FreedomAdvocate

You obviously don’t though lol. Using a VPN is not exposing it to the internet - it’s a private network. It’s even in the name!

Not sure if you understand what a VPN is?

You’re using the wrong address, that’s how it’s user error.

If you just use the Plex app you wouldn’t have this issue either. Were you watching media on your Plex server machine through a browser instead of just opening Plex, and you typed in a url in the browser?

Op doesn’t know what he’s doing, otherwise we wouldn’t have this thread.

JellyFin can’t be securely exposed to the internet.

So now that you know the problem was user error, why exactly are you still switching to jellyfin?

Because OP doesn’t know what he’s doing? Or because you like opening your server to the internet without any authentication?

User error, at least you figured it out. It’s always free to stream in your own network.

Nope. If you use docker containers on windows or mac, they’re running using an abstraction layer. Docker is the native app, but what’s running inside them isn’t. At best they are nearly identical in performance with negligible hit to performance, but as soon as you use things like port forwarding the performance takes a hit.

stackoverflow.com/…/what-is-the-runtime-performan…

Containerisation is all the rage, but in reality it’s not needed at all for all but a tiny number of self hosters. If a native program option exists, it’s generally just easier and more performant to use that.

Docker and the like shine when you’re frequently deploying and destroying. If you’re doing that with your home server you’re doing it very wrong.

I like docker, I use it on my server, but I am more and more switching back to native apps. There’s just zero advantage to running most things in docker.

So how long before you admit you’re wrong? If they don’t sell it in 2 years? 5 years? 10 years?

You’re literally spreading FUD based on your paranoia.

“All your data” lol

I care about my actual private data. My email that I hand out to dozens of sites isn’t that. What movies/tv shows of Plex’s - not my collection - isn’t that. It’s definitely not an issue when it’s opt-in like this is.

It’s an email address, it doesn’t matter lol

It’s also not for your personal media, only what you watch of their hosted content. They aren’t selling that your most watched thing is your highly curated big booty whores collection.

And just like that we’re at silly made up hypothetical situations to drive fear and an agenda. That’s not even worth entertaining.

No, I don’t generally carry Firesticks around with me.

Easy if the device you’re trying to listen on has a tailscale app and a JellyFin app, which is unlikely unless you’re using your phone or a tablet/pc.

It’s opt-in. Zero issue here.

And? Why should we care? If I’m already using instagram and other social media platforms that we all know do this, I am clearly ok with it aren’t I?

You’re in a post about people outraged about an opt-in data sharing option on Plex, and you’re not worried about known security issues because you haven’t heard of anything bad happening yet?

Make it make sense.

You can literally click “I do not agree” lol. Also the “personal data” is a hashed email (so they don’t get your email), ip address, and watch history. Not very “personal”, and not anything that violates your privacy or is of any concern to you.

And you can say no. Where’s the problem?

Also “personal data” is a bit of a stretch.

It sounds like OP is charging users to stream from his account, that’s why he freaked out.

I just saw you guys did your first iOS app update in 3 years, and first Xbox app update in 5 years, congrats!

Now what was that I was saying about being left behind again?

Citation needed.

No citation needed. They’ll either do it one day or the software will languish behind in obscurity.

Anyway, what’s wrong with being left behind?

Nothing I guess, other than the competition getting further and further ahead and your users leaving for them.

We’re not in a race, so I don’t understand how we could get left behind.

You definitely are. JellyFin doesn’t exist in a vaccuum. You might not feel like its competition, but the jellyfin software competes with all the other media streaming software out there.

I always see this and I have to ask: why do you care?

Because OP is scared of losing their users because of their incorrect thinking that Plex was requiring them all to buy a remote streaming pass, so clearly OPs goal is to not lose their users, right?

OP asked, we’re answering. That’s kinda the whole point of this thing called Lemmy. We don’t care per se, we’re just telling OP our opinions and thoughts on their questions and proposed solutions.

Have to agree with the other comment that asks why do you need to use a vpn. Fax

If you don’t use a VPN you’re putting yourself at risk. There’s no real way around it with Jellyfin, as others have said.

I find it hard to believe that there are bots scanning for jellyfin exploits

You are very, very naive and uneducated on what bad actors do on the internet then. Basically any popular service that exposes a port to the internet WILL have bots scanning for that port specifically.

Literally nothing changes for me, the plex server host, or any of the people streaming from my server though. Nothing at all. Nothing is ruined, nothing has started to be ruined. I don’t have to pay any more money, none of my friends and family have to pay any money.

And no, jellyfin won’t do anything like this because they don’t have control over how you use it and don’t force their cloud on you.

Until Jellyfin no longer maintain it and change to a closed source product that they want to make money from.

Plex’s own “cloud” that they “force” on you is part of what makes Plex the success that it is, and it costs them money to maintain.

They are not a company.

They definitely are.

Nothing changes for anyone that isn’t HOSTING a plex server, and most of those people would already have a Plex Pass due to the benefits it gives.

This is a complete false equivalence and I feel that you know that. The idea of a console is to expand it by buying new games. That’s not unexpected.

It’s not though. The idea of self hosting isn’t to not have any software costs associated with it. Domain names aren’t free. VPNs (that you use to aquire content) aren’t free. Cloud backups aren’t free. Would you prefer everything was free? Absolutely. Do you sometimes have to pay to get the best software for the job? Absolutely, and Plex is that software.

I am a software developer.

Same here! That makes your argument even crazier to me! Someone demanding that your software should be free and should never be changed to be paid even if it means the company goes under is bananas.

The argument is that this is an exceptionally poor business model and as a developer I’m disgusted that people are defending it.

The business model of having the people that use their main product that requires the most development and time and resources, Plex Server, pay either a cheap one off fee (that regularly goes on sale for half price) or a monthly subscription fee in order to use it, is “exceptionally poor”? How so? Is it just that it was free? This business model has been around for eternity. Get people in the door and hooked by offering it for free, then start charging for it. It’s one of the actual best business models around, not “exceptionally poor” lol. You’re looking at it from the “I want it to be free forever” point of view, not the “We need it to be a viable business with revenue to be able to sustain it” point of view.

until there’s no such thing as free software anymore.

That will never happen, because people will always be making free software to put out there for people to try and to use - and many of them will then transition to PAID because it’s not sustainable otherwise. For software to thrive you often have to have full time developers working on it, and full time developers need to be paid.

At the end of the day you’re paying twice to avoid buying IP. Just fucking buy the IP if you’re going to be stupid. Movies are like $12. At $250 you’re paying $2.10/mo in addition to your hosting costs.

Just go buy 20 movies for the same price. It’s so dumb.

I paid ~$100 ~10 years ago for Plex Pass. It paid for itself instantly as I was simply supporting the developers of the software. As a software developer I have no problem doing that. I wasn’t forced to buy it, but I did.

I’m not quite sure where you got this $250 figure from though? What is that, the monthly remote pass x 12? Also most people running a plex server get far more than 20 movies a year lol. Pretty sure I got 20 movies last night.