Anonymous: Trump is making America weaker and we’ll exploit it - News Cafe

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• absquatulate@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Exploit it you say? Please get in line behind the russians, the chinese snd pretty much all arab countries

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  • PanArab@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    What did we do? As if our governments aren’t US vassals? Yet you still demonize us.

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    • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Egypt have been caught spying on the US (or US citizens) from what I know

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    • kandoh@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Next time a blonde haired blue eyed British man named Lawrence comes asking you to rebel against the Ottomans you’ll think twice, huh

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    • Gammelfisch@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      The Saudis did not give the Jared billions for nothing. Just remember, the Saudis and Israelis told Bush to invade Iraq and next up is Iran with Putin’s Sock Puppet in charge. It will be a massive cluster fuck.

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    • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      You say that as if Iran hasn’t been financing uprisings, Turkey isn’t openly affectionate with multiple opposing world powers, and as if Afghanistan didn’t fall into chaos literally as the USA were leaving.

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    • comfy@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Iran, for one example, is a prolific cybersecurity adversary of the USA. One of the top four advesaries alongside China, North Korea and Russia. In fact, Iran is believed to be responsible for disclosing a CIA covert channel to China which led to a critical dismantling of CIA assets. I don’t know as much about other Arab states because Iran is most famous for its advanced cyber-warfare capabilities, but honestly, to avoid exploiting the USA would be very foolish.

      Obviously this goes both ways. Israel and the USA are infamous for Stuxnet, a computer virus which reportedly destroyed a fifth of Iran’s nuclear centrifuges in the early 2000s.

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  • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yes, that’s how exploiting works in those videos.

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  • blattrules@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Don’t forget the billionaires too.

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  • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    What makes you think Anonymous isn’t filled with the russians, chinese, and pretty much all arab countries?

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    • humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      If it’s not card carrying white republicans hacking America, we’re going to have a problem with it.

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• wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Anything supposedly said by “Anonymous” as a hacker group should always be treated with immense skepticism.

  There do exist somewhat legitimate sub-factions that actually take serious actions and do serious ops, and also semi-legitimate “outlets” for their statements… but there’s also an overwhelming amount of smokescreen bullshit “anon news outlets” and little script kiddies running around. It’s important/intentional that those continue existing as smoke screen for the more “serious” factions.

  Beyond that, being an anonymous group with no real methods of confirming membership to outsiders (insiders can just check if you’re in the private IRCs and etc) it means that just about anyone and everyone can make some big declaration like this. The proof will be in the results, not some announcement that could be made by a rando.

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  All that said, there’s convincing and considerable evidence (collected by Krebs) that members of Elon’s DOGE group have background in the actual hacking ops spaces.

  No matter who is really making these threats/warnings, I think things are going to get pretty dire in the US government IT space. It’s been well known for decades that most government orgs have absolutely abysmal cyber security, and now you have a bunch of young adult tech-bros with no true accountability running roughshod over all of it. Then there’s the fact that more than one of them have “serious black hat hacker” backgrounds.

  Going to be one wild ride.

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  • Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    little script kiddies running around

    Yeah, they’re running around the Treasury Dept right now

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    • horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Known and vetted systems are always the most secure. Until RSA is broken, and then they’ll need to update to a quantum resilient standard. Which we’ve had in the wild for 6 years already and the NIST has officially approved for 2 years.

      We’re still at least a decade away from a machine with enough qbits to do it. So i feel like we should be fine.

      It’s the fucking Credit Bureaus, Telecoms, and Energy Companies I worry about. They keep fucking up.

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  • MagicShel@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I don’t know about government overall, but the military and HHS have has some of the most stringent security stances I’ve encountered. To the point where just working for them was a massive chore. (How effective they were I guess I don’t know, but working for them sucked.)

    That said, I’ll take what you said on faith, because I think you’re spot on with everything else.

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    • ikidd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Often, ridiculous and onerous procedural security is hiding massively incompetent actual software security or is used to constrain people from discovering security by obscurity holes. Everything I’ve done in government interfacing as a vendor would seem to confirm this, at least back when I was doing it a few years ago. You’d be hard pressed to convince me it’s changed much since.

