Reddit sues Anthropic, alleging its bots accessed Reddit more than 100,000 times since last July
Submitted 3 weeks ago by simplejack@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 3 weeks ago
gedaliyah@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I can’t believe you beat me to this. Well done.
FenrirIII@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Inconceivable!
ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 2 weeks ago
You’ve fallen for one of the classic blunders!
Fizz@lemmy.nz 3 weeks ago
I just watched this movie last week. Its got so many good lines.
tal@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
In the filing, Reddit calls Anthropic a “late-blooming artificial intelligence (‘AI’) company that bills itself as the white knight of the AI industry,” alleging that “it is anything but.”
“This case is about the two faces of Anthropic: the public face that attempts to ingratiate itself into the consumer’s consciousness with claims of righteousness and respect for boundaries and the law, and the private face that ignores any rules that interfere with its attempts to further line its pockets.”
I mean, Reddit’s objection is that they want to sell the same data to Google to do the same training.
paraphrand@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I dunno, it the it just reads like a reddit comment to me. 🤣
wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
They actually quite that in a real legal filing?
Jesus.
Did they ask /r/pettyrevenge to write that?
NegentropicBoy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
So who owns the data?
Grimy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Well they already sold it for 60 million and I didnt get a dime, so not me apparently.
ag10n@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Reddit, created by users and Russian bots
Leet@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
So if reddit wins, that means the content is theirs. So if the content is theirs, they are liable for any content that is illegal. Is that true?
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
yes to both regardless of this lawsuit
The wiggle room for large businesses is that they remove content that violates local laws when notified of it
Almacca@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
The content’s theirs whether they win or not, isn’t it? It’s in the EULA when you sign up.
JonsJava@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
non-exclusive
That means we can license all our content to another company, and Reddit would be forced to allow them to fetch it, as we still own it, right?
General_Effort@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
No. I am not aware of any law that makes you liable by holding or claiming the copyright to some content. EG you may have to pay damages for libel, but not because you have copyright to the libelous statement.
Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Doesn’t quite make sense.
You’re telling me that someone can get popped for mistakenly visiting the dark side of the internet and having whatever-the-fuck horrible shit put on their machine, but owning the content and hosting it on your servers results in nothing?
echodot@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
This is like one of those cases where I’m kind of hoping they both lose somehow. Neither party are right in this case, Reddit is trying to claim copyright over content they have no rights to, and anthropic shouldn’t be violating copyright without a licence.
But apparently you are actually allowed to violate copyright without a licence if you’re an AI company because apparently llms are the future? So I guess Reddit are going to lose, which will be funny.
FiskFisk33@startrek.website 3 weeks ago
I am squarely on the reddit should lose this side.
Anthropic may be breaking copyright, but not Reddit’s copyright. Sure maybe Anthropic should be sued, but not by Reddit.
echodot@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Actually this case could be a good thing. The whole question of who owns user generated content needs hashing out, because no one seems to actually know.
Obviously the logical answer would be that the people who created it own the content, but that’s never been officially decided.
Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Judge finds that anthropic has to pay restitution to the reddit users. Affirms that posts belong to users.
Well, I can dream.
rikudou@lemmings.world 3 weeks ago
You mean Reddit, the company that would be very happy if Anthropic did the exact same thing, but paid Reddit first?
General_Effort@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
“Violating copyright without a licence” is a lovely turn of phrase. You must be the valedictorian of the Lemmy School of Copyright.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Is it violating copyright to browse the web?
echodot@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
I think it’s acceptable as long as you don’t learn anything.
chunes@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Only 100,000 times? Shit, do I need to be worried about getting sued too?
Tronn4@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
All porn subreddits are exempted
rosco385@lemmy.wtf 3 weeks ago
“Reddit’s humanity is uniquely valuable in a world flattened by AI,“ Lee said. ”Now more than ever, people are seeking authentic human-to-human conversation. Reddit hosts nearly 20 years of rich, human discussion on virtually every topic imaginable. These conversations don’t happen anywhere else—and they’re central to training language models like Claude.”
LMAO, reddit’s days of genuine conversations between humans is long gone.
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Reddit is just mad that Anthropic didn’t pay them
jol@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
… Yes?
catloaf@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Yes that is how capitalism works
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The Users posted for free. They didn’t get paid. They should be publicly available for scraping
raltoid@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Long story short: They are not combatting bots on their platform. They sold training data to google and these guys aren’t paying, that’s why they’re suing.
