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There’s no need to wait. Just switch to Firefox now. All the cool kids have already done it.
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Submitted 6 months ago by ForgottenFlux@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Soggy@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Some of us never left.
stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
people who used Firefox since high school😎😎
Empricorn@feddit.nl 6 months ago
Some of us switched to Chrome when it was legitimately better, but are back now.
sudo@lemmy.today 6 months ago
The cool kids are switching to Librewolf because whatever is happening at Mozilla is increasingly concerning by the day.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Uh-huh. Which uses Mozilla’s renderer. So, all those upstream commits in Libewolf’s code base are coming from where, exactly?
Tilgare@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I was pretty sure manifest v3 had already happened - but when I knew it was coming, I went ahead and switched ahead of time. Came with the extra bonus that now I’m ad free on mobile too! Mobile websites are absolutely filthy with popovers and 2 sentence paragraphs with an ad between every paragraph. I’m sick of it. And unfortunately I spend so much more time browsing the web from my phone these days than my desktop - so when I swapped on pc to Firefox, it was such a relief to have browser extensions on my phone now too.
MC_Lovecraft@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I remember the internet before Google, and how game changing it was to have all of the internet indexed in one place (even if that wasn’t actually quite true back then). If you had asked me 15, 10, even 5 years ago if I would be cheering its downfall and yearning for a return to a simpler, far less centralized internet, I would have called you crazy. And yet here we are.
DrGunjah@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
spector@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
It wasn’t hard to foresee. We knew these kind of things could happen. The internet used to be very out spoken about it. That ethos is long gone. What’s equally disappointing is tech nerds selling out for bigger paychecks.
billiam0202@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That’s because the OG visionaries of tech are gone, and have been replaced by MBAs and techbros.
NutWrench@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I like the SearX search engine. It gives old-school, relevant search results, not Google ranked ones.
It’s also spread out over many separate instances, so you can pick the one that best suits your search needs:
sandbox@lemmy.world 6 months ago
We’re going to have a serious problem on our hands soon with compatibility. I’m a software dev and I’m already seeing a few issues here and there where Chrome is being treated as the default expected browser and features don’t work on Firefox.
Firefox doesn’t support a fair few Chrome features because of security and privacy reasons, such as WebHID, WebUSB, etc.
Devs, please stop using those features. I know it’s tempting, but they’re basically bribes to encourage you to sell out to Google. Don’t do it.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
We’re going to have a serious problem on our hands soon with compatibility. I’m a software dev and I’m already seeing a few issues here and there where Chrome is being treated as the default expected browser and features don’t work on Firefox.
It’s basically IE6 and ActiveX all over again.
Randelung@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Teams calls for example :( I have chromium on my Debian only for teams.
Frays6142@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Teams works in Firefox, I sadly have to use it almost every day interacting with clients who use teams for comms.
pumpkinseedoil@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I’m using Firefox as my only browser. If everything works in Firefox that’s fine for me.
That’s the best advantage of only making websites / web applications for fun (for friend groups, video games, family etc)
sandbox@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yeah, but that’s my point, not everything works in Firefox now and my prediction is that if we continue on our current course Firefox will either have to compromise their commitment to privacy and security or will become more and more unusable.
altec@midwest.social 6 months ago
I just don’t use services that don’t work with Firefox. Easy.
SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Yep. There are plenty of other ways to do something that don’t require selling out.
spookedintownsville@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Most “Chrome-only” web applications I have to use I can get around just by changing my user agent string and everything works fine. I try not to use that stuff when I can, though.
sandbox@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Some of the older stuff is indeed that way, but there are more and more features which Firefox can’t support. Web-based custom keyboard configuration tools, tools to flash phone firmware, and one niche MiniDisc tool all are chrome-only things I’ve had to open Chrome to use
linearchaos@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Google’s working on fixing that for you right now. That’s more people switch to Firefox and there’s futures don’t work they’ll start complaining to the developers and then to Firefox. Microsoft road the it only works in IE train for a long time and it eventually buried them
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I don’t understand seemingly intelligent people who still blindly use chrome at this point…
thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
For those of us who work in (or love) tech - we (myself included) grossly overestimate how much the general public cares about, or cares to be informed about, this stuff. Heck, even people in tech who know better.
