I can’t upvote this strongly enough. Social media is doing everything in the establishment’s favor - especially ingraining the habit of glancing at a news item and making an instant value judgement with minimal thought before scrolling along to the next item. It’s not just the endless scrolling and venting vs taking real action, it’s the encouragement of superficial thinking, which is solid gold for con men like Trump who depend on people jumping to stupid conclusions. People who get all their knowledge from memes are easier to fool than people who take time to think.
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LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Dasus@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I agree.
“Planet’s burning up, another genocide, fascism on the rise… ugh… where are the funny memes.”
Apathy is the greatest tool of the oppressor.
conartistpanda@lemmy.world 4 months ago
And boredom is a crime.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Apathy is the greatest tool of the oppressor.
apathy is the tool of the strong in the times of the weak.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It’s probably boomers’ fault for inventing PCs so GenX could create the Internet. They should have seen this coming!!!
Toribor@corndog.social 4 months ago
After working with computer software most of my life I’ve come to understand that if success relies on people ‘paying attention to something, making an informed decision and then performing an action’ that it is nearly impossible to get the desired outcome more than half the time.
We’re so fucked.
CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Agreed. After 30 years working in IT for various companies from 40 employees to 300,000 employees, I believe about 70-80% of the corporate work force has an elementary school level of reading comprehension at best.
In the last 10 years of my career I stopped writing emails with more than 1 question, because otherwise most people would reply and only answer the first thing I asked (often poorly), ignoring the entire rest of the email.
skittle07crusher@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Also in that field, but… I think you have to acknowledge that being, usually, in your example 1) at work and 2) on a computer, make people that much less interested in giving a shit. Compare to various systems people use in their free time, and you probably see that people are pretty good at attending to the things they think matter.
Capitalism, or, at the very very least, unfettered capitalism, are the real problem, not people writ large.
lonerangers1@lemmy.world 4 months ago
in my workshop I keep safety glasses at each station, and then some more just around. I bought 6 pairs of the same model after trying out 8-10 different styles so they fit and work well also. I still need to force myself sometimes to take 3 steps to put them on.
The people who sit down to put together a solution for our mess will need to plan this way too. They will need to factor in how to make it easy for people. How to get the desired path of the chaotic group to align with the solution.
For an idea, I have been thinking a lot about decentralization like here at lemmy. What if, the government, was social media. What if each post was a proposal, and the up and down votes were actual votes. It could replace all politicians. No more lobbyists paying $5k for policy implementation. They would need to bribe us all, which would just be us getting better quality of life. A system without centralized power.
If it was in the top 3 apps in the mainstream repositories millions would stumble into it on their own.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 4 months ago
They have done the same to liberals, just in a different way. Why do the harder thing when the easier thing is just as good? Most liberals already believe bullshit just as convenient for Trump.
How you support or not support an idea is not less important than what is that idea.
aesthelete@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Social media is doing everything in the establishment’s favor
For about half a second, people used social media to organize. Then the fascists saw how to manipulate and control it, and jumped at the opportunity. At this point social media – especially corporate controlled social media – is just part of the fascist apparatus.
To a lesser extent, as this article talks about, the coping mechanism of posting allows you to vent enough to prevent you from having the discomfort necessary to actually do anything. It’s not nearly as harmful, but it’s not good either.
OpenStars@piefed.social 4 months ago
Why read the article (especially if there's a paywall) when you can read - or even better *make* - the comments? 😜
Seriously, if the goal is that sweet sweet dopamine fix, then this is the most efficient means to achieve that end...
Thinking is hard, hence just don't do it! Better yet, downvote those who do as being "pretentious".
It's far easier to talk
rather than listenover others.
mox@lemmy.sdf.org 4 months ago
I suspect the vast majority of people turning to social media as a pressure release valve feel disempowered, and honestly don’t know what more they can reasonably do. How can a fly meaningfully change the orbit of a planet?
This article is insightful, but practically useless. I think it would be better if it also presented specific actions and achievable goals that would lead to shutting down encroaching fascism.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 4 months ago
People need to know that posting doesn’t actually do anything!
posts an article about it
callouscomic@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Posts comment about it.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 months ago
How about joining the Fediverse?
And ad blocking.
Seriously. Participation in Google/Meta/Tiktok/Whatever and their manipulative algorithms is what makes all this go around. Break their ad revenue, and you break their manipulation.
