Why is the progress pride flag so poorly designed (especially the intersex progress pride flag)? Will it be redesigned?

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I really don’t like the design of the progress pride flag, and I couldn’t really put my finger on it until I saw this: nava.org/good-flag-bad-flag

For reference, here is the flag I’m referencing as “bad flag” Image

And here is the original: Image

So, the original has too many colors, but it’s the colors of the rainbow. In order. It’s recognizable from really far away, and it’s dead simple to draw.

With the Intersex flag, that’s 14 colors. There are three shades of “purple”. The circle won’t be visible from far away. The chevrons are too thin to be very recognizable from far away.

It’s not like there aren’t good pride flags. Like there are AMAZING ones: Image Image Image Image Image Image Image

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Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
I think it’s basically just “feature creep.” Too many ideas trying to be crammed into one symbol. And what’s annoying, to me, is that the rainbow by itself was already supposed to represent everyone. That’s why it is a rainbow.

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- scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  It’s the same phenomenon as “LGBTQI+”
  
  It was literally LGB at one point. I understand the concept of inclusion but I think pursuing it by appending and appending and appending is a lousy way to go. I believe the “Q” was finally added in part because it was hoped to be some kind of catch-all, but that didn’t work.
  
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  - match@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I propose reducing it down to QT
    
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  - Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    We could always use the GRSM acronym (Gender, Romantic, and Sexual Minorities)
    
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  - Venator@lemmy.nz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Maybe we should shorten it to Q++ 😅 (j/k)
    
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- hddsx@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  I guess I would like to schedule a meting with the project manager and/or customer to discuss the flag specification…
  
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  - nomy@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Make sure someone takes minutes so we can maximize our synergies and deliverables.
    
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- mienshao@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Why is this upvoted so much? Do you know anything about the Pride flag? Each color represented a particular concept (e.g., sex, sunlight, nature). The colors mean something and weren’t just a catch-all concept to “represent everyone.” Like you’re just saying shit lol. The fact that I see this dumbass discourse EVERY YEAR tells me that maybe it’s not just aesthetics that folks are complaining about, I think some people are bitches and don’t wanna make room. The Progress Pride flag is great and makes clear that it really is for everyone, not just gay men. Get over yourself fr.
  
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  - Acamon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    The original Pride flag was designed with eight colours, but quickly moved to six and seven stripes because of issues with sourcing dyes and mass production. As others have said, each colour did have a specific meaning like Sex, Life, Harmony, Art, Sunlight. These were aspects of the queer community, but they did not mean specific or narrow identities, and did not only describe ‘gay’ or ‘lesbian’ people.
    
    In the words of Gilbert Baker (who designed the initial flag) “We needed something beautiful – something from us, and the rainbow is so perfect because it really fits our diversity in the sense of our race, our gender, all of those things.” Since then people have added specific colours and extra features to draw attention to identities that they felt were undervalued or overlooked, which is laudable goal, but not because the original did not include everyone.
    
    You’re throwing around a lot of strong negative claims about the discussion here, if you really want to make a case that the meaning of original flag did not include queer people who were black or whatever, please bring some sources. And just to note, personally I actually like the chevrons of the Progress flag, but that doesn’t invalidate people claiming that the original flag included everyone.
    
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  - tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Hot pink - Sex
    Red - Life
    Orange - Healing
    Yellow - Sunlight
    Green - Nature
    Turquoise - Magic/Art
    Indigo - Serenity
    Violet - Spirit
    
    Ao I’m seeing on Wikipedia that the original colors represented stuff like sunlight and life. Who was excluded by these categories?
    
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- sixty@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  KOLANAKI
  
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Hugin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I’m of the option that the original rainbow flag is still the best. It was meant to include everyone under the rainbow so trans people and others are already included.

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- JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  The Progress flag stands for the progress that has been made and the progress that STILL NEEDS TO BE MADE against racism and transphobia as well as memorializing those we lost to AIDS.
  
  So yes, while the original flag is meant to include all the LGBT+ communities, progress stands for more than inclusion for a lot of us ✌️
  
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  - Hugin@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    My problems with the progress flag and the trans rainbow flag are not with the groups or ideas they are ment to express.
    
