Is that Elon
Maybe it's just a human thing.
Submitted 11 months ago by cm0002@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 11 months ago
BigBenis@lemmy.world 11 months ago
As much as I resent religion, I do believe it’s fundamentally a human problem. People everywhere have a tendency to corrupt beliefs in order to justify being assholes to one another.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Religon was created as a control mechanism for governments that didn’t have the capability to enforce laws.
It’s a method to make communities self police.
Today it is a dangerous tool left lying around for any con man to pick up and weild
That’s why fascist movements always have a religious/nationalist base.
doomcanoe@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
100%
That being said, dogmatic belief systems, which tend to be common in religion, seem to act as force multipliers in this regard.
DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz 11 months ago
Yeah especially if such dogmatic beliefs make people think dumb or unethical stuff is somehow okay.
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Assholes of our worser nature?
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Also, Nye isn’t an athiest. He’s a devoteé of Cervinas.
Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
The Christian one should be a missionary actually helping people. Christian faith that only exists in church is a false faith
spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Christian faith that only exists in church is a false faith
They’re probably going for how the religion is not what it’s supposed to be.
lefixxx@lemmy.world 11 months ago
ITT people missing the point and projecting their own beliefs and values.
This is how people “strawman”. It’s easy to hate on atheists if you just see them all as their asshole members. The truth is that any group has their violent nutjobs and vocal minorities. You can’t just say all Muslims are terrorists just the same as you can’t say feminists are hateful crazies.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Nah religon is actually evil
Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world 11 months ago
hi. proud asshole here. destroy all abrahamic religions for the sake of humanity.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 11 months ago
Nothing has done more harm than religion.
HeurtisticAlgorithm9@feddit.uk 11 months ago
Pollution and by extension capitalism. Why only harm select groups of people, when you can harm the entire future of all people.
MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Its always fun when the christian pastor will joke about changing the carpets in the church, while i see posts about the muslims in ramadan will give food to the poor during thier religious month or ramadan.
Hell (jumping to the dark side. Sorry muslims) but suicide bombers are willing to give thier life to what they believe in (yes, killing others is bad, but giving your life to a cause is respectible), while my christian pastor will live next to neighbours sleeping on a matress in thier front yard, and do nothing to help thier PHYSICAL neighbour.
Maybe I am the outlier, but for all I see, Christians are the ones pretending to do good, while the muslims had a rough patch almost 20 years ago, and are doing more good that the christians in the last 5 years or so.
Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Not sure where you’re from, but in germany and austria, christians are definitely doing good. Churches here have a lot of support networks for everyone, especially elderly and people in need. In germany, we also have the “diakonie”, a service of the … protestant church? (idk how to translate that properly into english, the opposites of catholics here lmao), which is a major part of elderly care. And in many villages or smaller cities, the churches are open during the night for the homeless to take shelter, if they want to.
While I’m really not a big fan of religions in general, I feel like it’s unfair to claim that christians don’t do anything for society at large. At least from my european perspective.
MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Born in South Africa. Grand Father was a Pastor. He put sandwiches on top of the rubbish bins so homeless wouldnt have to search bins for food. (Went back there as an adult. So many things to say there)
Early teens in UAE. Had Muslim neighbours. Nicest family Ive met. Didnt push thier beliefs on anyone.
Australia. Mid teens to adult+. Got diss-illusioned with the church. Pastor made jokes about rhe old building. Had a notebook to take notes on what he said each week. Realised he duplicated some sermons.
I am fully open to believe it was my late teens - ealry adulthood that opened my eyes to the real world, or irs the churches fault for not sheltering me enough to convinee me that christianty is the way forward.
I already said the pastor had neighbours sleeping in the yard, but at the same time, they were trying to convice us teens to go overseas ro recruit new christians there. If you can afford plane tickets over seas, you can afford a blanket and some hot food for people in your home town.
Again, theres over 7 billion people on this planet. Maybe im just unlucky, got the short straw, and saw the worst of christianity, but im probably not going back.
rational_lib@lemmy.world 11 months ago
3 of these are real examples things the people on the right did, the last is a meme made to make fun of feminists. Don’t get me wrong, there’s a level of feminism that goes too far, I just have yet to see an example of this in real life. There’s something about women in general that makes society dismiss them offhand as silly and ridiculous.
snowdrop@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
That something is patriarchy.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There are some women like that in real life actually
gmtom@lemmy.world 11 months ago
So you’ve never met a TERF in real life?