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Reddit can forever get fucked
Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
while half of reddit is infested with propaganda bots from russia.
Saleh@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Not just Russia.
Israel, US, China, North Korea, India and other countries… Nuclear Lobby, Fossil Fuel Lobby and countless other industry lobbyists.
Deceptichum@quokk.au 3 weeks ago
Suck shit reddit.
bulwark@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I hope they both choke on their own bots.
Kichae@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
“We’re the front page of the Internet!”
“No, not like that…”
4uffin@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
“We’re the front page of the Internet! …as long as the front page isn’t scraped…” >:(
Almacca@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
Obviously Reddit isn’t averse to bots, just ones that aren’t paying them.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
it wouldnt have mattered anyway if you left during the time most people did. Reddit rolled back mass deleted data and manually deleted accounts during that duration so that comments remained without usernames.
Almacca@aussie.zone 2 weeks ago
The fuckers!
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 3 weeks ago
I deleted all my posts and my account and they restored them all and then permanently banned me. They can recover anything they want to.
hightrix@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Basically nowhere on the internet does delete mean delete. Nearly everywhere it means archive or hide.
ulu_mulu@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Do you really believe they don’t have backups? Especially since it seems selling content for AI training was their plan for quite a while?
Or that they didn’t make full backups a couple years ago before the protest, anticipating a lot of users would try to delete their comments?
I think the only way to truly delete anything from reddit would be living in EU and enforcing a GDPR request, but even in that case, I believe it would be very difficult to check they actually comply.
General_Effort@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think the only way to truly delete anything from reddit would be living in EU and enforcing a GDPR request, but even in that case, I believe it would be very difficult to check they actually comply.
Wouldn’t work. GDPR is not copyright. Deleting the username is enough, unless you have doxed yourself in some post.
Rather, it can be argued that GDPR requires restoring comments at least in some situations. Comments may be necessary context to understand replies or even other posts.
yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I don’t regret not deleting all my comments. For me, It’s a mishmash of helpful/comedic/observational comments that I don’t care that they have sold off for use as training data.
But, I just got shadowbanned, because of my VPN or something, so they aren’t getting any more!
sexy_peach@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
100.000 accesses isn’t that much, right?
kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 3 weeks ago
100,000 requests in 11 months? That’s about 12.5 requests an hour
grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
That’s hardly anything. Facebook has a bot accessing my server’s robots.txt multiple times a second. (My robots.txt used to say “Facebook bot go away” but now I just respond 404 to any requests from the Facebook bot. Pretend I said that all technical and stuff, it’s 2 am and I ought to go to sleep.)
echodot@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Some legitimate users probably submit more requests than that
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Back in the day that’s about how many times I accessed reddit a week.
gedaliyah@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
tourist@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Bots? On Reddit!?
Birch@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
It’s more likely than you think!
LaterRedditor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Jokes on you for crawling mostly synthetic text?
FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
hope reddit loses
pastermil@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Thought they signed up for that.
dan1101@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
So Reddit serves free data but Anthropic took too much?
Cort@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They give out free license for their data, but require following their terms of service.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
pay us or we sue
Isn’t this just blackmail by reddit?
diffusive@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Aren’t the copyrights still belonging to the original authors? What is Reddit suing for? The header and the footer? 🤔
Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Oof owie my hemochromatosis.
venusaur@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Fuck Reddit
PattyMcB@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Ehh… fuck reddit. They made the bed
g0nz0li0@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I hope they lose this case badly.
For the concerns I have about AI and stealing others work, I want to see Reddit burn for pretending that they are all about community and connection, while actively harming their users’ experience on the platform and attempting to profit off their content.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yeah, something about a company making billions of dollars off completely user generated content and moderation just runs me the wrong way. As much as I hate Facebook, they at least pay people to do moderation there, and regularly update their site (as shitty as it is). I dont use either anymore, and I hope they die in a pit of flames owing billions to their shareholders.
ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
Shareholders of these companies are likely you or I, as they are so big they are significant parts of index funds purchased by retirement funds and the like
dan@upvote.au 3 weeks ago
Facebook pays content creators too (creators.facebook.com/earn-money).
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
No matter who wins, everyone loses.