    First like OP I think they are bad flag designs. To busy and lack the simple design a flag should have. I also just don’t like the look.
    
    Second there is value in a consistent recognizable design like the rainbow. I spot all sorts of variants and often don’t know what they are supposed to mean.
    
    I also don’t think there should be spefic meaning to the parts. Saying this color stripe is this group and that color is another group is problematic.
    
    The rainbow colors were meant to symbolize broad inclusion. Everybody under the rainbow. Red isn’t gay, blue isn’t lesbian, etc. (I know some have tried to add that after the fact).
    
    When you start adding spefic groups to the flag you start having included groups and excluded groups. So as much as I support trans rights and think they belong in the community I don’t want any spefic group in the flag.
    
    You then get groups that are not included and want a new flag to included them. Like we are seeing with the trans flag causing groups to want the progress flag. Pretty soon the rainbow is going to look like nascar with logos everywhere.
    
    A simple consistent flag with the message of broad inclusion is better.
    
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- jsomae@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Was it meant to represent black and indigenous people?
  
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  - pineapplelover@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Does it need to?
    
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Yermaw@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Thats way too busy. Should definitely just keep the rainbow flag. Not every little niche needs specific representation, just have the rainbow as a catchall for any kind of deviation from heterosex

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- Railison@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  I thought the rainbow was supposed to mean it encompassed everyone.
  
  The colours on the flag apparently weren’t sufficiently inclusive so perhaps this should be the next flag:
  
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  - Draegur@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    this fails to capture the grades of saturation.
    
    Here is every color in the RGB (#000000-#FFFFFF) color space arranged sequentially on a Hilbert curve (but scaled down to 512x512)
    
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  - cecilkorik@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I would absolutely and unironically fly this flag, although to be even more inclusive it also needs an alpha layer. Perhaps it should be a cube? Actually even that might not be inclusive enough, we need more dimensions. BRB I need to figure out how to attach a tesseract to my flagpole, I guess I'll need some kind of gordian knot?
    
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  - Asetru@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Black and white are pretty overrepresented there though. Turning this into a sphere might help?
    
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  - mienshao@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    God this website is just like reddit. Dumbasses just saying shit. No, the original Pride flag had 8 colors, and each color had a specific meaning. It wasn’t just “to encompass everyone.” Like what the hell, lemmy? Why are we doing bogus discourse on here too? Every year I gotta deal with a bunch of fucking straights dumping on the Progress Pride flag—seriously go fuck yourselves.
    
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  - Venator@lemmy.nz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    But that doesn’t include infrared or ultraviolet 🤣
    
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- phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Wasn’t the entire idea of the rainbow flag to just say “this includes everyone”, to be inclusive?
  
  Then people started “well red is this, yellow is that, green is that …” Making the entire thing as exclusive as can be, now requiring a color and or symbol for each and every tiny different identity they were trying to be
  
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  - SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    
    Then people started “well red is this, yellow is that, green is that …”
    
    But the stripes always meant something:
    
    Hot pink = Sex Red = Life
    Orange = Healing Yellow = Sunlight
    Green = Nature Turquoise = Magic/Art Indigo = Serenity Violet = Spirit
    
    Flags being symbolic was never the issue. The progress flag was made in lieu of black, trans, and intersex queer USAmericans being excluded from big, corporate backed, pride events, which brought to the fore, a slew of intra-queer tensions.
    
    By making this new flag, it was a way of symbolically coming together. And it’s stuck around because of, well… Everything going on lately.
    
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- Kaboom@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Imo, the rainbow flag is perfectly inclusive. By focusing on one minority, you make it less diverse and less inclusive.
  
  Rainbow flag is best
  
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- november@lemmy.vg ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  deviation from heterosex
  
  Totally normal words to say. BTW trans and intersex people can still be straight.
  
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  - Yermaw@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Better get it on the flag then ig
    
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- saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  They all sprung up in that period where flags were trendy. Every little camp had to have one to feel like a singled-out tribe—and, no, this isn’t just kink flags. This meant many would be flag designers overnight.
  
  The result is there’s some really fugly designs out there in the wild now and the idiots can’t go back. But most people are over flag phase now, so you’re unlikely to ever see this and most others out in the wild.
  
