Yeah…that would be cool but…this country isn’t big on accountability.
We'll have plenty of camps to have them sent to by then.
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WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
jonne@infosec.pub 1 week ago
Yep, the lesser Bush and Trump I shows that Democrats are not interested in punishing crimes committed by Republicans.
random_character_a@lemmy.world 1 week ago
That’s because US politics is so unhealthy that political persecution is only a step away. They rather let one “no longer relevant asshole” go than risk pocking that hornets nest.
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I mean the voters are the accountability. Seems like the right show up with weapons and plan A, B, and C that they have organised for the past year.
The left show up with knowledge of how to get arrested.
JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 week ago
The left falls apart, the right falls in line
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
Are you talking about libs? They’re right-wing. There are not many actual leftists in the core of empire. It’s literally the goal of hegemonic narrative (schools, media, politicians, etc) to obscure and misrepresent leftist.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
It’s more about randomly robbing and murdering people for having the wrong skin tone.
KelvarIW@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 week ago
Please promise to yourself right now that we will not let them be forgiven. We will not let whatever centrist Democrats convince us to “move forward” and “let us heal”. These officers need to be given Nuremberg Trials. If we get control of this government, EVERY one of these ICE agents who raided or abducted even one person, get sent to prison. I hope for life.
I don’t care if they have kids, lovers, parents, friends, grandkids. After these years there will be people dead, permanently traumatized, and permanently disabled.
Wilco@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Be it Constitutional or vigilante, justice will be served.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 week ago
If only the universe worked that way
OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 1 week ago
i like when people say these, but when communists did it we twisted it
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
If history is any precedent I think ICE agents will pivot to claiming anti-communism as a defense and be just fine.
musubibreakfast@lemm.ee 1 week ago
The leaders will get nice cushy jobs in Israel as consultants.
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 1 week ago
I’m sorry. does anyone really believe that?
“in the interest of not causing division we will offer an amnesty to all personnel who assumed orders they got were lawful”
boolean_sledgehammer@lemmy.world 1 week ago
No one said that we were relying on the government to carry out justice.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 week ago
To be honest if Kamela Harris won, I could have seen her or Biden “Pardoning Trump to let the nation heal”
barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 1 week ago
It’s going to have to be different this time. We let them slide after the Revolution, the Civil War, and WWII, and it has led directly to the mess we are in now.
If we survive this, it will be imperative that there are harsh punishments for ALL leaders, and all middle management. Street level traitors may not end up in prison, but they should be forced to go to political remediation classes, where they will be properly taught about the Constitution, American History, and Critical Thinking Skills. Recalcitrant “students” can have their sentences commuted to long prison sentences if they’d prefer.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Well, the new Constitution by then at least.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 1 week ago
The agents that abused their authority need to be punished, but I would be more interested in punishing the people in power that enabled this mess or ignored what was going on.
meliaesc@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Please both.
Formfiller@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Nazis
octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 1 week ago
I’d settle for fair prosecution using the body of US law that existed up to the inauguration of Trump47.
KMAMURI@lemmy.world 1 week ago
There wasn’t fair prosecution of law enforcement pre trump. You all are so delusional.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Wouldn’t it just inaugurate him again?
Formfiller@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Yes but we can dream
Hyphlosion@lemm.ee 1 week ago
I’m guessing whoever made this doesn’t know much about Operation Paperclip.
Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
Pretty sure the fascists in ICE aren’t the intellectual types who have anything to offer for scientific programs.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
Ah yes that old doctrine… Reward the intelligent nazis, punish the dolts.
witten@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Mouth-breathing thugs aren’t exactly scientific geniuses though.
AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
If we survive this, I absolutely plan to shame them into non-existence.
ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 1 week ago
How can you shame that which is shameless?
Klear@lemmy.world 1 week ago
“That is not ashamed which can eternally lie,
And with strange aeons even shame may die”
meliaesc@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Shame them now or we may not survive this.
AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Well, I’m not white so I may also get deported to El Salvador.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
I hope they learn it before this is all over.
MITM0@lemmy.world 1 week ago
This is one of those things that can never be forgiven. There were so many instances of abuse of power.
Too many to not notice
ryannathans@aussie.zone 1 week ago
Thought they had qualified immunity?
octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 1 week ago
Qualified immunity specifically does not apply in cases where someone’s clearly established civil rights were violated, though the criteria for that is specific. Further, it applies only to civil cases, not criminal cases. It may certainly help them in some instances, but it’s not going to be a blanket shield.
1 Was a constitutional right violated?
2 Was the right clearly established at the time of the alleged violation?
www.justia.com/…/qualified-immunity/
Under this doctrine, government agents—including but not limited to police officers—can never be sued for violating someone’s civil rights, unless they violated “clearly established law.” While this is an amorphous, malleable standard, it generally requires civil rights plaintiffs to show not just a clear legal rule, but a prior case with functionally identical facts.
In other words, it is entirely possible—and quite common—for courts to hold that government agents did violate someone’s rights, but that the victim has no legal remedy, simply because that precise sort of misconduct had not occurred in past cases.
www.americanbar.org/groups/…/qualified-immunity/
While yes, IANAL, I’m exceptionally doubtful that clearly established constitutional rights aren’t being violated by the behaviors of ICE under Trump, in many, many circumstances.
ryannathans@aussie.zone 1 week ago
Oooo that’s cool
IANAA (I am not an American)
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 1 week ago
I’m exceptionally doubtful that clearly established constitutional rights aren’t being violated
Anyone who’s hasn’t lived under a rock the past decade knows clearly established means practical impunity.