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I think the term mostly refers to bigots. Most “TERFs” aren’t even radfems, they just use “protecting women” as an excuse for their bigotry.
cholesterol@lemmy.world 11 months ago
And ‘assholes’ just appear at random? Nothing in these groups increases or decreases the asshole frequency? Imagine if we thought of all culture that way. Forget about progressive politics changing people’s minds and thereby their behavior. “Some people are just ‘assholes’, what are you gonna do?”
lefixxx@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Assuming the probability of assholiness based on culture is how you treat cultures unequally. You fight assholiness in the individual level. You can’t change a culture like that. You can only educate people and they will change their own culture.
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Not all beliefs are equal. If you hold by a holy text that says that women can (and should) be bought and sold or are otherwise ‘lesser’ than men, or you revere an imbecilic demagogue who claims that all immigrants are rapists, murderers and gang members, then yes, the “culture” of your group will have a higher probability of any given person being an asshole than a group of randomly-selected Humanists, for example. To equivocate that all belief systems are equal from a moral perspective is deeply naive.
cholesterol@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Assuming the probability of assholiness based on culture is how you treat cultures unequally.
If you agree that bad ideas can be part of cultures (large or small) to a higher or lesser degree, it follows that some cultures have a higher frequency of people with the need for the individual ‘education’ you’re suggesting.
Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Sorry for the autism :)
Why is the bottom right picture done like that, it looks like these feminists just want to be more like men.
Why am I saying this? Because that position of the arm is there to show a bulging contracted bicep. Women have a lot less muscle there, so it doesn’t make sense.
Wouldn’t feminism be better when striving for things that women are naturally better at than men.
We don’t need to do the same stuff, everyone can do what they want.
But don’t make a fish climb a tree. Everyone should cultivate their own strengths and learn their own weaknesses.
And for women, being physically strong will usually be less attainable. Obviously there are exceptions. When I was 65 kg I could deadlift 140 kg, so a lot of muscle isn’t actually needed for strength, but still you get what I’m saying.
This type of stuff, as I was growing up, made me actually believe men and women were the same.
After years of talking extensively to men and women, I can assure you that’s not the case.
There should be no stereotyping, but we are indeed different and do not need to be the same.
/End autistic rant
Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There should be no stereotyping, but we are indeed different and do not need to be the same.
thank you very much. that is called common sense, not autism. we can celebrate our differences as well as our similarities.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
I forgive you your autism lol, I was raised very similarly especially because I had three sporty sisters (much sportier than I was).
Everyone should cultivate their own strengths and learn their own weaknesses.
That’s what happens if you remove sex barriers for activities. For instance, most people could not be firefighters regardless of their sex or hormonal makeup. In fact most men do not have what it takes to be a firefighter. But some women do, and more importantly they have the drive and motivation to become good at it.
I’m not even saying there are the same amount of qualified candidates between men and women, but there are enough in both groups that it makes sense not to limit applications along lines of sex or gender.
Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Of course it shouldn’t be limited. Sometimes it feels like they are shoving women in the direction of being more like men. Which I find unnecessary.
Just let people be who they are
It sometimes feels fabricated
KingOfSuede@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If you’d like a bit of a read, the character portrayed there is named Rosie the Riveter.
It’s definitely a wartime relic, but the history and meaning behind it are very interesting!
aviationeast@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Need an asshole, hyrulian fortune teller…
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 11 months ago
The best example of an asshole atheist they could find was one making a shitty anti-theist meme, meanwhile the examples of asshole Christians and Muslims are violent
laserm@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Mao, Kim jong un, Stalin…
drmoose@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They weren’t killing in the name of atheism though
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Many atheists take part in racism and violence. There was plenty during the Cold War, collapse of Yugoslavia, Gulf War, post-9/11 and both Trump terms.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah but they don’t do it in the name of atheism. Being an atheist doesn’t mean you can’t be a cunt just the same as being religious doesn’t mean you can’t be a cunt.
pyre@lemmy.world 11 months ago
well you can find them on social media on women instead.
or look at a popular one like Dawkins who is busy being a transphobe nowadays. imagine being an atheist and wasting the remainder of your precious and only life trying to make the precious and only life of the most marginalized people in society even worse.
or sam harris who literally defended torture.
Kolrami@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Still. Putting Dawkins up against the KKK is a reach.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 11 months ago
CCP and USSR stamped out religious practice, but go off.
As an Atheist myself, don’t delude yourself into thinking religion is unique in its capacity for horrors. Humans have that capacity, any group we make would also have that capacity.
TerranFenrir@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
The existence of religions itself is harmful to me. Religions make public manipulation very easy. This leads to power accumulation, which is very dangerous for me (unless I’m the one doing the manipulation). Hence, it is in my interest to stamp out all religions.
