi/Bluetooth are much slower for data transfer.
AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Idk about the wifi thing, my phone should technically be able to do >500 Mbps to my computer yet it still transfers files at like 10 over wifi or usb
500 would be more than good enough but 10 is not
(It’s a OnePlus 12, age is not the issue)
I would also dislike the loss but I don’t think data speed is really the issue. Mostly that I couldn’t connect peripherals like my flash drive or sd card anymore
isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
take manufacturer’s claims
divide by 10
half it
half it again
you now have the max your device will ever reach, with the usual speeds being ~60% of that
(my isp says 300mbps, divide by 10, half, half, 7,5mbps, which i think i never saw since the speeds are actually from 3 to 4)
trepX@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Wifi is generally faster though, at least from phones. They often have horrible data transfer with MTP, and use USB2.0, so maybe 20-30MB/s real-world. Wifi is much faster, I usually get double that or more on my phone. Way more fun to transfer videos etc, and you don’t need to plug it to another device to push something to network storage.
jnod4@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
How one would cut and paste videos from an android to a pc?
buttnugget@lemmy.world 8 months ago
USB-C is just the connector type, not a particular speed.
jaykrown@lemmy.world 8 months ago
True, I appreciate the correction, the actual data transfer speed is determined by the USB version.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Should we tell them about usb d?
Jankatarch@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Is there any actual benefit for wireless charging? You still need to plug the charger somewhere and just feels like more expensive way that’s prone to more problems.
I am all for “research for the sake of research is enough and needs no further justification.” But I still feel like I am missing something here. Why are companies producing and selling it? Am I dumb?
Only scenario it seems useful is that you can replace your phone’s USB hardware with a small badUSB and rely on wireless charger while cops wonder why they can’t investigate your files on their device.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 8 months ago
Wireless charging is nice for when you’re using your phone infrequently, such as at your desk while you’re working on something else. It sits there charging, you grab it to respond to a message then set it back down. No tail to worry about, it’s not getting tangled on other wires when you dare to move your phone, etc.
It’s really a feature I never cared about until I got a wireless charger as a gift
Tomato666@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
I’ve had several phone where the USB socket stops working reliably. At that point it’s easier to use a wireless charger.
Yes, it’s usually pocket fluff in the socket and it can be picked out, but it takes some time and care to avoid damaging the socket.
My latest case (Otter) also has a cover that is awkward to open to plug in the lead, so there’s that too.
As a bonus the charger works with Apple and Android so very convenient as my kids are Macolytes.
Saleh@feddit.org 8 months ago
It also is less energy efficient as running the juice directly through a cable of course is more efficient than creating a magnetic field that then induces juice on the other side to flow again.
It should be said that this is the principle of transformers, but they are built in an efficient way for it.
squaresinger@lemmy.world 8 months ago
There’s the regular wireless charging where you need to put the phone on exactly the right position. That one is totally useless, since it’s even less flexible than cable charging. The only upside is that you don’t need to physically insert the cable. That’s pretty much worthless.
There’s another setup that allows you to charge over a larger area, e.g. a whole desk. That is expensive and/or much work, since it needs to be integrated into the whole area (e.g. desk) and it’s incredibly wasteful in terms of energy consumption that doesn’t actually end up charging the phone.
The only real upside I can see of wireless charging is that you can use it if your USB C port is worn out and doesn’t work any more.
JustARegularNerd@aussie.zone 8 months ago
I guess from a consumer perspective, it can be more convenient (e.g. wireless charging in a car)
For me, I see it as a way to reduce wear on a charging port, or as an alternative if the port does fail.
I like it for the latter as I don’t like my devices to be inefficient but it makes me feel better that should the USB-C fail on my phone, it’s not game over for my phone.
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
No exposed hardware ports seems to be the direction it’s been moving towards
jol@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
You’ll have to convince the EU to change the USB-C rule.
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 8 months ago
USB-Cya
Grizzlyboy@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
4-5 years ago I stopped buying products that had micro-usb, lightning or any other form of port that wasn’t usb C.
Last week I was looking at a gadget and it had micro-fucking-usb and was produced in early 25! What the fuck?!
Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 8 months ago
Yeah the planes I’ve been flying on have had usb in seats now, the plans ate old I’m sure but it’s just in time for me to have usbc to c cables and can’t use them still haha
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 8 months ago
This implies you have at least 100 chargers and 1 isn’t USB C
rumba@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
USBC has done something truly amazing. You used to be able to tell within reason what the capabilities of USB were by the connector or the color of the port. Now there’s dozens of options and there’s hardly anyway for you to tell what cable and port support what features.
Maybe your port and charger can throw out 20 volts at 3 and 1/2 amps. Maybe you can throw out 20 volts at 6 amps (dell) maybe your device doesn’t negotiate correctly and they say to only use an a-c cable
Don’t get me wrong, I love the port. Multidirectional, doesn’t really wear out, does have a tendency to get a little dirty though. Lightning was a little more forgiving on dirt.
Labeling on the ports are all vague labeling on the cables is non-uniform or not existent.
But, truth is they probably come up with half a dozen specs for USBC that half your it doesn’t support. And they’ll probably come out with God knows how many more before they Make a new connector.
thesohoriots@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I can only dream of FireWire’s return
Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I spent 40 years in the computer industry. I learned one thing very early on.
The only standard in the computer industry is that there isn’t one.
dinckelman@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The connector itself is perfectly fine, which is incredible, and exactly what people wanted. Plus there’s a ton of room for technological improvement under the hood, if needed. USB/Thunderbolt standards spread for a whole range of specs now, all under the Type-C connector
laserwash2000@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Everyone around the world is benefiting from the EU common charger law: …europa.eu/…/eu-common-charger-rules-power-all-yo…
j4k3@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Not unless they want to go bigger. The USB-C pin pitch is too closely spaced for the lowest tier of printed circuit boards from all major board houses.
You might have some chargers get deprecated eventually because there are two major forms of smart charging. The first type is done in discrete larger steps like 5v, 9v, 15v, or 21v. But there is another type that is not well advertised publicly in hype marketing nonsense and is somewhat hit or miss if the PD controller actually has the mode. That mode is continuously adjustable.
The power drop losses from something like 5v to 3v3 requires a lot of overbuilding of components for heat dissipation. The required linear regular may only have a drop of 0.4-1.2 volts from input to stable output. Building for more of a drop is just waste heat. If the charge controller can monitor the input quality and request only the required voltage for the drop with a small safety margin, components can be made smaller and cheaper. The mode to support this in USB-C exists. I think it is called PPS if I recall correctly. A month or two back I watched someone build a little electronics bench power supply using this mode of USB-C PD.
FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world 8 months ago
USB-D’s NUTS