I wish it wasn’t the case but look how long and hard Microsoft moved on Internet Explorer and ActiveX back in the early days of the web.
Google and Chrome is just another bit of history repeating.
As an aside, I’ve been using Zen for about a week and it’s been wonderful. Easy transition from Firefox because it largely is Firefox, so anll my containers, extensions, annd settings carried over. Zen’s workspaces provide exactly the promise I’d hoped “tab groups” brought with Safari (but never worked right). I just wish there was an equivalent to the Hush plug-in on Safari (even after a year of full-timing FF, consent-o-matic is quite poor).
Orygin@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Yeah I work in tech and I’m the only one that cares enough to use Firefox. All my colleagues use chrome or chrome with makeup.
Maybe ad blocking will be what broke the camel’s back, but I doubt more than a few will care enough to switch.
FinalRemix@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I kinda have to at work. Our classroom computers reset between classes and Chrome is the only browser installed. I might ask IT about that, moving forward, given uBlock getting neutered soon.
alphabethunter@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I have a similar issue at my school as well. Chrome is the only allowed browser, and each of us have to use our own school email as our login session in chrome, so we get that much of user space, and that actually works quite decently. I had ublock installed on my user account so far, but if it breaks, I’ll just have to suffer. Although, the real problem is that the school I work in uses some digital books that only work 100% in Chrome, and all show some form of weird behaviour in non-chromiun based browsers. And there’s a 0 chance they are changing it.
stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
It’s not about intelligence it’s about what keeps you up at night. Most people aren’t bothered by cookies and ads, somehow.
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
this is something i cannot understand. my brain would fking die from the seizures the modern, ad infested web induces.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Most people are stupid, myopic imbeciles that arent bothered by anything until it personally affects them.
Then they’ll howl like wolves at the moon about the great injustice of it all, and how could anyone allow this to happen.
cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You’d be amazed at what seemingly intelligent people will do or say or believe.
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I know people who I thought brilliant until they said they were voting for trump. Way to shatter my opinion of you, jagoff.
Stern@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m only using it atm for extensions that are, ironically enough, blocked on Firefox… Though thats only one website in particular.
sirico@feddit.uk 6 months ago
Waiting for Mozilla to shoot their own foot again
ikidd@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Make sure to shit on them every fucking time anyone says the name “Mozilla”, that’ll help us not have anything except Chrome in a couple years.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s fine, there are open source projects underway. If any one of them gains traction, it could happen to Mozilla what happened to Unity with Godot. Here’s to hoping they get their act straight sooner tan later.
VitaminH@midwest.social 6 months ago
Didn’t they just announce recently that they were going to work more with advertisers? blog.mozilla.org/…/improving-online-advertising/
GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 6 months ago
How to improve online advertising: Step 1: remove all online advertising
Live_Let_Live@lemmy.world 6 months ago
People completely misunderstand this feature (which is only a temporary prototype anyways), and I think that’s entirely Mozilla’s fault. They do a really poor job explaining it.
Usually ad networks implement sophisticated tracking, which works in a highly invasive way. They need the telemetry to watch their campaigns. Firefox now offers the option to collect a minimal amount of data for them and inform the network indirectly.
This is a good thing for the end user. The trackers are not needed, you gain privacy. Disabling the option makes it so you’re instantly tracked MORE.
Mozilla shouldn’t have staged this as an opt-out of the new system. You actually OPT-IN to networks running their old scripts on your machine to collect your telemetry:
[ ] Allow ad networks to run their own telemetry
(Beta functionality, some advertisers may still run their own trackers, even when this option is disabled.)
That would be the same thing, but communicate what it’s doing.
The fact that advertisers like Meta might be on board with this should be exciting to people. That they are even considering giving up so much data and now only receive a single number of impressions per campaign is very unexpected.
