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Google has a browser now?
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Submitted 1 year ago by ForgottenFlux@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
5dh@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
I’m wondering how Apple will handle this in Safari.
celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Why did they let an extension that blatantly undermines their goals onto the chrome store in the first place?
5dh@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
It sorta protected Chrome’s monopoly in the browser world for years. Now that they’ve established that monopoly firmly, it’s time to crack down on things that diminish monetisation.
hjjanger@lemmy.world 1 year ago
A web extension isn’t going to be that much of a game changer for Firefox. Usage is down, new profile rate is down, concerning financials towards Firefox and this issue has been ongoing for sometime with ublock. This isn’t meant to diss ublock though.
I don’t have much hope for Mozilla attracting more users to make userbase count impact. Hopefully overpaid execs proves my pessimism wrong about my favorite browser.
wabafee@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s going to be internet explorer era again. I wonder which will replace chrome in the future.
fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I have hopes, that servo as a little more independent web engine, will thrive in the future
hjjanger@lemmy.world 1 year ago
How? If you would have said Chromium based era, then sure, possible. Internet Explorer for 64 bit was officially retired June 15, 2022 and permanently disabled through an Edge update.
nonfuinoncuro@lemm.ee 1 year ago
it’s not literally just an analogy how a single browser guided by private corporate interests is treated as the only standard
sandbox@lemmy.world 1 year ago
We’re going to have a serious problem on our hands soon with compatibility. I’m a software dev and I’m already seeing a few issues here and there where Chrome is being treated as the default expected browser and features don’t work on Firefox.
Firefox doesn’t support a fair few Chrome features because of security and privacy reasons, such as WebHID, WebUSB, etc.
Devs, please stop using those features. I know it’s tempting, but they’re basically bribes to encourage you to sell out to Google. Don’t do it.
altec@midwest.social 1 year ago
I just don’t use services that don’t work with Firefox. Easy.
SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Yep. There are plenty of other ways to do something that don’t require selling out.
linearchaos@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Google’s working on fixing that for you right now. That’s more people switch to Firefox and there’s futures don’t work they’ll start complaining to the developers and then to Firefox. Microsoft road the it only works in IE train for a long time and it eventually buried them
spookedintownsville@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Most “Chrome-only” web applications I have to use I can get around just by changing my user agent string and everything works fine. I try not to use that stuff when I can, though.
sandbox@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Some of the older stuff is indeed that way, but there are more and more features which Firefox can’t support. Web-based custom keyboard configuration tools, tools to flash phone firmware, and one niche MiniDisc tool all are chrome-only things I’ve had to open Chrome to use
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
We’re going to have a serious problem on our hands soon with compatibility. I’m a software dev and I’m already seeing a few issues here and there where Chrome is being treated as the default expected browser and features don’t work on Firefox.
It’s basically IE6 and ActiveX all over again.
Randelung@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Teams calls for example :( I have chromium on my Debian only for teams.
Frays6142@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Teams works in Firefox, I sadly have to use it almost every day interacting with clients who use teams for comms.
pumpkinseedoil@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I’m using Firefox as my only browser. If everything works in Firefox that’s fine for me.
That’s the best advantage of only making websites / web applications for fun (for friend groups, video games, family etc)
sandbox@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah, but that’s my point, not everything works in Firefox now and my prediction is that if we continue on our current course Firefox will either have to compromise their commitment to privacy and security or will become more and more unusable.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I find it funny how so many people are switching back to firefox but its been my default since I was like 10. I had crappy laptops when I was young and it was the only one that worked, it works amazingly for my modern computer.
stoy@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Yeah, I remember when Chrome was first released, I was already on Firefox, and I downloaded and tried Chrome…
I absolutely hated the UI, and kept on using Firefox.
Over the years, I have seen many articles about how Chrome is better because it is faster, I never had an issue with Firefox, so I kept using it.
The only time I swiched from Firefox since version 1.0 was when they launched the Australis redesign as it made it look like a boring chrome copy.
I swiched to Pale Moon, a Fitefox fork which kept the old UI, then when they released the Quantum redesign, I switched back.
Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Same for me. Cool my commonly used Websites load 0.05ms faster - idc. Still gonna use firefox
yamanii@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I fail to see the issue.
VantaBrandon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The Fox has been re-promoted to my daily driver as of this year. Chrome still in play for work stuff & sites don’t have ads.