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    • MutilationWave@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I once answered a phone call inside a com closet on base. Military IT was already escorting me. Security came because the cameras in the closet detected the camera on my phone. It’s definitely physically tight security.

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    • ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      That said, I’ll take what you said on faith, because I think you’re spot on with everything else.

      I mean, it’s not a secret that governments everywhere run really outdated software (think things like Windows 7 and older) because “it works”, so it really shouldn’t be too surprising.

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    • Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I had to help the SSA implement SAML authentication once and they weren’t even allowed to share their screen so I could see what they were doing. Totally agree that it’s a massive chore.

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  • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yeah. I’ve only spent a few moments skimming through the linked article but if you were part of a legitimate hacktivism group planning a significant operation why would you publish this statement ?

    It’s really just spooky hyperbole - as though written by an adolescent that want’s to sound scary and powerful.

    I would absolutely love to see hacktivists cause some chaos, and maybe even some real financial harm.

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    • shasta@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      The whole point is to being attention to the rise of fascism. Hacking without releasing a statement like this is just terrorism. Releasing a statement after hacking can make it easier for the govt to cover up, like “no we weren’t hacked, someone in our server room just accidentally tripped over a power cable”

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  • reksas@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I guess its pointless to believe their words since there is no way to know if its them. Just look at what they actually do and judge based on that.

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  • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It’s been well known for decades that most government orgs

    I’ve seen Muni and Regional gov and also dotcoms.

    The Govs I’ve been at were crazy-tight about security. They were unionized and could decide based on conscience vs costs. Dotcoms, though, followed a different trending, one that really focused on costs.

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  • comfy@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    There do exist somewhat legitimate sub-factions that actually take serious actions and do serious ops

    Any examples or sources for me to learn more about these? The only Anonymous news I’ve heard of since the early days is updates on Kirtaner.

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• Ozymati@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Can they do something useful like destroy the debt infrastructure and delete all student loans and medical bills?

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  • Freefall@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Anonymous tends to not do useful things. They just talk a lot.

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    • andros_rex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      “Anonymous” isn’t like a formal group. The entire point is that anyone can say that they are anonymous. So yeah, people talk a lot. You can do whatever you like as anonymous.

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    • nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      mostly they are spending hours scrolling through social media accounts of certain types of people looking for dox materials. that’s really about it

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  • potustheplant@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Spoiler

    You’ve been watching too much Mr. Robot.

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    • Petter1@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Tap for spoiler

      Or fight club

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  • buddascrayon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    A more useful thing would be to do as much damage to Twitter as possible. In fact, why they haven’t attacked Twitter while Musk has been disarming all of its safety protocols is fucking beyond me.

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    • Juice@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Attacking twitter would be more useful than deleting all debt? I mean go wild, take that shit ass site down but if you had a “delete twitter” button and a “delete all debt” button, mashing the second one would make you the greatest hero who ever lived.

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  • Randelung@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’m sure backups and redundancies are “inefficient” since “everything is in the cloud, anyway”.

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• Jackthelad@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Will it be like when they launched a load of DDoS attacks against Sony, of which the only impact was annoying regular people and doing nothing to the company they were supposedly going after?

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  • MagicShel@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They have always been techno-punks: anti-establishment and more style than substance. That being said, if nothing else, they were able to shine a light on shitty people and that’s more than most folks do.

    I wish they were getting into organizations and dumping gigs of documents detailing illegal and anti-consumer/citizen activities, but money and law enforcement really goes after anything with an actually impact that might affect wealth. No one actually gives a shit about a website being down. (Excepting like… Amazon or Google and good fucking luck with that.)

    So it’s like a flaming bag of shit left on a porch. They take care of it and shout “you damn punks!” But if you burn the barn down, every cop in the county will be interrogating everyone they can find until you are caught.

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    • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      TBH it seems like the Furry community are more effective than Anonymous ever will be.

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  • steal_your_face@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    You prob complain about protesters disrupting regular people too

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    • RedSnt@feddit.dk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      “Bloody Just Stop Oil protesters blocking the road, preventing me to go to work just so they can spread the message that we’re all going to die! I HAVE A MORTGAGE!”