Also, none of this matters if you block ads anyways. If you don’t load the ad, neither the networks script runs its telemetry, nor does Firefox increase the counter for the campaign id.
If you’re wondering what’s every involved party’s gain in this, an interesting read is the IPA white paper, where the overall design targets for the system are stated: Interoperable Private Attribution (IPA), 2022
In particular:
In designing IPA, we set out to find a win-win-win solution for cross platform attribution measurement that met our goals across privacy, utility, and competition.
• Privacy: data collected about the user is minimized, protecting the end-users privacy. • Utility: the telemetry process is unified and simplified across all platforms, reducing the costs • Competition: it will be an open, standardized system, accessible to everyone
Just to be clear, I dislike the way Mozilla rolled this out. They already have a “Studies” checkmark that people can enable if they wish to participate in stuff like this. That Mozilla treats this prototype differently is actually not ok, and breaks trust with their users. But as far as I’m concerned, this is a completely separate topic from the update content, which I wish to be successful.
ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
They just did, they are gonna work more with advertisers.
stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
again?
PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Before chrome became massively popular, Firefox was very popular. ie was still the most used browser back then
bokherif@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Man fuck google
USSEthernet@startrek.website 6 months ago
When is this happening? I’ve been telling my wife and kid that they need to stop using chrome for a year, but ublock is still working for them and blocking YouTube ads. They are the type that won’t switch until it becomes a problem for them.
LWD@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I think that’s the point: Google has been shutting down Manifest V2 extensions one step at a time, and it’s been experimenting with anti-ad-block tech on YouTube with one user group at a time.
Harvey656@lemmy.world 6 months ago
While this will drive some users to Firefox, we all know it won’t be enough. Too many people simple don’t know, or don’t care, it won’t affect their lives in any meaningful way, or so they will believe. Google will be harming the tech illiterate and normies (sorry for the slur) because money, bullshit, and to drive the stake deeper into the monopoly. If you have older family members using chrome, sit them down and explain to them the dangers of the internet without adblock.
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It gets me thinking. Tech literate people are the types to install blockers, and would be the same type of people both motivated and knowledgeable about how to switch browsers. On the line of thinking it seems like it is just going to drive them away from Chrome. Tech illiterate people remain unaffected since they are getting ads anyway.
But then on the other hand, if someone is tech literate then why are they even still using Chrome? Does such a person value whatever advantage Chrome theoretically provides over their ad-blocking?
shneancy@lemmy.world 6 months ago
as a chromium browser user - i’ve been meaning to switch to firefox, and i know it’ll take me maybe a day, but it feels like so much workkkk. In a similar fashion i’ve been meaning to switch to Linux for ages too. I guess it just hasn’t gotten bad enough for me to take action
as long as my adblockers & script blockers work, i’m not forced to upgrade to win11, and win10 still has security updates i don’t think it’s pushing on my discomfort buttons strong enough. I know the day will come, but like with a lot of things in my life - why do something today when i can do it tomorrow?
forgotaboutlaye@lemmy.world 6 months ago
If you have older family members, you could try just installing Firefox for them and tell them it’s their internet now. This worked for me parents.
yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
Same
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Not for mine, they couldn’t make the switch even though everything was the same
portside@monyet.cc 6 months ago
I’ve fully switched to Firefox everywhere. The only thing I’m missing is a lightweight browser which is not based on chromium for my potato tablet. jQuarks viewer is a good one but can be dumb sometimes, it opens image instead of the link for eg.
MunkysUnkEnz0@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Not sure if they’re still round, but I used to use opera.
Acid2688@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Opera ditched their browser engine. They use chromium now.
AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
The lack of HVEC/h.265 support is kind of a deal breaker. I need it to view h.265 security cameras and the occasional movie streamed via browser.
ramble81@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Cool thing is you can run multiple browsers. So just use Chrome for your cameras and Firefox for everything else.
AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Why would I use multiple browsers if I can achieve nearly everything in one? I would my much rather use Edge or Safari for everything than Firefox plus another browser.
x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Use Chromium for the security cameras, and use something sensible for all your normal browsing usage?
AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
I guess, but the comment is a direct assertion against Firefox growing from this change. You sort of prove my point by suggestion another sub variant of the chrome ecosystem.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I find it funny how so many people are switching back to firefox but its been my default since I was like 10. I had crappy laptops when I was young and it was the only one that worked, it works amazingly for my modern computer.
Engywuck@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Browsers with in built adblocker or system wide AdGuard.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Doesn’t uBlock Origin already have a Manifest V3 version of the extension?
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Asafum@feddit.nl 6 months ago
Wasn’t there just an article about how Mozilla is claiming ublock origin shouldn’t be supported anymore and another one claiming they’re starting a focus on ads?
I feel like we’re entering a really shitty time for the Internet… Tie that in with Microsucks Recall feature and computing in general is going to suck…
I don’t want to go touch grass!!
wabafee@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s going to be internet explorer era again. I wonder which will replace chrome in the future.
LifeOfChance@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Firefox isn’t far behind now. They just announced ads are coming and they know their platform is used heavily with ad blocking extensions so they’ll cut it
RangerJosie@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Some? Some you say?
quant@leminal.space 6 months ago
If only banks and government websites moved their asses and stopped mentioning Internet Explorer for one more time…
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
Google has a browser now?
VantaBrandon@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The Fox has been re-promoted to my daily driver as of this year. Chrome still in play for work stuff & sites don’t have ads.
2pt_perversion@lemmy.world 6 months ago
~laughs in firefox~
hogmomma@lemmy.world 6 months ago
“Might.”
Mwa@lemm.ee 6 months ago
One of the reasons why I left chomium based browsersp
cley_faye@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Move, yeah. To Firefox… meh. The writing’s not on the wall yet, but we’re not going to ignore the very heavy signaling Mozilla has been doing for years now.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
suddenly 20 new chromium forks appear
Huh, where’d those come from, I wonder. 🤔
5dh@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
I’m wondering how Apple will handle this in Safari.
yamanii@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I fail to see the issue.
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I downloaded Librewolf today - the privacy oriented fork of Firefox!
Good to see there are browser variants that aren’t just Chrome.
Album@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
yep firefox with arkenfox for me, same deal as librewolf. And Mull on mobile.
Switched about 2-3 months ago thinking it might be difficult or impact me negatively or something but its been easy and great.
kitnaht@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You know the problem I have with Librewolf? – Fuckall nobody knows how to spell it.
The beauty of Firefox is that even the densest idiot knows how to spell those two words. And with attention spans the equivalent of a gnat, people need to have things simplified for them as much as humanly possible.
Fortunately enough, Firefox is about the only one with a renderer that isn’t controlled by Google, but - even now they’re shifting to a pro-advertising stance and backing off of the privacy orientation that they took just a year or two ago.
Kbobabob@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Until you actually need a chromium based browser. I get so annoyed when this happens.
LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Almost 20 years and I’ve never needed a Chromium browser for anything. I’m sorry you were forced to use such garbage ass software.
skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
In what situation do you need one?
I’ve been using Firefox for over a decade and have literally never once needed to open a different web browser. For anything, ever. This is a very common complaint that tons of people seem to have that I have never seen happen even once out in the wild.
Supervisor194@lemmy.world 6 months ago
As if installing and using something else means you can’t have Chrome lying around for that one stupid website.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world 6 months ago
There’s still Vivali which is Chromium based and still supporting V2 extension (like uBlock) until June 2025. Its not a full fix, but its a stay of execution. That said, I’m a FF primary user.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Chromium isn’t as problematic as Chrome.
nutsack@lemmy.world 6 months ago
constantly, to be honest
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’ve been using librewolf for a several months. Be careful because streaming doesn’t always work on it due to DRM features, and YouTube has been spotty AF. With YouTube it might start the video a couple seconds into it, buffer for no discernable reason, or just skip a few random seconds.
Fashim@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I use firefox but I have to change my useragent string to chrome with an extension to get YouTube working.
Might be worth having a look to see if it fixes your issues