  Nothing fails more at its job than a pride flag that people have no idea what is. It’s almost irony.
  
  And is this one ugly? Oh, yes. Enough to turn a person straight.
  
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  - AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    The solution is inheritance. If you want a more specific flag, inherit from the rainbow, but add an insignia. Now you have a unifying flag that is more meaningful. Also you can skip the complexity of trying to make everyone stand out because the rainbow is all inclusive.
    
    For example, I also like the pink triangle pirate flag. If you want a gay flag, take the rainbow and add that pirate insignia. Think like the US flag which is also a bunch of stripes but with some star insignia. Now you have one clear insignia on a field of inclusiveness
    
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- hddsx@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Here’s the thing though, I know this is an ally flag, but it’s like they never considered symbols:
  
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  Ignore the really bad black and white background for a second.
  
  Imagine the left side of the shape is an homage to the original pride flag and the right side is WHATEVER YOU WANT TO PUT IN IT. Uniform clean design with representation. Easy to draw for the layman (fill both sides in with rainbow if you want), and easy to add specific representation
  
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JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
What annoys me about takes like this is that it seems to be appealing to some sort of council of gays who are in charge of the flags. Nobody is. There’s no “official” flag. If you don’t like the progress flag or the intersex version of it then just don’t fly them or design your own that you do like. Nobody is stopping you. A ton of the pride flags in use today are just designed by random Tumblr users in the mid '10s. Which is fine, not hating on them, just making sure you know there is nothing stopping you from making one you like or flying the ones you prefer.

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- jsomae@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  This is the very reason I’m surprised. These flags come and go by the winds of memetics; so why is it that this design is somehow able to propagate so well despite being so clearly visually incoherent?
  
  I’m not necessarily complaining, I’m just astonished that it caught on. Like imagine if a really discordant and structureless song became super popular.
  
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  - JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    I fly the original pride progress flag on my house and I really like it. If it is shocking to you that not everyone agrees with what makes a flag look good look no further than the US’s state flags. They’re a mess. They’re all over the place. People have different tastes. I think the “state seal on blue background” is bad but clearly enough people in those places don’t dislike it enough to change it.
    
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Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
It was poorly designed ever since they added the chevrons. The six colour pride flag was already pushing it with having six colours, but it pulled it off well and made it work. But anything else just screws it up.

Personally, I think adding intersex, transgender, black people(???) makes it seem as if they WEREN’T included in the original. I was always under the impression that the 🏳️‍🌈 flag included the whole LGBTQ+ groupings

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- Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Same here, I don’t understand the need to include ethnicity in a gender and sexuality flag. The flag was fine and already represented diversity. The fuck?
  
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  - Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Also very america-centric. Different races are oppressed in different places.
    
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- SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Weirdly , I think the chevron works. But instead of adding all of the extra stripes , I think it would have been better to make the chevron a single color.
  
  Gilbert Baker, before he died, added a lavender stripe to the original flag to for ‘diversity’. I say we blend the chevron with Baker’s vision and have it be a singular lavender color
  
  That said, while I think that would be more aesthetically pleasing, I have come around on the progress pride flag in the same way that I like the flag of Maryland. It’s so busy that it’s circled around from being ugly to charming.
  
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pyre@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
it’s a long time meme that pretty much all LGBT flags are awfully designed. but they also got wide acceptance so it’s hard to redesign.

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- hddsx@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  flagsforgood.com/collections/pride-flags
  
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FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
You are judging work by somebody who doesn’t feel compelled to follow guidelines made by other people with those very same guidelines. Those other people looked much more closely at flags for geographical entities, not movements, to come up with their guidelines. No one is required to follow them or retroactively abide by them. They are a great style guide but not the law.

Every flag serves a purpose. This flag’s purpose is to show representation by color and design for everyone in the community. It’s was the point to be busy.

Why don’t they just stick with the rainbow flag? Because the idea of the rainbow encompassing everyone was made at a time when gay and lesbians came out with pride but many of the letters that abbreviate that community today were still marginalized more harshly, maybe even within homosexual circles. They weren’t all suddenly anthropists and free from discriminatory points of view. Development of ideas and communities takes time. And that’s why an artist took ideas from many different flags that were created over time and combined them into one. It is eye catchy and instantly recognizable, even at a medium distance still.