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• meowmeowbeanz@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Ah, Anonymous—the digital equivalent of a fart in a hurricane. Trump’s America? Weakness isn’t new—it’s baked into the propaganda circus we’ve called democracy since Reagan. You think script kiddies and Elon’s crypto-bros “hacking fascism” will fix anything? Please. The real op is watching tech oligarchs and politicians collude while we argue about which flavor of dystopia we’re slurping.

  Infrastructure attacks? Bold move, Cotton. Let’s see how it works out when grandma’s dialysis machine gets bricked by some edgelord’s Python script. If you want revolution, stop fetishizing IRC nostalgia and touch grass. Until then, this is just digital graffiti on a burning trash barge.

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  • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’m not going to write off hacktivism so quickly.

    Even if it’s just a few defaced websites now and then, that’s a whole lot more effective than any other sort of activism I’ve seen to date.

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    • wuphysics87@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Even a god king bleeds

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    • meowmeowbeanz@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Oh, sure, let’s romanticize hacktivism, the digital equivalent of spray-painting a slogan on a collapsing wall. A few defaced websites? That’s your bar for effectiveness? The oligarchs aren’t losing sleep over a 404 page; they’re too busy consolidating power while you cheer for digital vandalism like it’s the French Revolution.

      Real change doesn’t come from poking at the system with a keyboard and hoping it flinches. If anything, these stunts just give them more excuses to tighten the noose—more surveillance, more control.

      You want to fight the machine? Build something better. Organize. Create infrastructure that can’t be co-opted. Until then, hacktivism is just a tantrum dressed up as resistance.

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  • veniasilente@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Are you okay?

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    • nomy@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      What a pointless thought-terminating comment.

      Do you have any actual critiques or just lame regurgitated snark to try to win imaginary points?

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• SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  It’ll take 40 years to fix the damage he’ll do in 4.

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  • IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I don’t think 4 years of accelerated climate damage is gonna be fixed in 40 years…

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  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    That assumes that we have a party interested in fixing anything.

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    • liv@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho will be interested.

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• Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They’re all talk and no bite. The world needs fsociety

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  • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The world fsociety brought about was shit

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    • Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      The final season they steal all of the money the ruling elites had been using to control the world, ending their grip on society.

      Could also be argued that the dark army did the most evil shit and the government siding with the deus group rather than taking the side of the citizens is why things spiraled after wiping out the debt history of everyone.

      Elon and the other people pulling the strings on society losing all their money would not be a bad thing for civilization at all

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• veniasilente@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  By all means do. It’s not like much of value is lost at this point.

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• NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Tomorrow

  Trump: By executive order, I dismantle the electornic warfare and defense division Musk: It doesn’t exist anymore!

  The day after

  Anonymous: They turned off their service that sanatized all inputs. We just stole everything from every department, and put cats on every governments webpage.

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  • ArtVandelay@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    “The government had both server and client side validation, which is totally wasteful and inefficient! I removed both and may the best one win!”

    Elmo, DOGE

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• Fedizen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  This is kinda what trump wants. If the government cant handle “online stuff” they, can pitch privatization. It hurts more if megacorps get hacked up. Though at this point I wou’d laugh if a bunch of internet nerds got the nuclear codes or locked up a bunch of satellites

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  • zalgotext@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    If the government cant handle “online stuff” they can pitch privatization.

    It kind of already is privatized. Most of the government’s cyber security efforts are handled by defense contractors.

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    • IMongoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      CISA actually monitored Internet traffic and would contact government entities (local, schools, universities, etc) when they were being attacked. I went to a talk once where they said they usually had response times in minutes, and it would take longer to figure out who they needed to alert and convince them that it was real. Now that CISA is gutted I would expect more and worse breaches in the future.

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  • bufalo1973@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Imagine if one nuclear head was pointed to every megacorp headquarters in the US.

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    • Cyber@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Don’t point at the HQs, point at their mansions / golf courses / private islands

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    • Fedizen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Ceo residences would do better. Force them all to live in the office hellscape they created.