However, the methods used by the CCP and the USSR failed to stamp out religion. Repression makes religion stronger. In my opinion, societal indoctrination of the laws of logic would stand a better chance at eradicating religion. In other words, good education that revolves around the workings of logic, logical fallacies, etc. would stand a bigger chance at this
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Clearly they didn’t dona good enough job seeing how religion was never stamped out you wana be victum
Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 11 months ago
“Praise science!” - Southpark
Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I was commenting on the examples the meme chose to use. It implies they couldn’t find examples of violent atheists
Firebirdie713@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
There are a lot of edgy athiests using all their time attacking trans people these days, because an unfortunate number of them are mainly athiests as a way to hate Muslims. And the ones taking the time to attack trans people have almost all joined the alt right, which has been responsible for a lot of attacks on innocent people.
They may not be killing in the name of atheism, but they have been in the same of “reason” and “defence of women”.
Burninator05@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Maybe I’m sheltered but I don’t know of a single atheist attacking trans people. I’m not saying there aren’t any because anyone can be an asshole but I’m not sure if it’s a lot.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I haven’t seen that. Why would they need to be atheist to hate Muslims? You can do that from anywhere.
Thcdenton@lemmy.world 11 months ago
frezik@midwest.social 11 months ago
Prefer the Norman Rockwell version of Rosie the Rivitor:
www.nrm.org/rosie-the-riveter/
The Norman Rockwell Museum are cowards. The photo crops out the bottom, where she’s using Mein Kampf as a footstool.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
That is cowardly, that’s one of the few things its good for. Maybe fixing a wobbly table leg, and when you’re out of toilet paper.
carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
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actually dangerous extremist
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guy in a ninja costume with a knife
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weird meme
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completely made up stereotype
1/4: do better next time!
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Misandrists exist, but most are harmless. Social media just does a good job of amplifying them like all outrage.
StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
No it doesn’t. You just don’t want to admit that you benefit from misogyny.
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glorkon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
No atheist hates god. How can you hate something you don’t think exists?
Gladaed@feddit.org 11 months ago
Since we are already being unhelpful: Atheist don’t all are unsure about if God exists. Some may believe God does not exist, some don’t care. Some believers might be unsure or don’t care either.
Chocobofangirl@lemmy.world 11 months ago
being unsure or uncaring is supposed to be agnosticism, though. atheism is an outright rejection of the possibility. (this is NOT a commentary on if one is more correct than the other.)
laserm@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There is a difference between god as a character and God as a concept; the former one is (in my belief) nonexistent, the latter exists as long as his worshipper worship him.
kshade@lemmy.world 11 months ago
People hate on fictional characters all the time though.
angrystego@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I guess you can hate god as a concept. God can be proven to exists in human minds (no esoteric stuff, just psychology and sociology). You can hate this scientific fact and what it means for humankind.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I dunno. I’m not entirely an atheist (my religion is blasphemy. If the gods exist, they like a target) but I can hate something I don’t think exists. Some of those deities are godsdamned genocidal maniacs and pedophiles.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Tbf, you can think god isn’t “real” while also hating the concept of “god” for being responsible for so much war and division throughout history (among other reasons.)
glorkon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Well in that case, if a religious person accuses you that you hate their god, it’s still not true. Because that religious person thinks of their god as a real entity, while you hate their concept of god. The target of that hate is not the same.
HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone 11 months ago
The correct word would be “antitheist”
Lemminary@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s misotheist
glorkon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That’s as may be, but that’s not the word that was used in the meme.
Godnroc@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Represent those you want to support with the best examples and those you want to oppose with the worst examples. Ignore that every group is made of people and people come in many distinct, unique varieties because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s a shitpost, it’s meant to be off lol
A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Terrible implementation of a decent idea, try again
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’m not sure I’d use Bill Nye as the example of the asshole atheist, unless that’s the joke. Maybe Christopher Hitchens.
Bassman1805@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Bill Nye kind of is a dick though.
Some people are really warm in acute person-to-person interactions, but lack the chronic empathy to spread long-term kindness. See “southern hospitality” clashing with who those areas vote for.
Others have a well-oriented moral compass but are just really abrasive in person. That’s Bill Nye. I’ve met him and he’s not like, super mean but he’s got a bit of a holier-than-thou (or rather, smarter-than-you) complex.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The downvotes for this are wild lmao
Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
That’s right, extremism breeds assholes.
Sibshops@lemm.ee 11 months ago
The bottom-left one for Feminists doesn’t fit. The others are things that were created by their own group, for example, the KKK was created by Christians. That Feminist meme, on the other hand, wasn’t created by feminists but by someone else to mock them.
inlandempire@jlai.lu 11 months ago
American war propaganda poster for illustrating feminism, that’s certainly a choice
PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I dont get it, which minority am I supposed to blame for all my problems now?
TerranFenrir@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
I hate God.