I don’t find the result aesthetically pleasing either. But I recognize a) that wasn’t the point of it and b) I’m not a member of the LGBTQ+ community. If from within that community a movement rises to change the flag into something else, by all means. Other than that my design opinions - and I suspect many other ones in this thread - are largely academic and frankly irrelevant.

Good flag bad flag is not the gospel. Take it as a starting point for new designs but don’t scrutinize all existing flags by it.

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- eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  You really nailed how a lot of trans and poc queer people feel about the Rainbow flag; it mostly represents cis white well off gay men and lesbian women, and implies everybody else.
  
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Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Ugly flags & the LGBT+ community, name a more iconic duo. Like, I thought we had designers amongst us, whatever happened to them?

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- Sidhean@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  But you see, Graphic Design is their passion!
  
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sprite0@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
i just learned last week about the original lesbian flag:

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and i gotta say it’s amazing

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- captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Fair warning with that one, its really cool looking but mostly popular with trans lesbians and terfs.
  
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  - sprite0@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    as a trans lesbian… ok that tracks. but a warning??
    
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  - SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    I’ve seen TERFs use it less, as they’ve started to win the “trans debate” less of a need to disguise their shit as “protecting lesbians”
    
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daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Rainbow flag is cool. 🏳️‍🌈

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- Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  New pride flag Image
  
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november@lemmy.vg ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
“Good Flag Bad Flag” is a bunch of people’s opinions. It’s not any kind of official flag rule book, because there is no such thing.

I think the progress pride flag is fine.

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- filcuk@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Only to a degree. Good flags are simple, distinct, memorable, easy to recognise from a distance, easy to recreate.
  There are plenty of objectively bad flags out there that fail in their design, yet people still like them, and that is fine.
  
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jsomae@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
The progress flag is copyrighted by one Daniel Quasar, and he sporadically exercises his copyright on people who use the sell designs involving the progress flag. Or so I’ve heard. Anyway, for this reason, I avoid using it.

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- kux@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  i was sceptical of this claim but it appears you’re dead right
  
  Most people do not know about this flag’s origins. Its creator appropriated Gilbert Baker’s 1978 rainbow flag and the light blue, pink, and white stripes from the 1999 trans pride flag created by Monica Helms (without even a call to her), and the black and brown stripes from the 2017 More Colors More Pride Flag designed in partnership with Philadelphia’s Office of LGBT Affairs and then proceeded to LICENSE THE DESIGN FOR PROFIT
  
  gaycitynews.com/we-need-walk-away-progress-profit…
  
  rest of the article is interesting too
  
  this just makes it all the more baffling that this graphic-design-is-my-passion gaudy clashing mess of a flag is the one you see everywhere now
  
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  - hddsx@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    That’s wild. I would have retained the copyright too, but for the purpose of suing the fuck out of people who misuse it
    
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- JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  The primary reason it’s copyrighted is to prevent corporations from profiting off of it.
  
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  - jsomae@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    and…?
    
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RabbitMix@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I’m pretty picky about flags but I like the progress pride flag well enough. not over the moon about it, but I fly it outside my house during June. If you can make a better one, it’s always okay to attempt to do so.

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FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Americans love to subdivide themselves, and that’s especially true for activists. The flag reflects that.

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- amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  garbage opinion, you’re the kinda person that’d take issue with Black Lives Matter because you assume that implies white lives are inferior.
  
  also, the progress flag is flown worldwide at Pride so you’re just spreading misinformation
  
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  - FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Thank you for your opinion. I hope you have a pleasant day.
    
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hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Its purpose isn’t to be aesthetically pleasing. Trans people and POC are constantly discriminated against by other queers, and intersex people rarely are even acknowledged to exist at all, let alone treated as anything else than disgusting or sex object.

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- hddsx@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  This here boggles my mind. Why would you discriminate against others when you yourself know what discrimination feels like?
  
