Where is the raspberry pi at 30$??? it is more than that nowadays
It's honestly good advice, but I much prefer original hardware when possible.
Submitted 3 months ago by The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world to retrogaming@lemmy.world
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galloFino@lemmy.world 3 months ago
The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 3 months ago
They’re inflated right now, depending on where you buy them. I got one for MSRP (around 30 bucks) last year at my local electronics store, but I had to give them my info to deter scalping.
Telodzrum@lemmy.world 3 months ago
“Right now” for Pi inflation has been since like 2016. This is just their price now.
curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
An official raspberry pi isn’t worth gettin imo. Especially after their artificial availability issues during the pandemic.
Plenty of alternatives out there, which is what I’d recommend. OrangePi is much more reasonable price wise.
And if you don’t need arm, a used thin client will do the same job, cost a lot less, and have more compatibility.
turkalino@lemmy.yachts 3 months ago
Yeah I’m a huge Raspberry Pi fan but not only is it practically impossible to find a pi at that price, pi’s also can’t reliably emulate games past the 32 bit era
Slayan@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-3-model-b.html
Here ya go! You don’t need the last edition pi to use retro arch, enjoy.
c0smokram3r@midwest.social 3 months ago
Exactly what I was wondering!!!
TrousersMcPants@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yeah I basically got this exact advice and was surprised to realize they cost much more than that anymore.
_sideffect@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Get a mister.
It IS the original hardware; its an FPGA
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
It perfectly emulates the CPU, but it’s not the same as touching the actual hardware. For better or worse.
frezik@midwest.social 3 months ago
We can’t even say it perfectly emulates the CPU. It may pass all tests we know about, but even 1980s CPUs were complicated enough to have odd niche behavior.
It’s some great hardware, but I think a lot of people have been hoodwinked into thinking FPGA = perfect. Often some of the same people who turn their nose up at software emulation.
abfarid@startrek.website 3 months ago
It’s still emulation. Yes, it’s emulating hardware, as close as possible and often indistinguishably close, but it’s still emulation.
For example, my EDGB X7 runs fine on any real Game Boy I have, but can’t switch games on an Analogue Pocket.
Another weird issue that I had was that if I launched my Pokemon Crystal save on Pocket it would, for some reason, permanently change my character from a boy into a girl (without saving the game!). This wasn’t happening on my Game Boys (I restored the save a couple of times to test it).DarkMetatron@feddit.org 3 months ago
It is not emulation, it is hardware replication. And yes it is not always perfect. As with any replicated or cloned hardware it is just as good as the available information and the skill of the manufacturer.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 3 months ago
By its very nature, an FPGA is not original hardware.
An FPGA is hardware that is designed to be very similar to original hardware, but it does not actually use original hardware components, and because of this it can actually have bugs or inaccuracies that were never present in original hardware.
aidan@lemmy.world 3 months ago
An FPGA is hardware that is designed to be very similar to original hardware,
Well to be even more precise, its designed to be able to replicate most hardware of anything. Not designed for a specific device
Sabin10@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Not always, the mister would need more elements to do an actual 1:1 for many newer consoles and the cores are often reverse engineered best guesses and not replicating the original asic design.
proton_lynx@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Now this is the real solid advice
Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
What’s the benefit of it versus emulation?
DarkMetatron@feddit.org 3 months ago
It is FPGA based, due to this it can be configured on hardware level to exactly replicate the original hardware of the retro system. This and that it runs directly and not through some emulation layer and modern OS and stuff means that it gets as close as original as it can be, with zero lag and delay.
DarkMetatron@feddit.org 3 months ago
I barely touch my original hardware at all since I have my MiSTer it is just so good.
TORFdot0@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It’s also about as cheap to just buy the original consoles than a kitted out mister.
Although if you figure in AV switches, upscalers and everdrive carts, the price for convenience does swing back into the misters favor
LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org 3 months ago
The Neo-Geo would like a word
xyzzy@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Mister people are equally obnoxious about this
sirico@feddit.uk 3 months ago
As someone who owns most of the consoles, has Pvm etc don’t play the scalpers game just emulate. Thankfully the bubble has burst on a lot of markets, and we’re seeing more reasonable prices, but the OG hardware can only last so long. If anything grab a controller for each system you love, even saying that, 8bitdo have really stepped up, and I would say surpassed a lot of the old first party ones.
Belgdore@lemm.ee 3 months ago
It helps that emulators have caught up in the last ten years. When I started collecting consoles there wasn’t a good emulator for the Saturn and even emulating the snes on a mobile device with similar power to a pi was inaccurate at times.
I have less and less reason to want to use original hardware other than nostalgia.
The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 3 months ago
8bitdo is amazing
Eccitaze@yiffit.net 3 months ago
The used game market is still insane, I’m seeing $20-30 for even shit-tier, obscure, normally worthless nes games. If you bought the console while it was new it’s still worth keeping, but absolutely just get a flash cart instead of subjecting yourself to the price gouging retro market.
fernandu00@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
30 bucks?! Where?!
mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 3 months ago
To be fair the meme just says “Raspberry Pi”. Nothing about the four or five! 😂
fernandu00@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
O wouldn’t dream of buying a pi 5…a pi 3 is like a month’s salary in my country (damn shitty hole) so if you have a 3 selling by 30 dollars I’d try to buy.
