@Davriellelouna I am sure it was all monitored in real time and a revised algorithm will be included in a future update.
Tesla In 'Self-Drive Mode' Hit By Train After Turning Onto Train Tracks
Submitted 9 hours ago by Davriellelouna@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.jalopnik.com/1887837/tesla-in-self-driving-mode-hit-by-train/
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nanook@friendica.eskimo.com 43 minutes ago
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Paraphrasing:
“We only have the driver’s word they were in self driving mode…”
“This isn’t the first time a Tesla has driven onto train tracks…”
Since it isn’t the first time I’m gonna go ahead and believe the driver, thanks.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
Furthermore, with the amount of telemetry that those cars have The company knows whether it was in self drive or not when it went onto the track. So the fact that they didn’t go public saying it wasn’t means that it was in self-drive mode and they want to save the PR face and liability.
IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I have a nephew that worked at Tesla as a software engineer for a couple years (he left about a year ago). I gave him the VIN to my Tesla and the amount of data he shared with me was crazy. He warned me that one of my brake lights was regularly logging errors. If their telemetry includes that sort of information then clearly they are logging a LOT of data.
catloaf@lemm.ee 7 hours ago
I’ve heard they also like to disengage self-driving mode right before a collision.
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
Since the story has 3 separate incidents where “the driver let their Tesla turn left onto some railroad tracks” I’m going to posit:
Teslas on self-drive mode will turn left onto railroad tracks unless forcibly restrained.
Prove me wrong, Tesla
Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Map data obtained and converted from other formats often ends up accidentally condensing labeling categories. One result is train tracks being categorized as generic roads instead of retaining their specific sub-heading. Another, unrelated to this, but common for people that play geo games is when forests and water areas end up being tagged as the wrong specific types.
AA5B@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I mean …… Tesla self driving allegedly did this three times in three years but we don’t yet have public data to verify that’s what happened nor do we in any way compare it to what human drivers do.
Although one of the many ways I think I’m an above average driver (just like everyone else) is that people do a lot of stupid things at railroad crossings and I never would
XeroxCool@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
The ~2010 runaway Toyota hysteria was ultimately blamed on mechanical problems less than half the time. Floor mats jamming the pedal, drivers mixing up gas/brake pedals in panic, downright lying to evade a speeding ticket, etc were cause for many cases.
Should a manufacturer be held accountable for legitimate flaws? Absolutely. Should drivers be absolved without the facts just because we don’t like a company? I don’t think so. But if Tesla has proof fsd was off, we’ll know in a minute when they invade the driver’s privacy and release driving events
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Tesla has constantly lied about their FSD for a decade. We don’t trust them because they are untrustworthy, not because we don’t like them.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
The ~2010 runaway Toyota hysteria was ultimately blamed on mechanical problems less than half the time. Floor mats jamming the pedal, drivers mixing up gas/brake pedals in panic, downright lying to evade a speeding ticket, etc were cause for many cases.
I owned an FJ80 Land Cruiser when that happened. I printed up a couple stickers for myself, and for a buddy who owned a Tacoma, that said “I’m not speeding, my pedal’s stuck!” (yes I’m aware the FJ80 was slow as dogshit, that didn’t stop me from speeding).
TheKingBee@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Maybe I’m missing something, but isn’t it trivial to take it out of their bullshit dangerous “FSD” mode and take control? How does a car go approximately 40-50 feet down the tracks without the driver noticing?
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
On some railroad crossings you might only need to go off the crossing to get stuck in the tracks and unable to back out. Trying to get out is another 30-40 feet.
Being caught off guard when the car isn’t supposed to do that is how to get stuck in the first place. Yeah, terrible driver trusting shit technology.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 8 hours ago
I mean… I have seen some REALLY REALLY stupid drivers so I could totally see multiple people thinking they found a short cut or not realizing the road they are supposed to be on is 20 feet to the left and there is a reason their phone is losing its shit all while their suspension is getting destroyed.
But yeah. It is the standard tesla corp MO. They detect a dangerous situation and disable all the “self driving”. Obviously because it is up to the driver to handle it and not because they want the legal protection to say it wasn’t their fault.
AA5B@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
At my local commuter rail station the entrance to the parking lot is immediately next to the track. It’s easily within margin of error for GPS and if you’re only focusing immediately in front of you the pavement at the entrance probably look similar.
There are plenty of cues so don’t rolled shouldn’t be fooled but perhaps FSD wouldn’t pay attention to them since it’s a bit of an outlier.
That being said, I almost got my Subaru stuck once because an ATV trail looked like the dirt road to a campsite from the GPS, and I missed any cues there may have been
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
It simply saw a superior technology and decided to attack.
LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 43 minutes ago
No amount of upvotes will give this comment the praise it deserves.
TeddE@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
That … tracks
pyre@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
smeenz@lemmy.nz 4 hours ago
Full stream ahead with the train puns
D_C@lemm.ee 2 hours ago
Whoa, that typo nearly knocked this discussion off the rails…
shaggyb@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Driver failed to control their car and avoid a collision.
FTFY.
I’m sure the car did actually take the action. But there are TONS of unavoidable warnings and reminders to the driver to supervise and take control when FSD goes wrong.
Which you can do by such super-technical means as “hitting the brake” or “steering the other way” or “flipping the right stalk up”. Rocket science, I know.