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  - Pipster@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Some think they can curry favour by thowing the bigots a bone. The ‘LGB drop the T’ group can fly under a radar for a bit by piling in on the most hated upon group but don’t seem to realise that they will be squarely back in their sights once the job is done…
    
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  - hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Strange is the world of bigotry.
    
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GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
That’s not actually the original pride flag. That’s the one with 2 mission stripes that were taken away due to cost. The original had turquoise instead of blue and a pink and indigo stripe, so one color more than the rainbow. Rainbows have red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet.

The 8 striped also symbolized different things. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_(LGBTQ)

I agree with what you’re saying. As they keep adding more things to the flag, it becomes cluttered and harder to see.

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agent_nycto@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Why does everyone complain about the progress flag when the poly flag is right there and is terrible? Absolute garbage. Terrible color choices. Barely holds up to heraldic color rules. and Pi? Seriously? Get out of here you fucking nerd. 2/10, workshop it and come back. I hate it.

I’m cool with poly people, this is just the flag equivalent of biting your tongue when eating a burrito.

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- Lumisal@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  That’s the old secret code one. The new one is listed in this post already
  
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  - agent_nycto@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Seen it, is better, not heraldic, still hate the old one so much. Secret my ass everyone knew what that flag meant
    
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  - Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Oh yeah that’s so much better
    
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- TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  downvoted for showing me that flag
  
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- jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  not to be exclusive but i dislike the contemporary trend of trying to shoehorn polygamy and polyamory into LGBTQ spaces, tbh.
  
  i personally dislike poly, admittedly, but i don’t really think it should be illegal or anything either ig. either way, it’s a lifestyle choice one makes and not an immutable facet of your identity that you’re born with, which i know is an increasingly controversial opinion these days but tbh i don’t think poly people experience oppression or bigotry the same way queer people do and it’s disingenuous to act like they do. it honestly makes me kind of upset to see people so widely positing such a position. i know the inevitable comparison of this rhetoric im using to the rhetoric used against queer people historically but i honestly don’t think that’s a very fair comparison in the case of poly, but that’s a whole can of worms itself.
  
  again, not really an attack on poly people or their right to exist. i know my personal disdain of it probably shines through a bit here in my voice but i don’t want to come off as rude.
  
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- Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Aah bad flag jumpscare
  
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SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
youtu.be/r3fD5FPQBtI

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- tamal3@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  OHIO!!
  
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zeezee@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
meh I honestly kind of like it - I especially think the intersex symbol ties it together really well

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dontkickducks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Aside from the design of the flags, scrolling through these ones felt a bit like a colour blind test. Especially the demi-flags.

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southsamurai@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
I doubt it’ll ever be redesigned.

The reason it’s badly designed as is, is that people wanted specific inclusion into the primary symbol. There’s really no way to change a rainbow; it’s the standard spectrum of visible light being used as a symbol of everyone in their diversity being part of a group.

To be any more inclusive, you have to put things on top of the already inclusive rainbow. A corner piece or an inset is the only way to do that that isn’t horrible looking no matter what it is.

The chevrons from the side are at least visually balanced, though not well chosen colorwise. Then again, the representative colors weren’t chosen with being added to a flag in the first place.

Once you start changing an established symbol rather than just coming up with a new one, design goes out the window. It’s no longer cohesive because it can’t be. It’s like the difference between someone planning a tattoo that covers their arm, and someone getting a few dozen tattoos on their arm. Shoving things together without a plan ahead of time is airways going to be less visually pleasing.

But, visual pleasance isn’t what the flag is for, so maybe it’s more effective than something planned from the beginning. I dunno, but the fact that it isn’t “just” a rainbow does mean you can’t mistake it for someone liking rainbows in general, so that could be a benefit of that change.

I don’t agree that the original rainbow flag has too many colors though. If you don’t have the standard color spectrum there, it isn’t a rainbow to most people’s minds, so it would be worse design. The standard ROYGBV is standard for a pigment rainbow for a good reason.

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TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I’m just mad they didn’t add Italians and Jews to the progressive flag, cmon!

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db2@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Flags are stupid in the first place though. All flags, it’s nothing to do with these specifically.

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agent_nycto@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
we all know the real reason for the change

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muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Who owns the intellectual property of these flags?

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