Tuxman@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Honestly, I will emulate almost all consoles EXCEPT N64…. This little weird Frankenstein console barely holds by a thread so most emulators can’t recreate its flaws and quirks correctly (which, funnily enough, are needed to run games smoothly)
PS2 emulators on the other hand, are FREAKING awesome!!! :D Live upscaled Battlefront 2 is GREAT!!
can@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Still waiting for an N64 emulator that renders Bomber an 64menu properly
Bread@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
What about an FPGA for running the original game cartridges? Such as the Analogue 3D when that eventually releases. Quirks and all included as it becomes the N64. It even supports Bluetooth controllers too and 4k or CRTs.
DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
It’s usually the reverse in my experience. I love playing on original hardware when I have access, but some people get really anal when you emulate.
cambionn@feddit.nl 3 months ago
Agree. There’s just something special about doing it the original way. Booting up that old console just like in the past, no matter if I had it back then or not.
That being said, I don’t get the hate on emulation either. To each their own.
Redkey@programming.dev 3 months ago
There’s nothing wrong with wanting to stick to original hardware, if you already have it or can afford to buy it.
Setting up a Pi or other single-board system as a dedicated retro game emulator is also an absolutely valid choice IMO. It’s a fun, generally affordable little project that you can tinker with forever, e.g. changing cases and controllers, UI tweaks, ROM file organization, per-game settings optimization. But I don’t think that it’s ever been the “best” emulation option for anyone who didn’t already have their heart set on “doing something fun and interesting with a Pi”.
The smartphone you already have, dedicated retro gaming handhelds, Android TV boxes or sticks, and cheap/secondhand/already-owned PCs (desktop, notebook, or kiosk) all arguably match or exceed the performance and value-for-money of any Pi-based system.
Yet in any thread where someone new to emulation is asking for advice, there’s always a flock of folks who suggest getting a Pi like it’s the only game in town. It honestly baffles me a little. Especially because almost all of them are just running a pretty frontend over Retroarch, and Retroarch is available for virtually every modern consumer computing platform (and so are a lot of pretty frontends, if that’s a selling point).
For context, I’ve got a dozen or so retro systems, but I prefer to emulate as much as possible.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 3 months ago
Emulation is nice because it removes a lot of the friction between deciding I feel like playing a given game and actually playing it. Dealing with worn out controllers, dead parts, wonky connections just to squint at a fuzzy screen. I much prefer seeing it upscaled on my modern screen and grabbing whatever controller is convenient to play with
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Does anyone “prefer” emulation?
scoobford@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
Yes. Original hardware is a pain in the ass.
I want to play on my nice PC or steam deck, with save states, whatever gamepad I prefer, and an unlimited library.
hobbsc@lemmy.sdf.org 3 months ago
I do because I just don’t want all that stuff around. Save states are also a blessing for folks like me with endless skill issues.
Die4Ever@programming.dev 3 months ago
Sure. You can fix frame rate drops, play with any controller you want, easier to play with mods, save states, speedup when replaying a game, easier to record video or stream. If you’re playing a 3d game you can run in higher resolution with better anti aliasing. For a 2d game sometimes one of the upscaling filters will look good. You can use CRT filter if you want and you don’t have a CRT TV. You could do it on Steam Deck and cloud sync your saves with your PC.
bitwolf@lemmy.one 3 months ago
There’s even fun achievements via retro achievements!
rowdyrockets@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I do - but I don’t necessarily think it’s “better”.
masinko@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I actually do. Upscaling, fast forwarding, modding, cheats, save states are all nice QoLs. A lot of emulators for these retro consoles are pretty platform independent too, so I can run them from anything from a PC, a handheld device, phone, other gaming consoles or smart fridge with my choice of peripherals.
mrvictory1@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I do. I have Guitar Hero Warriors of Rock on PS3. Console has 300ms latency which is a dealbreaker while RPCS3 on laptop or even just Clone Hero has much lower latency. If you have multiple consoles, emulation can bring all your consoles into one. I also have H.A.W.X 2 which drops frames on PS3, maybe emulated could run better. I want to freely approach frigates from low altitude without factoring in FPS drop when I blow them up :)
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
This is a CD vs FLAC discussion.
MeDuViNoX@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
That’s really cool and I’m glad people want to maintain the heritage of gaming, but I’m the exact opposite. I never want to play on old hardware or even use old style controllers again if I don’t have to.
nek0d3r@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I have a friend like this, I’m a Nintendo collector and enjoying the hardware is my hobby. I know it’s an expensive endeavor, and I don’t expect anyone else to do it. I genuinely think any game should be up for piracy and emulation support, and it’s incredible what can be done to make games look, sound, and play better than the original. But when I’m sitting there having fun with Metroid Fusion on my GBA SP and you sit there going “why would you ever do that when emulating is cheaper and better” I don’t think you’re conversing in good faith.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world 3 months ago
There’s something relaxing about swapping carts on a SNES.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I never liked ROMs on my computer, but I have a modded SNES Mini that feels legit enough for me.