Harvey656@lemmy.world 1 year ago
While this will drive some users to Firefox, we all know it won’t be enough. Too many people simple don’t know, or don’t care, it won’t affect their lives in any meaningful way, or so they will believe. Google will be harming the tech illiterate and normies (sorry for the slur) because money, bullshit, and to drive the stake deeper into the monopoly. If you have older family members using chrome, sit them down and explain to them the dangers of the internet without adblock.
forgotaboutlaye@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If you have older family members, you could try just installing Firefox for them and tell them it’s their internet now. This worked for me parents.
yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Same
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Not for mine, they couldn’t make the switch even though everything was the same
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It gets me thinking. Tech literate people are the types to install blockers, and would be the same type of people both motivated and knowledgeable about how to switch browsers. On the line of thinking it seems like it is just going to drive them away from Chrome. Tech illiterate people remain unaffected since they are getting ads anyway.
But then on the other hand, if someone is tech literate then why are they even still using Chrome? Does such a person value whatever advantage Chrome theoretically provides over their ad-blocking?
shneancy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
as a chromium browser user - i’ve been meaning to switch to firefox, and i know it’ll take me maybe a day, but it feels like so much workkkk. In a similar fashion i’ve been meaning to switch to Linux for ages too. I guess it just hasn’t gotten bad enough for me to take action
as long as my adblockers & script blockers work, i’m not forced to upgrade to win11, and win10 still has security updates i don’t think it’s pushing on my discomfort buttons strong enough. I know the day will come, but like with a lot of things in my life - why do something today when i can do it tomorrow?
RangerJosie@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Some? Some you say?
dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Unfortunately, yes.
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 1 year ago
5dh@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Agreed, but I don’t understand the point of this image? Am I dumb?
Mwa@lemm.ee 1 year ago
One of the reasons why I left chomium based browsersp
umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
When new fearures added to V3, will Mozilla port it to V2 too?
Gestrid@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
IIRC, they’ve said they’ll implement V3 to maintain compatibility, but they’ll also continue to maintain V2. You, the extension developer, will not be forced to use V3 if you don’t want to.
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
educated guess: since firefox is implementing v3 support alongside their v2 extensions, there shouldn’t be any issues running v2 and v3 extensions side by side in the foreseeable future
Excigma@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think they are wondering if one extension can use both v2 and v3 APIs at once? As in whether v3 APIs will be “backported” to allow v2 extensions to use them
bokherif@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Man fuck google
quant@leminal.space 1 year ago
If only banks and government websites moved their asses and stopped mentioning Internet Explorer for one more time…
portside@monyet.cc 1 year ago
I’ve fully switched to Firefox everywhere. The only thing I’m missing is a lightweight browser which is not based on chromium for my potato tablet. jQuarks viewer is a good one but can be dumb sometimes, it opens image instead of the link for eg.
MunkysUnkEnz0@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Not sure if they’re still round, but I used to use opera.
Acid2688@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Opera ditched their browser engine. They use chromium now.
sirico@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Waiting for Mozilla to shoot their own foot again
ikidd@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Make sure to shit on them every fucking time anyone says the name “Mozilla”, that’ll help us not have anything except Chrome in a couple years.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s fine, there are open source projects underway. If any one of them gains traction, it could happen to Mozilla what happened to Unity with Godot. Here’s to hoping they get their act straight sooner tan later.
ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
They just did, they are gonna work more with advertisers.
VitaminH@midwest.social 1 year ago
Didn’t they just announce recently that they were going to work more with advertisers? blog.mozilla.org/…/improving-online-advertising/
Live_Let_Live@lemmy.world 1 year ago
People completely misunderstand this feature (which is only a temporary prototype anyways), and I think that’s entirely Mozilla’s fault. They do a really poor job explaining it.
Usually ad networks implement sophisticated tracking, which works in a highly invasive way. They need the telemetry to watch their campaigns. Firefox now offers the option to collect a minimal amount of data for them and inform the network indirectly.
This is a good thing for the end user. The trackers are not needed, you gain privacy. Disabling the option makes it so you’re instantly tracked MORE.
Mozilla shouldn’t have staged this as an opt-out of the new system. You actually OPT-IN to networks running their old scripts on your machine to collect your telemetry:
[ ] Allow ad networks to run their own telemetry
(Beta functionality, some advertisers may still run their own trackers, even when this option is disabled.)
That would be the same thing, but communicate what it’s doing.
The fact that advertisers like Meta might be on board with this should be exciting to people. That they are even considering giving up so much data and now only receive a single number of impressions per campaign is very unexpected.
Also, none of this matters if you block ads anyways. If you don’t load the ad, neither the networks script runs its telemetry, nor does Firefox increase the counter for the campaign id.
If you’re wondering what’s every involved party’s gain in this, an interesting read is the IPA white paper, where the overall design targets for the system are stated: Interoperable Private Attribution (IPA), 2022
In particular:
In designing IPA, we set out to find a win-win-win solution for cross platform attribution measurement that met our goals across privacy, utility, and competition.