Some courts have required an extraordinarily precise match between the misconduct alleged in one case and in a prior one in order to find a violation of someone’s constitutional rights.
[…]
When Baxter sued, the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals tossed out his case. It held that while it was well established that a police dog couldn’t be unleashed on a suspect who was lying down, there was no case addressing someone sitting down with their hands up, as Baxter said he was doing.
From Reason
“I have previously expressed my doubts about our qualified immunity jurisprudence,” writes Thomas. “Because our §1983 qualified immunity doctrine appears to stray from the statutory text, I would grant this petition.”
The judge spoke to a point that qualified immunity critics have been making for some time: The framework was concocted by the Supreme Court in spite of court precedent. It’s a perfect example of legislating from the bench—something conservatives typically oppose.
The Civil Rights Act of 1871, otherwise known as Section 1983 of the U.S. Code, explicitly grants you the ability to sue public officials who trample on your constitutional rights. The high court tinkered with that idea in Pierson v. Ray (1967), carving out an exemption for officials who violated your rights in “good faith.” Thus, qualified immunity was born.
That doctrine ballooned to something much larger in Harlow v. Fitzgerald (1982), when the Supreme Court scrubbed the “good faith” exception in favor of the “clearly established” standard, a rule that has become almost impossible to satisfy. Now, public officials cannot be held liable for bad behavior if a near-identical situation has not been outlined and condemned in previous case law.
Though the original idea was to protect public servants from vacuous lawsuits, the practical effects have been alarming. As I wrote last week:
In Howse v. Hodous (2020), the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit gave qualified immunity to two officers who allegedly assaulted and arrested a man on bogus charges for the crime of standing outside of his own house. There was also the sheriff’s deputy in Coffee County, Georgia, who shot a 10-year-old boy while aiming at a non-threatening dog; the cop in Los Angeles who shot a 15-year-old boy on his way to school because the child’s friend had a plastic gun; and two cops in Fresno, California, who allegedly stole $225,000 while executing a search warrant.
In other words, cops need the judiciary to tell them explicitly that stealing is wrong. The aforementioned police officers were thus shielded from legal accountability, leaving the plaintiffs with no recourse to seek damages for medical bills or stolen assets.
Court standards are so strict, nearly any meaningless, incidental difference suffices to grant officials cover of qualified immunity: literally the difference between lying down & sitting is all it takes to violate rights with impunity.
UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 1 week ago
WALLS are being chosen
LordWiggle@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Why not, it helped for many nazis after the second world war. Many got convicted, but also many didn’t.
MITM0@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Soviets had the better idea, they weren’t taking any prisoners
abdominable@lemm.ee 1 week ago
It literally worked for 99.999% of Nazis. We only hung some of the top brass. And then we took the smartest ones and gave them great lives we NASA.
Borg7of1@lemm.ee 1 week ago
So you are talking about the agents removing illegal people from the country
octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 1 week ago
MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 1 week ago
As a cishet white male in the USA, anyone afraid of being “replaced” should actually be replaced. Net positive for the country.
Borg7of1@lemm.ee 1 week ago
You don’t even understand , what you are saying. But ok
octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 1 week ago
Just so we’re clear, this isn’t Truth Social or X. Folks only engage with the bigots and racists here for fun. When it’s done being fun you just get blocked. If that’s an entertaining way for you to conduct yourself online, go right ahead.
Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
I have found it is useless trying to have discourse with them. I just meow at them. It’s fun and confuses them.
Borg7of1@lemm.ee 1 week ago
It’s ok, take deep breaths and relax ok, it’s going to be all ok
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Shut up, dimwit. They’re illegally kidnapping people that are protected by American law.
Wake the fuck up and learn the facts.
Borg7of1@lemm.ee 1 week ago
And that was not what I was asking, was it. When Obama deported 3000000 people, where were your camps then. And if people are removed illegally yes that is wrong. But I am to shut up.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 week ago
If you ever want to see 9f you’re on the right side of history, just look at your words:
“Illegal people” is a vile concept.
Borg7of1@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Well change the constitution and name them what ever you want.
blitzen@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
A person cannot be “illegal.”
But they can be ignorant. Bigoted. Hateful.
Hope@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Maybe we should lend less credence to a law making certain people illegal that was passed while the Nazis controlled Germany.
10001110101@lemm.ee 1 week ago
And immigrants here legally as well. And because they’re ignoring due process and habeas corpus, I have no doubt, citizens who committed no crime soon (they’ve already kidnapped citizens and looted citizens homes, but haven’t exiled citizens yet, AFAIK).
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
Not only did it work for the Nazis, it the police already have laws on the books for this purpose
danhab99@programming.dev 1 week ago
It’s pronounced “Ich habe nur Befehle befolgt”
SassyRamen@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I fully agree, but… this ain’t no shit post.
Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 1 week ago
You’re right. Looks like we were the shit post all along.
Banana@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
The real shitpost was the friends we made along the way 😌
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 1 week ago
It is because ice agents are fucking piece of shits. Not even worthy of being called shits more like the stain left over.
FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 1 week ago
Yet this post is being upvoted. These communities are just AI slop and Political rants now. Rip.