It’s easy. It’s free. And it would draw devs into developing/hosting more.
reksas@sopuli.xyz 4 months ago
in warhammer40k there was some saying about “armor of contempt” against influence of chaos. Imo, you need something similar against corporations to resist their shit.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Vast numbers of people feeling disempowered … sounds like the Trump crowd when he appeared and proclaimed himself their savior. Liberals are in for the same treatment from someone with a different sales pitch. Some people think that’s who Kamala Harris was, I truly believed in her, but maybe that was the whole plan and it’s already like professional wrestling - you win this match, I’ll win the next one, and we both take home the money. I dunno.
Tiger@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
It’s super helpful to identify the issue.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Well at least the article validated some of my feelings and gave me a sense identification of the problems I have been sensing around me with the flaccid liberal rebellion.
Hey wait a sec! Dammit!Most concrete action I can think of is some posts I remember seeing about coat-hanger do it yourself frontal lobotomies. I’ve seen plenty of very low IQ Americans with economic status as bad or worse than mine somehow perfectly happy with all the fascist shit that is going down. This seems like an opportunity to join in their bliss.
kilgore_trout@feddit.it 3 months ago
Voting can never be enough when you have two choices at best.
ICastFist@programming.dev 4 months ago
TLDR - We need more Luigis against the techbros
Haarukkateroitin@sopuli.xyz 4 months ago
surph_ninja@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I’m afraid you can’t vote or protest your way out of fascism. Only way out is to shoot.
CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You are correct. These people won’t be stopped with words or rational arguments. They are past the point of being able to cooperate. We will be killing each other before long. Sorry to say, but if you don’t have the tools and skills to do that, you might want to learn. Or be prepared to be owned or killed by those that do. Adolph Musk and crew want to OWN you or DESTROY you depending on how you look. Start preparing for what that means.
I fucking hate that it’s coming to this, but without a major change of direction (that I see no evidence of yet) that’s where this ends up. The red menace was in our own country the whole time.
I am an infantry veteran and I will be fighting on the correct side of history until I can’t anymore. I do wonder how many of my fellow comrades I might come into conflict with once this all kicks off.
rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
Except you won’t, because you are already coping on Lemmy
shalafi@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I’m on lemmy. Just got back from working with firearms at my camp today.
Turns out some mags need oiled, a dead scope battery (no extras on hand!), new shotgun strikes light, need to adjust the trigger pull (again), new 10-round AR mags are a dream, not sure about the red-dot, but it puts steel on target as far as I’m able to shoot.
As always my Colt 1911 Government Model is flawless with every mag. Compact Ruger 9mm fired flawlessly, hard to aim a 2.75" barrel. About my crappiest gun, the Taurus Spectrum, actually ran perfectly. Weirder things have happened. (It always runs perfectly, just jams on the last round, every time.)
Rotated out some old ammo, had more than I thought! Guess I was being extra conservative on holding. :)
surph_ninja@lemmy.world 4 months ago
For sure. This is all hypothetical. No real threats of violence here.
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Not enough ammo…
They have the popular vote, most gun nuts are right wing. And they have the military, most of which voted trump. Are there even enough people who are left of center to fight against that?
surph_ninja@lemmy.world 4 months ago
That’s just what they want you to believe. Most of the country does not support the capitalists. Support for Luigi remains bi-partisan.
beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org 4 months ago
The US has experience being beaten by smaller, poorly-armed forces.
labbbb2@thelemmy.club 4 months ago
[deleted]Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Ignoring all the times that violence did in fact help won’t help.
golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
I am trying to get people I know personally to stop posting and reading and instead begin to focus on the very basics of actual organization.
I have collected and written up information for them with the consideration that they are non-technical, pertaining to secure and private communications primarily, but also many more potentially useful emergency-scenario information and data which I will not speak about here.
The package I have started giving to my friends contains information such as:
- How to communicate securely using something like Simplex or I2P
- How to correctly configure and use a VPN
- How to flash a security distribution of Linux such as TailsOS to a flash drive and how to boot to it from a computer
- How to securely encrypt data to a device using an encryption software with hidden volume features such as VeraCrypt
- A litany of manuals for all kinds of useful information you can use in emergencies, which I will not detail here
- Files containing the data required to build potentially useful items in emergencies given access to the correct hardware which I will not detail here
I firmly believe that the majority of Americans will not do anything until someone is actually showing up at their door, coming after them in the street, or destroying the regularities of their personal day to day life, so my intention is to disseminate materials which they can turn to when the fear sets into them well enough that they are scared to talk about such things openly.