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• prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well I hope they choose their targets right, otherwise it’ll just make everything worse.

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  • BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    That’s kind of inevitable right now. The most important thing is making sure Trump and the GOP get the blame.

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    • rational_lib@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      That’s gonna be a big ask. Republicans don’t even get the blame for the things they do themselves. Oligarch propaganda is everywhere and pernicious, look at how the average working class American has accepted the notion that low level bureaucrats are the reason they’re poor.

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    • PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      They’ll blame it on Obama, Hillary, Biden, communism, LGBTQ, Black people, immigrants, etc.

      They never take the blame - there’s always an ‘other’ to demonize.

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• HurlingDurling@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Anonymous, if you are going to do it, PLEASE make sure to leave the innocent people alone and go after the rich assholes that are doing this.

  Other than that, here’s my axe, go wild

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  • Ascend910@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Here is my 4 laptops, loaded up loic, give me ip, we roll

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    • xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      slow loris was a lot better that loic… i heard…

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  • SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Go vandalize Tom Tillis’ website. That’ll be your first test.

    www.tillis.senate.gov

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  • the_q@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    No one is innocent here.

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• phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  As much and as little that anonymous means, because of the name, because of what the name implies, because of what they do, claim they do, and well, we don’t know what they do… As much as all of that is true, it’s AWESOME to hear from them again, if it is them…

  I can’t wait to see “real” anonymous actions again, lord knows we can use it

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  • spicehoarder@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Genuine question, was it ever anything more than a bunch of 4chaners and script kiddies?

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  • IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Lol what even is a “real Anonymous”

    Its like “Antifa”, its not an organization, its an idea.

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  • LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I wanna see some more fax spamming.

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• WhatSay@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Hacker fashion tip: while wearing your guy fox mask, match it with a Luigi hat.

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• FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Image

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• WrenFeathers@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Aren’t they kind of notorious for empty promises?

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• HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Do it, attack America’s life points directly.

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• otter@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Don’t need to open Twitter to watch it

  www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI27LEimfYg

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• FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Oh wow. They’ll shut down a website for a day.

  Whoop-tee-doo.

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• Gammelfisch@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Hit the Government of Putin where it hurts.

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• St0ner@lemmy.wtf ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  hack the planet

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• miscellanii@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  If they actually gave a shit about spreading awareness, they’d find a way to get that video on Fox News, OANN, etc

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• AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Then do it

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• AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Exploit it? The EU thinks they can exploit the chaos? What are they going to do, give us universal health care, a strong safety net, consumer protections, renewable energy and TRAINNNNNNSSSSSSS? (Please, oh please)

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• drascus@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I will believe it when I see it this is likely just talk.

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• Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Anytime I see something about “Anonymous” I just assume it’s some kind of fed psyop until proven otherwise.

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• don@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Anonymous is bored again? Oh, okay.

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• SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Just brush the Funyun crumbs off of your shirt before starting.

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• Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  So, they are going to hurt innocent people to save the innocent people?

  How exactly does this help us? Why attack infrastructure we need to survive? So many other targets I feel would have better results.

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• Korkki@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  “America is becoming fascist” makes me cringe.

  It cannon become something that it has been for a long time. US was fascist under Clinton, Bush, Obama, first Trump admin, Biden and it keeps on the same track now. It’s less than useless rallying cry when US foreing policy alone in the past 70 years is a realworld example of the thought experiment of “what would have happened if nazi-germany had won WW2”. Genocide, war, coup, and dictatorship galore committed by the United States, especially after the 80s.

  In the end what this narrative is about is that precarious middle class liberals fear that even more of the practices that US has been spreading around the world are now coming home and now the US government will gut it’s own people instead of some foreigners. Even this isn’t unprecedented and at worst Trump can only make things worse for some, but for many what they fear is already reality.

  Makes me really think if this “Anonymous cell” has any real grass-roots basis or if it’s just the same coup-mongers hiding behind thin leftist veneer to just jump against Trump, who they see as destructive loose cannon to their operations, not as an real opponent. Nothing new for Anonymous name being used in this way btw. Where were they under Biden?

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