getting the fediverse into the mainstream should be our focus, no one entity will be able to silence a group
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Submitted 1 year ago by ForgottenFlux@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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big_slap@lemmy.world 1 year ago
sbv@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
when it comes to addressing the problems we face, no amount of posting or passive info consumption is going to substitute the hard, unsexy work of organizing.
The fediverse is great, but the problem is that it isn’t organizing. It isn’t mobilizing people to scare politicians and businesses into behaving better.
big_slap@lemmy.world 1 year ago
true
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
The greatest thing that social media ever did for humanity was in its ability to allow all of us to talk to each other in an open platform.
Those private corporate platforms have slowly been eroded and controlled to only waste our time and designed to keep us all angry, afraid, anxious and confused.
Open decentralized social media is bringing us back to that era 20 years ago when social media was just starting and people just talked and openly discussed the issues of the day with one another. It doesn’t matter what kind of platform we have or can create, as long as it is decentralized and controlled by people, everyone will always find value in it because it allows us to talk to one another. The greatest thing I’ve ever found in taking part in the fediverse was in connecting to like minded people who want to talk about the important issues of the day without all the distractions of advertising and without having having to give up my privacy or security and have my identity sold to the highest bidder.
Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I love mastodon because its actual people I’m following, so I can see whats happening in their lives, in contrast to twitter, which just showed me constant outrage bait and shitposts.
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I’ve been lazy on Mastodon because I’ve been spending all my time on Lemmy … I really should do more there in the future … thanks for the reminder.
SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Same. I’ve learned a lot since I joined Lemmy.
I genuinely believe centralised social media was created to make you feel like you’re doing something.
fuzzy_ad@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Open decentralized social media is bringing us back to that era 20 years ago when social media was just starting and people just talked and openly discussed the issues of the day with one another.
Unless the mods remove your posts.
samus12345@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Then start your own server and post whatever you want.
alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
The next step, in my opinion, is strong privacy and decentralized organization that fully leverages constitutional rights.
I.e. a privacy preserving social media where labour unions, political parties and religious groups can federate with each other. Servers hosted on their premises and members register through an on-premise process.
A church in a foreign country could generate a thousand aliases and distribute them to their federated sister organizations in a privacy preserving way. Only the church knows which organizations got which aliases and they protect this information.
Your local labour union chapter picks up 20 of those aliases and distributes them to members. They are the only one who knows the person behind the alias.
An observer in this private fediverse trying to obtain the identity would first need to approach the church. The church can stall them and warn downstream through a canary.
The labour union chapter observes the canary and immediately wipes all information.
And if that fails, then full I2P and Tor, with nodes hosted on-premise of churches, political parties and labour unions.
bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 1 year ago
constitutional rights
Hate to say it, but there’s the very real possibility those days are numbered.
As it sits, those of us that are savvy need to be actively using and promoting privacy-centric communications methodology to ensure we have a means to communicate safely and effectively as time goes on and those tights are further eroded. I don’t see the internet completely dying, given the technical nature of it, but peering and connectivity will likely be hampered in the coming months and years, so it is in our best interest to find and employ feasible solutions now to attempt getting out ahead of anything those muppets come up with.
heavydust@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
allow all of us to talk to each other
I was doing that just fine 30/40 years ago with BBS, newsgroups, and later with forums such as Lemmy. Social media put a name or a face on people, and was combined with the regular “eternal septembers,” but it didn’t bring anything useful to the conversation IMHO.
Zorque@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You are the exception, not the rule. Just because you have an easy time with something does not mean everyone does. Everyone experiences interaction in a different way.
Just because it brings no value to your life does not mean that opinion is universal.
bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 1 year ago
It did break down the barriers for those less technical by bringing the conversation to a web browser that was certainly more accessible as opposed to a terminal, for better or worse. It’s not far off from the fediverse in that it does take some technical understanding to navigate, which does create a sort of barrier. Now, whether that is good or bad is a subject of debate, and I’m inclined to agree that the more accessible a platform is, the more watered down the conversations become.
88leo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Agree, best thing we can do is starve their platforms and deny them advertising revenue. Just delete our accounts.
YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I don’t know, i was thinking about it and it seems like they would love it if we would just unplug like that, because then we couldn’t reach the majority of people because they’re only using those platforms. I fucking hate psyop bullshit for making me have to question every single fucking thought like that.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What a useless pile of words spent moaning about ad clicks, specifically to gain ad clicks.
Don’t talk, “organize.”
Okay, how? How do we effectively organize to fight against an enemy who has already for all intents and purposes won, in a way that won’t get us rounded up and shot by the Gestapo? Please tell us.
“We don’t know, that’s your problem. Just ‘organize.’”
OpenStars@piefed.social 1 year ago
You won't find such on Lemmy, we are far too niche here, and we barely have "news" that isn't using Arch btw.
But AOC gave a talk a couple days ago if that's what you are looking for: https://youtu.be/CVgNJf6CsBA. (And yes, I searched, but Lemmy has no matches to any variation of this link that I tried. Meanwhile it's all over Bluesky and Reddit. Make of that what you will.)
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You’re already on a decentralized platform that can be used to help with that. You can also make plans with a close group of friends/family you trust to figure out ways you can help resist. Use encrypted communications platforms to talk to them. There’s plenty of ways to do stuff beyond apathetic doomerism.
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
The article is full of examples of ways people have organized.
88leo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Get on the streets and see how else is there and organize with them the old fashioned gen-x way.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 year ago
But when it comes to addressing the problems we face, no amount of posting or passive info consumption is going to substitute the hard, unsexy work of organizing.
No shit, so when I’d say this in year 2013, it wasn’t worthless nerd screeching aimed at satisfying my hunger for attention which I don’t get because I’m a worthless nerd and can’t accept the new world where tech helps, you know, normal socialized people, not like me, to fix every problem with their mutual likes and reposts and flashmobs.
Seems damn clear that radio reproductors on German streets didn’t help against Nazism.
OpenStars@piefed.social 1 year ago
I would argue that journalism is necessary, just not sufficient, for moving into the future.
Ironically this is true for every one of the myriad sides in this conflict.
I recall a sci-fi book from CS Lewis... anyway my point is that this was well known after WWII, and probably often had to be rediscovered throughout history. Strong societies produce weak children and so on. We've had our Yin, now time for the karmic Yang to brutalize us for being so extremely negligent.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Maybe it’s better to refrain from growing strong men, though, just average will do, with average children, not weak.
TheFunkyPickle@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
This is a very enlighting article
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