It is clear to me that most of my American friends at least, at this point, still only feel superficial fear and outrage. The other day I asked them “If you had to vandalize a public space with a piece of art, what would you draw or paint? Let’s say it is the side of a bank”.
One said “tits”, one said “flowers”, one said “a fox”.
Even in a fantasy, they would not express fear or outrage in a public setting.
reksas@sopuli.xyz 4 months ago
i have been trying to look for any organization that would try to do something. I know i cant found anything like that myself so best i can do is support someone else. I have no idea where to even look or are there even such groups in my city or even country.
Only one i know of (extinction rebellion) are basically glorified facebook group(at least their local group, no idea how they are in general) that might occasionally do something that causes slight outrage and not even about the issue, just against them.
aesthelete@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Is signal not good enough or something? I basically switched to signal.
witten@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It’s good, but it’s centralized. Let’s say an authoritarian regime shuts down the central Signal servers. Then what?
Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Let’s see that package
humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 4 months ago
That’s what she said
golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
I can’t share it all here for reasons I can’t detail.
I may do a second write up at some point for public distribution and if so, I will share it with you here.
YungOnions@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Shamelessly reposting this here, because it seems relevant:
Negative news has a greater impact on people than positive: assets.csom.umn.edu/assets/71516.pdf
Media sites know this, and use it to drive engagement:
www.nature.com/articles/s41562-023-01538-4
independent.co.uk/…/social-media-facebook-twitter…
And so, negative headlines are getting worse: journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/jour…
But negative news is addictive and psychologically damaging: psychologytoday.com/…/the-psychological-impact-ne…
So it’s important to try and stay positive:
www.goodgoodgood.co/…/benefits-of-good-news
If you want a break from the constant negativity, here are some sites that report specifically on positive news:
- www.goodgoodgood.co
- www.goodnewsnetwork.org
- fixthenews.com
- positivenewsfoundation.org
- www.onlygoodnewsdaily.com
And here’s 35 more: news.feedspot.com/good_news_websites/
Some communities on Lemmy you might be interested in:
- !lemmybewholesome@lemmy.world
- !goodnewseveryone@sh.itjust.works
- !upliftingnews@lemmy.world
- lemmy.world/c/hopeposting
- lemmy.world/c/worldinprogress
- lemmy.world/c/climatehope
Remember, realistic optimism is important and, unlike what some might have you believe, is not the same as blissful ignorance or ‘burying your head in the sand’: learning-mind.com/realistic-optimism-blind-positi…
www.centreforoptimism.com/realisticoptimism
And doesn’t mean you must stay uninformed on current affairs: www.goodgoodgood.co/…/how-to-stop-doom-scrolling
whalebiologist@lemmy.world 4 months ago
thanks for the links, looking forward to checking them out.
YungOnions@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You’re welcome
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 4 months ago
But when it comes to addressing the problems we face, no amount of posting or passive info consumption is going to substitute the hard, unsexy work of organizing.
No shit, so when I’d say this in year 2013, it wasn’t worthless nerd screeching aimed at satisfying my hunger for attention which I don’t get because I’m a worthless nerd and can’t accept the new world where tech helps, you know, normal socialized people, not like me, to fix every problem with their mutual likes and reposts and flashmobs.
Seems damn clear that radio reproductors on German streets didn’t help against Nazism.
OpenStars@piefed.social 4 months ago
I would argue that journalism is necessary, just not sufficient, for moving into the future.
Ironically this is true for every one of the myriad sides in this conflict.
I recall a sci-fi book from CS Lewis... anyway my point is that this was well known after WWII, and probably often had to be rediscovered throughout history. Strong societies produce weak children and so on. We've had our Yin, now time for the karmic Yang to brutalize us for being so extremely negligent.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Maybe it’s better to refrain from growing strong men, though, just average will do, with average children, not weak.
jimjam5@lemmy.world 4 months ago
For those who are feeling disheartened or numb and want/need a little push to get things started, you should check out AOC’s video she posted. It’s like an hour and a half long but she does a good job breaking down the situation, acknowledging the challenges, but also provides examples of things you and everyone else can do to resist.