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
I feel like its the opposite, people keep talking about how original hardware is “better” despite old consoles and games being so expensive a proper collection is basically a luxury.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 3 months ago
I never really cared until I emulated Super Mario RPG and literally could not make a specific jump in Booster’s Castle because of the frame skipping.
SRo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
FPGA master race!
callouscomic@lemm.ee 3 months ago
How well does it emulate Metal Gear Solid 4?
Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 3 months ago
This is like people who insist building your own PC is easy.
No. It’s not.
It is if you know everything about it sure, but that applies to most things.
I don’t care about your raspberry Pi that I have to house, program, etc. I just wanna pop in a game and have it work. Easy peasy
RagingRobot@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I have a nice collection of old games but I also have a nice collection of emulators and devices to run them on lol
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 3 months ago
A controller that looks like an old SNES with a PS2 form factor is all the retro authenticity I need
Toneswirly@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Aren’t they kinda of hard to get a hold of still? During the pandemic they were going for 100$ and up
sanpedropeddler@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
My only real problem with emulation is that I haven’t found a good way to connect my pc to a crt. I’ve been wanting to play oot randomizers on a proper display but I’m not willing to buy an everdrive at the moment.
OmnislashIsACloudApp@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I setup and love retropie, but I will say that I was surprised at how many emulation issues I had even on some PS1 games. mostly it was framerate or processing issues, tried same emulator on my laptop with no problem.
raspberry pi is very affordable but it was surprising to me that the hardware specs were a limiter given how much of an increase they were over the ps1
directive0@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I love old consoles… but old media (carts, cds/dvds) not so much. Flashcarts have been a revelation for me.
Way more fun than an everything emulator where you spend most of your time setting it up and then deciding which game of all the games ever created ever you feel like playing right now.
saltesc@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It’s why I’ve used a GameCube controller on the Wii, WiiU, and Switch—coincidentally I adore the Switch Pro controller on PC. And yet, a friend of mine thinks I’m crazy and still rocks the N64 controller.
Some things just fuse into you and you get more dopamine from the “thing” than the thing playing on it.
Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
I’d understand if it was about the controllers since the games were made to work specifically with them, but choosing to pay several hundred dollars instead of juste using something that cost less than 50 and got far better UI and features is something i’ll Never understand. Tho, It would make sense if you had that console as a child and getting the real one make you feel nostalgic.
specialseaweed@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Something about the wire on a NES controller that makes it feel right.
ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Can it emulate Crysis?
GraniteM@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’ve got an Anbernic 353p and I LOVE it for handheld, but trying to use it as a console has proven tricky. I just want a device that I can plug into my TV and play games on with a minimum of tinkering. I shouldn’t need to remap controllers every time I turn the thing on. I don’t care to follow along with a three+ hour long tutorial to get all the settingsjust right. Plug into TV. Turn on. Play game.
This is where original hardware, or even those SNES Mini or Playstation Classic devices have appeal, because they aren’t tinkering hobby devices, they’re game systems first, last, and only. Everything above and beyond that should be very optional.
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Steam Deck is the best emulation machine out there right now for me.
MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’ve been thinking about getting the new pixel fold or the Samsung z flip. When you open them to tablet mode they’re a big square screen. When you clip on a controller it looks like a sick retro gaming handheld because of the screen ratio.
youtu.be/giPJ8bjCxN4?si=Mv8-68Dh8_ID9Ct0
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 3 months ago
That’s a $2000 gaming setup! ($1900 for z fold, $100 for gamesir controller.)
I think I’ll just get a Powkiddy RGB30 with a square screen for $80.
Exusia@lemmy.world 3 months ago
You linked a Fold not a Flip. The difference is nearly $1000.
That said the Fold is a solid choice but if you’re only going to play games, save a couple bucks and don’t get a 6. The improvements have been so incremental that you could get a 3 and be fine. The 4 is just an improved 3. The 5 is just an improved 4 really, but now it closes completely. The 6 has a much brighter screen, but otherwise also is just a minor improvement on the 5. The differences between each generation have been so incremental lol
denshirenji@lemmy.world 3 months ago
This is similar to what I do. I have an old pixel 3xl and a Sunshine server running on my gaming PC. Moonlight is installed on the Pixel and I stream my games to it from the PC. I have a WireGuard VPN setup for when I am outside the house. It works very well!
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 3 months ago
I worked for a phone manufacturer that makes foldable for a while. I really got the strong feeling that those foldable displays make them extremely sensitive to any drops or abuse that a traditional chocolate bar would easily survive. And I’ve heard similar feedback from early adopters as well
iheartneopets@lemm.ee 3 months ago
I have a surface duo 2 right now, and had the Motorola razor (rip the iconic chin design they ditched with the new models) before that. Emulating the ds on a flip phone is goated
smeg@feddit.uk 3 months ago
I’m glad clip-on controllers exist now, I remember reading about them when using my Xperia Play a decade ago!
anivia@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
Too clunky. Modded Nintendo Switch is more portable and has better battery life
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Will respectfully disagree. My steam deck can do way more than a Switch!