Driver’s fault. Bad technology, yes. Worse driver.
LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 45 minutes ago
You’re absolutely right. The problem is, as per the article, they’re about to roll out “robotaxis” in Austin - a densely populated, multi-lane shitshow.
Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 45 minutes ago
I’d have bailed out and waited for the insurance check. Then got a different car.
shaggyb@lemmy.world 36 minutes ago
I wouldn’t have had time between pumping iron and getting head, myself.
altphoto@lemmy.today 1 hour ago
Honey, are those train tracks? … Yes looks like we’ll turn left on to the tracks for 1/2 a mile. Its a detour.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
How the fuck do you let any level 2 system go 40 to 50 fucking feet down the railroad tracks.
We’re they asleep?
MBech@feddit.dk 5 hours ago
I’m not sure I’d be able to sleep through driving on the railroad tracks. I’m going to guess this person was simply incredibly fucking stupid, and thought the car would figure it out, instead of doing the bare fucking minimum of driving their goddamn 2 ton heavy death machine themself.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
LOL right? Like deciding to see what the car will do ON RAILWAY TRACKS is absolutely fucking bonkers.
Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml 4 hours ago
I was gonna say it’s not so much the fact that the car was hit by a train, but that it turned on to the tracks …but 40 or 50 feet?
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Cop: WTF happened here?
Driver: It drove itself onto the tracks
Cop: Okay, but what about the other 49 feet of the 50 feet it’s on the tracks?
Driver: …
domi@lemmy.secnd.me 3 hours ago
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
LOL wasn’t expecting that.
merdaverse@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Damn. I hope the train is ok
EtherWhack@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Meanwhile my sister’s fiancee drank the whole pitcher and is back working there totally believing Elon is some super genius and that the cars are capable of full self-driving. (I really have to bite my tongue when listening to him)
My camry can self-drive too, same outcome. (just off a cliff, rather than in front of a train)
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 9 hours ago
Teslas do still have steering wheels, after all
You don’t say!
sundray@lemmus.org 6 hours ago
Car drove itself on to the tracks, gets hit by a train. This is some Maximum Overdrive shit.
XeroxCool@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
If only there was a way to avoid the place where trains drive.
I checked first. They didn’t make a turn into a crossing. It turned onto the tracks. Jalopnik says there’s no official statement that it was actually driving under FSD(elusion) but if it was strictly under human driving (or FSD turned itself off after driving off) I guarantee Tesla will invade privacy and slander the driver by next day for the sake of court of public opinion
egrets@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
They didn’t make a turn into a crossing. It turned onto the tracks.
Just to be clear for others, it did so at a crossing. That’s still obviously not what it should have done and it’s no defence of the self-driving feature, but I read your comment as suggesting it had found its way onto train tracks by some other route.
XeroxCool@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Thanks. I could have clarified better myself. I meant “didn’t turn from a rail-parallel road onto a crossing to be met by a train it couldn’t reasonably detect due to bad road design”
BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 2 hours ago
New food chain just dropped
PartyAt15thAndSummit@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
Deregulation, ain’t it great.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
I’ll just fork it; we can do better than this.
TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 9 hours ago
Tesla’s self-driving is pretty shite but they seem to have a particular problem with railway crossings, as also pointed out in the article. Of all of the obstacles for the self-driving system to fail to detect, the several thousand tons of moving steel is probably one of the worst outcomes.
kautau@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Maybe if they use LIDAR like they should have instead of just cameras it wouldn’t be such an issue, but they’re determined to minimize costs and maximize profits at the expense of consumers as are all publicly traded companies
Empricorn@feddit.nl 3 hours ago
You don’t understand. Musk likes how they look, we can’t disturb that for “safety”!
PattyMcB@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
That, and little kids… and motorcycles… and school busses
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
Don’t forget “styrofoam walls painted to look like tunnels”
skvlp@lemm.ee 9 hours ago
Working as expected then.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 7 hours ago
What a cool and futuristic car. It’s all computer!
I’m still waiting for Elon’s car to drive onto train tracks.
billwashere@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
And who is going to willingly get into a Tesla Taxi?!?!
PattyMcB@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
You still don’t have to get in for one to hit you. I ride a motorcycle and I’m always sketched out when there’s a Tesla behind me
billwashere@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Very true.
Empricorn@feddit.nl 3 hours ago
I won’t get in one because I’m not giving a single dollar of business to Musk. He can go jump up his own asshole.
billwashere@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Also a very valid point.
Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 7 hours ago
At this point, if anybody buys one of these vehicles from Tesla, they absolutely deserve what they get. It is absurd.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Can’t wait to hop in a Robotaxi! /s
What’s that? They’ll have human drivers in them? Still maybe no.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Pretty sure this one also had a driver in it.
jsomae@lemmy.ml 7 hours ago
Self-driving not being reliable yet is one of the biggest disappointments of the last decade.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
What did we even do all those ReCAPTCHAs for
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
You could not pay me to drive a Tesla.
sturmblast@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Tesla’s are death traps.
Rooskie91@discuss.online 8 hours ago
How symbolic
Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 21 minutes ago
Also, the robotaxi has been live for all of a day and there’s already footage of it driving on the wrong side of the road: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s-h0YXtF0c&t=420s