Paraphrasing:
“We only have the driver’s word they were in self driving mode…”
“This isn’t the first time a Tesla has driven onto train tracks…”
Since it isn’t the first time I’m gonna go ahead and believe the driver, thanks.
Tesla In 'Self-Drive Mode' Hit By Train After Turning Onto Train Tracks
Submitted 11 months ago by Davriellelouna@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.jalopnik.com/1887837/tesla-in-self-driving-mode-hit-by-train/
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spankmonkey@lemmy.world 11 months ago
TheKingBee@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Maybe I’m missing something, but isn’t it trivial to take it out of their bullshit dangerous “FSD” mode and take control? How does a car go approximately 40-50 feet down the tracks without the driver noticing?
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 11 months ago
On some railroad crossings you might only need to go off the crossing to get stuck in the tracks and unable to back out. Trying to get out is another 30-40 feet.
Being caught off guard when the car isn’t supposed to do that is how to get stuck in the first place. Yeah, terrible driver trusting shit technology.
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Since the story has 3 separate incidents where “the driver let their Tesla turn left onto some railroad tracks” I’m going to posit:
Teslas on self-drive mode will turn left onto railroad tracks unless forcibly restrained.
Prove me wrong, Tesla
Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Map data obtained and converted from other formats often ends up accidentally condensing labeling categories. One result is train tracks being categorized as generic roads instead of retaining their specific sub-heading. Another, unrelated to this, but common for people that play geo games is when forests and water areas end up being tagged as the wrong specific types.
AA5B@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I mean …… Tesla self driving allegedly did this three times in three years but we don’t yet have public data to verify that’s what happened nor do we in any way compare it to what human drivers do.
Although one of the many ways I think I’m an above average driver (just like everyone else) is that people do a lot of stupid things at railroad crossings and I never would
Pika@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Furthermore, with the amount of telemetry that those cars have The company knows whether it was in self drive or not when it went onto the track. So the fact that they didn’t go public saying it wasn’t means that it was in self-drive mode and they want to save the PR face and liability.
catloaf@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I’ve heard they also like to disengage self-driving mode right before a collision.
IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I have a nephew that worked at Tesla as a software engineer for a couple years (he left about a year ago). I gave him the VIN to my Tesla and the amount of data he shared with me was crazy. He warned me that one of my brake lights was regularly logging errors. If their telemetry includes that sort of information then clearly they are logging a LOT of data.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
I mean… I have seen some REALLY REALLY stupid drivers so I could totally see multiple people thinking they found a short cut or not realizing the road they are supposed to be on is 20 feet to the left and there is a reason their phone is losing its shit all while their suspension is getting destroyed.
But yeah. It is the standard tesla corp MO. They detect a dangerous situation and disable all the “self driving”. Obviously because it is up to the driver to handle it and not because they want the legal protection to say it wasn’t their fault.
AA5B@lemmy.world 11 months ago
At my local commuter rail station the entrance to the parking lot is immediately next to the track. It’s easily within margin of error for GPS and if you’re only focusing immediately in front of you the pavement at the entrance probably look similar.
There are plenty of cues so don’t rolled shouldn’t be fooled but perhaps FSD wouldn’t pay attention to them since it’s a bit of an outlier.
That being said, I almost got my Subaru stuck once because an ATV trail looked like the dirt road to a campsite from the GPS, and I missed any cues there may have been
XeroxCool@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The ~2010 runaway Toyota hysteria was ultimately blamed on mechanical problems less than half the time. Floor mats jamming the pedal, drivers mixing up gas/brake pedals in panic, downright lying to evade a speeding ticket, etc were cause for many cases.
Should a manufacturer be held accountable for legitimate flaws? Absolutely. Should drivers be absolved without the facts just because we don’t like a company? I don’t think so. But if Tesla has proof fsd was off, we’ll know in a minute when they invade the driver’s privacy and release driving events
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
The ~2010 runaway Toyota hysteria was ultimately blamed on mechanical problems less than half the time. Floor mats jamming the pedal, drivers mixing up gas/brake pedals in panic, downright lying to evade a speeding ticket, etc were cause for many cases.
I owned an FJ80 Land Cruiser when that happened. I printed up a couple stickers for myself, and for a buddy who owned a Tacoma, that said “I’m not speeding, my pedal’s stuck!” (yes I’m aware the FJ80 was slow as dogshit, that didn’t stop me from speeding).
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Tesla has constantly lied about their FSD for a decade. We don’t trust them because they are untrustworthy, not because we don’t like them.
TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Tesla’s self-driving is pretty shite but they seem to have a particular problem with railway crossings, as also pointed out in the article. Of all of the obstacles for the self-driving system to fail to detect, the several thousand tons of moving steel is probably one of the worst outcomes.
PattyMcB@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That, and little kids… and motorcycles… and school busses
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Don’t forget “styrofoam walls painted to look like tunnels”
kautau@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Maybe if they use LIDAR like they should have instead of just cameras it wouldn’t be such an issue, but they’re determined to minimize costs and maximize profits at the expense of consumers as are all publicly traded companies
Empricorn@feddit.nl 11 months ago
You don’t understand. Musk likes how they look, we can’t disturb that for “safety”!
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Can’t wait to hop in a Robotaxi! /s
What’s that? They’ll have human drivers in them? Still maybe no.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Pretty sure this one also had a driver in it.
skvlp@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Working as expected then.
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 11 months ago
Teslas do still have steering wheels, after all
You don’t say!
XeroxCool@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If only there was a way to avoid the place where trains drive.
I checked first. They didn’t make a turn into a crossing. It turned onto the tracks. Jalopnik says there’s no official statement that it was actually driving under FSD(elusion) but if it was strictly under human driving (or FSD turned itself off after driving off) I guarantee Tesla will invade privacy and slander the driver by next day for the sake of court of public opinion
egrets@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Just to be clear for others, it did so at a crossing. That’s still obviously not what it should have done and it’s no defence of the self-driving feature, but I read your comment as suggesting it had found its way onto train tracks by some other route.
XeroxCool@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Thanks. I could have clarified better myself. I meant “didn’t turn from a rail-parallel road onto a crossing to be met by a train it couldn’t reasonably detect due to bad road design”