In her own words/examples, you don’t have to feel like it’s all on just you to rollback illegal FAA staff appointments, to stop musk harvesting USAID, etc. There are specific concrete actions you can take within your capacity to make a difference.
AfricanGrey@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
You can’t even get Lemmings to leave Facebook because “muh marketplace” or “muh Auntie I haven’t seen in a decade.” Good luck. Y’all are addicted to this shit.
Rooty@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The revoltion will not be televised - Gill Scott Heron
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Even people agreeing with this are wary of any revolution which is not in some way being televised. And more trusting to television than to what they can see with their own eyes.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
literally just don’t doomscroll, go read my recent post over in eudaimonia.
You literally just don’t have to do it lmao.
reksas@sopuli.xyz 4 months ago
that requires effort to move away from platforms that force you to doomscroll with their algorithm. For many people that is very strong chain. If you relinquish your mind its not easy to even see the reason to take it back on your own.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
it requires effort for sure, but even if you don’t want to permanently do it, just spend like a week, without using tiktok or something.
It’s worth it. At least let yourself understand both worlds fully.
the_q@lemm.ee 4 months ago
I straight up hate that so many people are just now brushing up against the fact that everything is marketing. Everything is purposeful. Everything is sinister. Goddamn.
nullPointer@programming.dev 4 months ago
“bread and circuses” has been a effective strategy for thousands of years.
quazar@lemmy.world 4 months ago
which is why i refused to pay for tv/movies. I refused to spend my hard earned money on their “circus”
88leo@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Agree, best thing we can do is starve their platforms and deny them advertising revenue. Just delete our accounts.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
I have the social skills of a cholla cactus and so when someone says ѻɼﻭคกٱչﻉ ץѻપɼ กﻉٱﻭɦ๒ѻɼɦѻѻɗ กﻉՇฝѻɼᛕ I find it only confusing and unintelligible. I did consider making cookies for my neighbors with a notice saying _I don’t know how to ዐዪኗልክጎጊቿ ል ክቿጎኗዘጌዐዪዘዐዐዕ ክቿፕሠዐዪጕ but maybe someone else does…here’s some cookies? Mind you, my neighborhood is a tad lower class and has an air of desperation so they may not trust my cookies.
It’s a thought. My kitchen appliances are lent out right now, and I don’t actually know how to bake.
But I seem to understand enough leftist theory to bridge those who, like me, have been brainwashed to see communism and socialism as derisives and terms of contempt.
I’m also going through a psychotic break because a lot of stressors piled up at the same time seventy-seven million voters decided to give the Genie’s lamp to Jaffar.
TheFunkyPickle@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
This is a very enlighting article
Posted from my iPhone
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 4 months ago
What a useless pile of words spent moaning about ad clicks, specifically to gain ad clicks.
Don’t talk, “organize.”
Okay, how? How do we effectively organize to fight against an enemy who has already for all intents and purposes won, in a way that won’t get us rounded up and shot by the Gestapo? Please tell us.
“We don’t know, that’s your problem. Just ‘organize.’”
58008@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Organising to do what exactly? A majority of the US population wants this nightmare. The Trump administration is expected to destroy norms and institutions to bring about their bigot’s utopia, they ran on that promise.
It’s really that dire. It’s beyond the reach of the checks and balances that have kept things somewhat on-track up until just after 9/11. Checks and balances are precisely what the voters want to delete from the courts.
If Trump wants a 3rd term, he will get it, and his voters will not be moved by marches or sit-ins or AOC exquisitely calling out the scum and villainy from the floor of the senate. Either talk Luigification, or let the people post their fucking memes in peace.
Kryptenx@lemmy.world 4 months ago
LF leftists in Kansas. Organize
yarr@feddit.nl 4 months ago
For better or worse, this seems to be way less of a problem on the Fediverse. I can’t tell if it’s because it’s federated OR if it’s because corporate America hasn’t woken up to it (yet?!?). I find way more interesting discussions on lemmy than anywhere else on the net. Hopefully it stays that way!