• Privacy: data collected about the user is minimized, protecting the end-users privacy. • Utility: the telemetry process is unified and simplified across all platforms, reducing the costs • Competition: it will be an open, standardized system, accessible to everyone
Just to be clear, I dislike the way Mozilla rolled this out. They already have a “Studies” checkmark that people can enable if they wish to participate in stuff like this. That Mozilla treats this prototype differently is actually not ok, and breaks trust with their users. But as far as I’m concerned, this is a completely separate topic from the update content, which I wish to be successful.
GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 1 year ago
How to improve online advertising: Step 1: remove all online advertising
stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
again?
PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Before chrome became massively popular, Firefox was very popular. ie was still the most used browser back then
LifeOfChance@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Firefox isn’t far behind now. They just announced ads are coming and they know their platform is used heavily with ad blocking extensions so they’ll cut it
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I don’t understand seemingly intelligent people who still blindly use chrome at this point…
Stern@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m only using it atm for extensions that are, ironically enough, blocked on Firefox… Though thats only one website in particular.
cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You’d be amazed at what seemingly intelligent people will do or say or believe.
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I know people who I thought brilliant until they said they were voting for trump. Way to shatter my opinion of you, jagoff.
stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
It’s not about intelligence it’s about what keeps you up at night. Most people aren’t bothered by cookies and ads, somehow.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Most people are stupid, myopic imbeciles that arent bothered by anything until it personally affects them.
Then they’ll howl like wolves at the moon about the great injustice of it all, and how could anyone allow this to happen.
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
this is something i cannot understand. my brain would fking die from the seizures the modern, ad infested web induces.
thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
For those of us who work in (or love) tech - we (myself included) grossly overestimate how much the general public cares about, or cares to be informed about, this stuff. Heck, even people in tech who know better.
I wish it wasn’t the case but look how long and hard Microsoft moved on Internet Explorer and ActiveX back in the early days of the web.
Google and Chrome is just another bit of history repeating.
As an aside, I’ve been using Zen for about a week and it’s been wonderful. Easy transition from Firefox because it largely is Firefox, so anll my containers, extensions, annd settings carried over. Zen’s workspaces provide exactly the promise I’d hoped “tab groups” brought with Safari (but never worked right). I just wish there was an equivalent to the Hush plug-in on Safari (even after a year of full-timing FF, consent-o-matic is quite poor).
Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Yeah I work in tech and I’m the only one that cares enough to use Firefox. All my colleagues use chrome or chrome with makeup.
Maybe ad blocking will be what broke the camel’s back, but I doubt more than a few will care enough to switch.
FinalRemix@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I kinda have to at work. Our classroom computers reset between classes and Chrome is the only browser installed. I might ask IT about that, moving forward, given uBlock getting neutered soon.
alphabethunter@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I have a similar issue at my school as well. Chrome is the only allowed browser, and each of us have to use our own school email as our login session in chrome, so we get that much of user space, and that actually works quite decently. I had ublock installed on my user account so far, but if it breaks, I’ll just have to suffer. Although, the real problem is that the school I work in uses some digital books that only work 100% in Chrome, and all show some form of weird behaviour in non-chromiun based browsers. And there’s a 0 chance they are changing it.
GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
suddenly 20 new chromium forks appear
Huh, where’d those come from, I wonder. 🤔
USSEthernet@startrek.website 1 year ago
When is this happening? I’ve been telling my wife and kid that they need to stop using chrome for a year, but ublock is still working for them and blocking YouTube ads. They are the type that won’t switch until it becomes a problem for them.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Move, yeah. To Firefox… meh. The writing’s not on the wall yet, but we’re not going to ignore the very heavy signaling Mozilla has been doing for years now.
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I heard that google is sending fake focus groups invites to males around your area. Yeah, it’s true! Someone gullible enough to drive to their facility and sit in their special google chairs. Once they sit, the chair 💺 traps them and a small machine arm approaches in between their legs, injects local anesthesia and procedes to remove the genitalia. It was a really well done Fox News report that I heard on MPR. It’s supposed to be part of alphabet’s war on cancer. They will eventually have the robots smart enough to remove only cancer cells. But yeah, for now it’s removing the whole thing. So be on the lookout for that. And ads! I hate the ads!
Engywuck@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Browsers with in built adblocker or system wide AdGuard.
iopq@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Or Firefox?
2pt_perversion@lemmy.world 1 year ago
~laughs in firefox~
jakobmn@feddit.dk 1 year ago
I just installed Postmarket OS on my Arm based Chromebook, to be able to switch to Firefox.
hogmomma@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“Might.”
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Opera GX users rejoice
github.com/Godiesc/firefox-gx
You don’t have to relearn a layout
Dremor@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Hello fellow bird watcher.