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
Sounds like a complicit media attempting to absolve itself.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 4 months ago
For anyone interested here is the CIA’s publicly available field manual for simple sabotage. Dated, but mostly still relevant.
menemen@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I feel personally attacked, I agree with the article, but painfully so.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Reminder that the USA has a nationwide strike at State Capital Buildings TODAY.
morrowind@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
Even violent fantasies about putting billionaires to the guillotine are rendered inept in these online spaces—just another pressure release valve to harmlessly dissipate our rage instead of compelling ourselves to organize and act.
ahem lemmy
perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 4 months ago
“I’m glad there’s OxyContin and video games to keep those people quiet”, allegedly - Andreessen
big_slap@lemmy.world 4 months ago
getting the fediverse into the mainstream should be our focus, no one entity will be able to silence a group
zealshock@slrpnk.net 4 months ago
Funny, I find this in my doomscroll app. I just want out, man
mindaika@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Disagree. Calling leftists Nazis for not voting for Harris is basically the same thing as Stalingrad
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
The greatest thing that social media ever did for humanity was in its ability to allow all of us to talk to each other in an open platform.
Those private corporate platforms have slowly been eroded and controlled to only waste our time and designed to keep us all angry, afraid, anxious and confused.
Open decentralized social media is bringing us back to that era 20 years ago when social media was just starting and people just talked and openly discussed the issues of the day with one another. It doesn’t matter what kind of platform we have or can create, as long as it is decentralized and controlled by people, everyone will always find value in it because it allows us to talk to one another. The greatest thing I’ve ever found in taking part in the fediverse was in connecting to like minded people who want to talk about the important issues of the day without all the distractions of advertising and without having having to give up my privacy or security and have my identity sold to the highest bidder.
SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Same. I’ve learned a lot since I joined Lemmy.
I genuinely believe centralised social media was created to make you feel like you’re doing something.
heavydust@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
I was doing that just fine 30/40 years ago with BBS, newsgroups, and later with forums such as Lemmy. Social media put a name or a face on people, and was combined with the regular “eternal septembers,” but it didn’t bring anything useful to the conversation IMHO.
bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 4 months ago
It did break down the barriers for those less technical by bringing the conversation to a web browser that was certainly more accessible as opposed to a terminal, for better or worse. It’s not far off from the fediverse in that it does take some technical understanding to navigate, which does create a sort of barrier. Now, whether that is good or bad is a subject of debate, and I’m inclined to agree that the more accessible a platform is, the more watered down the conversations become.
Zorque@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You are the exception, not the rule. Just because you have an easy time with something does not mean everyone does. Everyone experiences interaction in a different way.
Just because it brings no value to your life does not mean that opinion is universal.
alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
The next step, in my opinion, is strong privacy and decentralized organization that fully leverages constitutional rights.
I.e. a privacy preserving social media where labour unions, political parties and religious groups can federate with each other. Servers hosted on their premises and members register through an on-premise process.
A church in a foreign country could generate a thousand aliases and distribute them to their federated sister organizations in a privacy preserving way. Only the church knows which organizations got which aliases and they protect this information.
Your local labour union chapter picks up 20 of those aliases and distributes them to members. They are the only one who knows the person behind the alias.
An observer in this private fediverse trying to obtain the identity would first need to approach the church. The church can stall them and warn downstream through a canary.
The labour union chapter observes the canary and immediately wipes all information.
And if that fails, then full I2P and Tor, with nodes hosted on-premise of churches, political parties and labour unions.
bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Hate to say it, but there’s the very real possibility those days are numbered.
As it sits, those of us that are savvy need to be actively using and promoting privacy-centric communications methodology to ensure we have a means to communicate safely and effectively as time goes on and those tights are further eroded. I don’t see the internet completely dying, given the technical nature of it, but peering and connectivity will likely be hampered in the coming months and years, so it is in our best interest to find and employ feasible solutions now to attempt getting out ahead of anything those muppets come up with.
Irelephant@lemm.ee 4 months ago
I love mastodon because its actual people I’m following, so I can see whats happening in their lives, in contrast to twitter, which just showed me constant outrage bait and shitposts.
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
I’ve been lazy on Mastodon because I’ve been spending all my time on Lemmy … I really should do more there in the future … thanks for the reminder.
fuzzy_ad@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Unless the mods remove your posts.
samus12345@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Then start your own server and post whatever you want.